Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[BlacJacMac]

What if suns miss playoffs this yr and Booker requests a trade? Would you guys offer Edwards if the Suns ask for him? I'd do Edwards+McDaniels+salary filler for Booker and Mikal Bridges. Then trade Gobert for Ben Simmons.

Dlo
Booker
Bridges
Simmons
Towns

Absolutely not.

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What if suns miss playoffs this yr and Booker requests a trade? Would you guys offer Edwards if the Suns ask for him? I'd do Edwards+McDaniels+salary filler for Booker and Mikal Bridges. Then trade Gobert for Ben Simmons.

Dlo
Booker
Bridges
Simmons
Towns

Ok, Gobert for Simmons is a non-starter. For teams like MIN that aren’t free agent destinations, the three players you cannot trade for are Simmons, Harden and Kyrie. Each of them has not just forced his way off contending teams, but was willing to miss games to do it. Gobert wants to be here, and he’s locked up.

Edwards for Booker is interesting at least. For reference, Booker was #11 in the Trade Board Poll, and Ant was #16. This might be fair - Booker is the already the actualized shooter we hope Ant can become, though Ant’s ceiling in other areas surpasses him. Booker is also locked up on a longterm deal, likes KAT and DLo, and doesn’t make waves. He is the type of player we could invest in, without a lot of worry he’d immediately walk. We might even get a discount, if MIN is on his very short list.

In the end though, I think I’d stick with Ant. He is the most entertaining player the Wolves have put out there since Garnett, and the fans love him. With Ant’s body and desire to learn, he could become a true superstar. He’s a bigger gamble, because passing Booker is a very high bar, but it’s a gamble I’d want to take. The cheaper salary and inclusion of McDaniels further make me lean towards Ant.

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I really like what I saw when Ant was running point.

I think surrounding him with talent that fits him would be the best move.

I would trade DLo for Ball and Caruso.

Then in the off-season trade KAT for wings and depth. I'd resign Reid.

I would try to do a 3way trade with Portland and San Antonio.

MIN Out: KAT
MIN In: Sochan, Keldon Johnson, Josh Hart, 2026 Blazers UFP, 2028 Swap

Por in: KAT
POR out: Nurkic, Hart, Sharpe, 2024&2026 UFP, 2025&2028 swap picks

Spurs out - Sochan, Johnson
Spurs in - Nurkic, Sharpe, 2024 UFP, 2025 swap


Edwards/ Caruso / Ball
McDaniels / Hart
Sochan /Keldon Johnson
Anderson / Prince
Gobert/Reid/Garza

Our starting 4 not including Gobert could switch onto any defender.

Johnson off the bench would be an amazing scorer, Caruso, Hart, Prince could support him well. Reid and Garza would be centers we swap in depending on the situation.

Why do you have Sochan in the starting lineup and McDaniels at SG?

Like the trades tho.

Kinda a wild toss in the ring but basically the thought process was, McDaniels can guard their best player, Sochan is almost as good if not better. Ant gets the 3rd best player. Would be enough switching space between the three that Kyle could guard the worst player and Gobert could roam the paint.

Sochan also seems like Kyle on offense, and that's seems like a lot of high BBIQ in the starting lineup. Plus he plays the pick and roll well.

Johnson would be our sixth man, and everyone else is a hustler. Reid would go in to get buckets pretty quick and generate more offense. Garza for locking **** down.

[thinktank]

I really like what I saw when Ant was running point.

I think surrounding him with talent that fits him would be the best move.

I would trade DLo for Ball and Caruso.

Then in the off-season trade KAT for wings and depth. I'd resign Reid.

I would try to do a 3way trade with Portland and San Antonio.

MIN Out: KAT
MIN In: Sochan, Keldon Johnson, Josh Hart, 2026 Blazers UFP, 2028 Swap

Por in: KAT
POR out: Nurkic, Hart, Sharpe, 2024&2026 UFP, 2025&2028 swap picks

Spurs out - Sochan, Johnson
Spurs in - Nurkic, Sharpe, 2024 UFP, 2025 swap


Edwards/ Caruso / Ball
McDaniels / Hart
Sochan /Keldon Johnson
Anderson / Prince
Gobert/Reid/Garza

Our starting 4 not including Gobert could switch onto any defender.

Johnson off the bench would be an amazing scorer, Caruso, Hart, Prince could support him well. Reid and Garza would be centers we swap in depending on the situation.

Why do you have Sochan in the starting lineup and McDaniels at SG?

Like the trades tho.

Kinda a wild toss in the ring but basically the thought process was, McDaniels can guard their best player, Sochan is almost as good if not better. Ant gets the 3rd best player. Would be enough switching space between the three that Kyle could guard the worst player and Gobert could roam the paint.

Sochan also seems like Kyle on offense, and that's seems like a lot of high BBIQ in the starting lineup. Plus he plays the pick and roll well.

Johnson would be our sixth man, and everyone else is a hustler. Reid would go in to get buckets pretty quick and generate more offense. Garza for locking **** down.

I think there’s zero chance you get Keldon and Sochan from SA. Therefore, to me, the whole idea is moot.

[Note30]

Why do you have Sochan in the starting lineup and McDaniels at SG?

Like the trades tho.

Kinda a wild toss in the ring but basically the thought process was, McDaniels can guard their best player, Sochan is almost as good if not better. Ant gets the 3rd best player. Would be enough switching space between the three that Kyle could guard the worst player and Gobert could roam the paint.

Sochan also seems like Kyle on offense, and that's seems like a lot of high BBIQ in the starting lineup. Plus he plays the pick and roll well.

Johnson would be our sixth man, and everyone else is a hustler. Reid would go in to get buckets pretty quick and generate more offense. Garza for locking **** down.

I think there’s zero chance you get Keldon and Sochan from SA. Therefore, to me, the whole idea is moot.

Someone said something similar when I offered DLo for Murray last year and was trading away 2 picks and a swap. Murray went for 3 picks and a swap for an expiring. Not too far off in value.

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Powell/Covington for Russell, who says no? (EDIT: I might not, I may be confusing Powell with someone else?)

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Powell/Covington for Russell, who says no? (EDIT: I might not, I may be confusing Powell with someone else?)

I used to confuse Norm Powell (from TOR and POR) with Dwight Powell in DAL?

LAC might be a decent destination with the right sized pieces

Covington (32) looks pretty washed, and is owed $11.7 mil next year.
Marcus Morris (33) seems ok at $17.1 mil next year, but he’s starting for the Clippers
Norm Powell (29) will get paid $57 mil over the next three years.
Reggie Jackson (32) seems ok on an $11.2 mil expiring, but they start him too.
Luke Kennard (26) I like, $15.4 next year and a $15.4 team option.
Nic Batum (34), $11.7 mil next year, might make Gobert happy.

So yeah, there are pieces but they are almost all older, and it’s often questionable that they would even be better than someone you could find in the draft, and they all seem to be a little overpaid. It would be nice to maintain DLo’s salary slot and splitting it into smaller pieces that are easier to salary match in trade, but expirings on overpriced deals are worth less than nothing at all.

[thinktank]

Kinda a wild toss in the ring but basically the thought process was, McDaniels can guard their best player, Sochan is almost as good if not better. Ant gets the 3rd best player. Would be enough switching space between the three that Kyle could guard the worst player and Gobert could roam the paint.

Sochan also seems like Kyle on offense, and that's seems like a lot of high BBIQ in the starting lineup. Plus he plays the pick and roll well.

Johnson would be our sixth man, and everyone else is a hustler. Reid would go in to get buckets pretty quick and generate more offense. Garza for locking **** down.

I think there’s zero chance you get Keldon and Sochan from SA. Therefore, to me, the whole idea is moot.

Someone said something similar when I offered DLo for Murray last year and was trading away 2 picks and a swap. Murray went for 3 picks and a swap for an expiring. Not too far off in value.

We have no picks so you’re two or three picks off.

[moss_is_1]

LAC might be a decent destination with the right sized pieces

Covington (32) looks pretty washed, and is owed $11.7 mil next year.
Marcus Morris (33) seems ok at $17.1 mil next year, but he’s starting for the Clippers
Norm Powell (29) will get paid $57 mil over the next three years.
Reggie Jackson (32) seems ok on an $11.2 mil expiring, but they start him too.
Luke Kennard (26) I like, $15.4 next year and a $15.4 team option.
Nic Batum (34), $11.7 mil next year, might make Gobert happy.

Powell and Kennard make sense, we could really use someone like Powell who can be a gunner off the bench with Nowell flopping. Kennard is interesting since he's such a good shooter, while also being able to handle the ball some. I wouldn't be thrilled about either option but not bad.

[shangrila]

How about DLo, Nowell and Forbes for Covington, Powell and Wall?

It's roughly salary neutral and gives us a solid bench scorer in Powell, a good vibes vet in Cov and what should be a good fit at PG for the Finch offence in Wall. For them, if that line of thinking is true, they get a "PG" while potentially replacing Powell with a younger version.

[shrink]

LAC might be a decent destination with the right sized pieces

Covington (32) looks pretty washed, and is owed $11.7 mil next year.
Marcus Morris (33) seems ok at $17.1 mil next year, but he’s starting for the Clippers
Norm Powell (29) will get paid $57 mil over the next three years.
Reggie Jackson (32) seems ok on an $11.2 mil expiring, but they start him too.
Luke Kennard (26) I like, $15.4 next year and a $15.4 team option.
Nic Batum (34), $11.7 mil next year, might make Gobert happy.

Powell and Kennard make sense, we could really use someone like Powell who can be a gunner off the bench with Nowell flopping. Kennard is interesting since he's such a good shooter, while also being able to handle the ball some. I wouldn't be thrilled about either option but not bad.

If we paired one with the expiring Reggie Jackson, it would allow us to use our MLE next season. Powell is better, but his extra years could hurt us when Ant and McDaniels get new deals in 18 months, so Kennard’s team option probably fits better.

EDIT: On further review, this adds $6 mil in payroll which LAC would have to either pay even more lux taxes on, or included John Wall. Wall’s two year deal doesn’t make much sense to us. Conicentally, Kennard + Powell is almost the exact salary as DLo, and if we also sent Jaylin Nowell, an additional $2 mil would’t add too much lux. But LAC seems to like Powell, so this may wouldn’t work either.

[Note30]

I think there’s zero chance you get Keldon and Sochan from SA. Therefore, to me, the whole idea is moot.

Someone said something similar when I offered DLo for Murray last year and was trading away 2 picks and a swap. Murray went for 3 picks and a swap for an expiring. Not too far off in value.

We have no picks so you’re two or three picks off.

That's why the Blazers are conveying picks...

[Note30]

How about DLo, Nowell and Forbes for Covington, Powell and Wall?

It's roughly salary neutral and gives us a solid bench scorer in Powell, a good vibes vet in Cov and what should be a good fit at PG for the Finch offence in Wall. For them, if that line of thinking is true, they get a "PG" while potentially replacing Powell with a younger version.

Is Norman Powell going to be that cheap tho? I like it a lot, but that usually means a catch. I'd want to grab Batum over Covington if we could.

[shangrila]

How about DLo, Nowell and Forbes for Covington, Powell and Wall?

It's roughly salary neutral and gives us a solid bench scorer in Powell, a good vibes vet in Cov and what should be a good fit at PG for the Finch offence in Wall. For them, if that line of thinking is true, they get a "PG" while potentially replacing Powell with a younger version.

Is Norman Powell going to be that cheap tho? I like it a lot, but that usually means a catch. I'd want to grab Batum over Covington if we could.

Depends on their thoughts on DLo I guess.

Although if this is cheap for Powell there's no way we're getting Batum.

[Guidus88]

DLo, Nowell for Fultz, Ross?

I’ve looked at that, and it’s probably fair value.

However, it really needs a third team in there to drive it, because both ORL players probably have more value elsewhere. Some young team probably wouldn’t mind gambling on Fultz’ upside, and he’s looked a little better. Ross is a helpful NBA vet, but we need minutes for SloMo and Prince.

what about Jalen Suggs? I don't know his availability (magic has Fultz and Anthony at pg) and for sure asking price will be higher but I think that he could turn into a lite Marcus Smart.

I haven't watch a lot of magic games but I read that he is a pg can play both on and off the ball and that his defense is good (read a magic article last summer). Needs a lot of work on his outside shooting but also Smart had some issues with shooting early in his carreer.
He is even from Minnesota and same timeline as Ant..

[minimus]

DLo, Nowell for Fultz, Ross?

I’ve looked at that, and it’s probably fair value.

However, it really needs a third team in there to drive it, because both ORL players probably have more value elsewhere. Some young team probably wouldn’t mind gambling on Fultz’ upside, and he’s looked a little better. Ross is a helpful NBA vet, but we need minutes for SloMo and Prince.

what about Jalen Suggs? I don't know his availability (magic has Fultz and Anthony at pg) and for sure asking price will be higher but I think that he could turn into a lite Marcus Smart.

I haven't watch a lot of magic games but I read that he is a pg can play both on and off the ball and that his defense is good (read a magic article last summer). Needs a lot of work on his outside shooting but also Smart had some issues with shooting early in his carreer.
He is even from Minnesota and same timeline as Ant..

Nowell, Knight, Forbes, 2nd round pick for Suggs?

[Guidus88]

I’ve looked at that, and it’s probably fair value.

However, it really needs a third team in there to drive it, because both ORL players probably have more value elsewhere. Some young team probably wouldn’t mind gambling on Fultz’ upside, and he’s looked a little better. Ross is a helpful NBA vet, but we need minutes for SloMo and Prince.

what about Jalen Suggs? I don't know his availability (magic has Fultz and Anthony at pg) and for sure asking price will be higher but I think that he could turn into a lite Marcus Smart.

I haven't watch a lot of magic games but I read that he is a pg can play both on and off the ball and that his defense is good (read a magic article last summer). Needs a lot of work on his outside shooting but also Smart had some issues with shooting early in his carreer.
He is even from Minnesota and same timeline as Ant..

Nowell, Knight, Forbes, 2nd round pick for Suggs?

wow if price would be so low I would pull the trigger in a heart beat!

[BlacJacMac]

I’ve looked at that, and it’s probably fair value.

However, it really needs a third team in there to drive it, because both ORL players probably have more value elsewhere. Some young team probably wouldn’t mind gambling on Fultz’ upside, and he’s looked a little better. Ross is a helpful NBA vet, but we need minutes for SloMo and Prince.

what about Jalen Suggs? I don't know his availability (magic has Fultz and Anthony at pg) and for sure asking price will be higher but I think that he could turn into a lite Marcus Smart.

I haven't watch a lot of magic games but I read that he is a pg can play both on and off the ball and that his defense is good (read a magic article last summer). Needs a lot of work on his outside shooting but also Smart had some issues with shooting early in his carreer.
He is even from Minnesota and same timeline as Ant..

Nowell, Knight, Forbes, 2nd round pick for Suggs?

That's really selling low.

Suggs hasn't exactly set the world on fire, but he's only 65 games played (injuries have killed him as well) removed from being the #5 pick.

3 borderline rotation players and a late pick? I'd have to think someone would easily beat that offer.

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What do you guys think about Dallas as a landing spot for Russell?

The knock on him is that he can't really carry the franchise. shrink kept pointing out how Brooklyn kept giving Dinwiddie and LeVert the ball over Russell as a wart in his game, but I think we've been noticing especially lately that doing so seems to help Russell. Well being next to Doncic, he wouldn't have to worry about doing too much. Expiring contract could help them going into the offseason, raising their interest in the deal as they always fancy themselves as a destination franchise.

There are a few high-priced options to lead a possible return package. My most likely would be Dinwiddie...yes, Dallas using his contract exactly how they got him originally. Potentially Josh Green as an asset involved as well.