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[Klomp]

I don't really see the Simmons fit in Cleveland, beyond the fact that they could use star talent like Simmons somewhere on the roster. And he would constantly be compared in the media/by fans to LeBron imo. Not great for him. I do think they would be a good third team for us to work with. They would be interested in young players and picks package, and I think Sexton could satisfy what the Sixers are looking for more than a lot of guys talked about could.

Just one example of a three-teamer with Cleveland:

MIN Out: Beasley, McDaniels, Prince, picks
MIN In: Simmons

CLE Out: Sexton, Osman
CLE In: Beasley, McDaniels, picks

PHI Out: Simmons
PHI In: Sexton, Osman, Prince

Still gotta figure out how to get Philly a little more value, the Prince restriction and me not wanting to deal Beverley is making it difficult in this particular three-way configuration. Could swap out Osman for Rubio but also want to do right by Ricky. Fourth team? Rubio for Dragic?

[jpatrick]

I don't really see the Simmons fit in Cleveland, beyond the fact that they could use star talent like Simmons somewhere on the roster. And he would constantly be compared in the media/by fans to LeBron imo. Not great for him. I do think they would be a good third team for us to work with. They would be interested in young players and picks package, and I think Sexton could satisfy what the Sixers are looking for more than a lot of guys talked about could.

Just one example of a three-teamer with Cleveland:

MIN Out: Beasley, McDaniels, Prince, picks
MIN In: Simmons

CLE Out: Sexton, Osman
CLE In: Beasley, McDaniels, picks

PHI Out: Simmons
PHI In: Sexton, Osman, Prince

Still gotta figure out how to get Philly a little more value, the Prince restriction and me not wanting to deal Beverley is making it difficult in this particular three-way configuration. Could swap out Osman for Rubio but also want to do right by Ricky. Fourth team? Rubio for Dragic?

Maybe I’m crazy, but I don’t think it’ll take that much to get Sexton. I don’t think Cleveland is going to pay him in RFA, so he’s probably gone after this season for almost nothing (like Lonzo and New Orleans).

I think McDaniels plus salary filler would be enough (and not even that much filler). Maybe one pick.

The question is whether he’s someone Philly would even want. Because he’s essentially a 6’1” shooting guard that doesn’t defend, he’s a terrible fit with Maxey and Curry.

[SO_MONEY]

I don't really see the Simmons fit in Cleveland, beyond the fact that they could use star talent like Simmons somewhere on the roster. And he would constantly be compared in the media/by fans to LeBron imo. Not great for him. I do think they would be a good third team for us to work with. They would be interested in young players and picks package, and I think Sexton could satisfy what the Sixers are looking for more than a lot of guys talked about could.

Just one example of a three-teamer with Cleveland:

MIN Out: Beasley, McDaniels, Prince, picks
MIN In: Simmons

CLE Out: Sexton, Osman
CLE In: Beasley, McDaniels, picks

PHI Out: Simmons
PHI In: Sexton, Osman, Prince

Still gotta figure out how to get Philly a little more value, the Prince restriction and me not wanting to deal Beverley is making it difficult in this particular three-way configuration. Could swap out Osman for Rubio but also want to do right by Ricky. Fourth team? Rubio for Dragic?

Sexton isn't getting that. Especially with a negative asset attached.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Who scores points for Cleveland if they get rid of either Love/Sexton or both assuming one of them would be traded?

[Krapinsky]

Who scores points for Cleveland if they get rid of either Love/Sexton or both assuming one of them would be traded?

Garland and Markannen can fill the hoop. Allen and/or Mobley could also develop into leading scorers.

I think Cleveland would have to include a lot of draft capitol. Sexton has been shopped all summer, but no one wants to pay him. He fits in that Reggie Jackson mold of point guards that can put up empty stats on teams.

[mplsfonz23]

I don't really see the Simmons fit in Cleveland, beyond the fact that they could use star talent like Simmons somewhere on the roster. And he would constantly be compared in the media/by fans to LeBron imo. Not great for him. I do think they would be a good third team for us to work with. They would be interested in young players and picks package, and I think Sexton could satisfy what the Sixers are looking for more than a lot of guys talked about could.

Just one example of a three-teamer with Cleveland:

MIN Out: Beasley, McDaniels, Prince, picks
MIN In: Simmons

CLE Out: Sexton, Osman
CLE In: Beasley, McDaniels, picks

PHI Out: Simmons
PHI In: Sexton, Osman, Prince

Still gotta figure out how to get Philly a little more value, the Prince restriction and me not wanting to deal Beverley is making it difficult in this particular three-way configuration. Could swap out Osman for Rubio but also want to do right by Ricky. Fourth team? Rubio for Dragic?

Sorry Klomp,
But SCREW Clev and SCREW Philly.
Mac is a no go for me. Why stock up either team? Beas, Prince plus maybe...maybe a pick. Why even deal with Cleveland? They have nothing we want, and are trying to get out of overpaying for a busted pick in Sexton. Philly NEEDS to unload Simmons. We dont NEED him at the expense of our core.
Hope Rosas plays hardball, and we get him at fair value. If he goes elsewhere....Meh.

[SO_MONEY]

I don't really see the Simmons fit in Cleveland, beyond the fact that they could use star talent like Simmons somewhere on the roster. And he would constantly be compared in the media/by fans to LeBron imo. Not great for him. I do think they would be a good third team for us to work with. They would be interested in young players and picks package, and I think Sexton could satisfy what the Sixers are looking for more than a lot of guys talked about could.

Just one example of a three-teamer with Cleveland:

MIN Out: Beasley, McDaniels, Prince, picks
MIN In: Simmons

CLE Out: Sexton, Osman
CLE In: Beasley, McDaniels, picks

PHI Out: Simmons
PHI In: Sexton, Osman, Prince

Still gotta figure out how to get Philly a little more value, the Prince restriction and me not wanting to deal Beverley is making it difficult in this particular three-way configuration. Could swap out Osman for Rubio but also want to do right by Ricky. Fourth team? Rubio for Dragic?

Sorry Klomp,
But SCREW Clev and SCREW Philly.
Mac is a no go for me. Why stock up either team? Beas, Prince plus maybe...maybe a pick. Why even deal with Cleveland? They have nothing we want, and are trying to get out of overpaying for a busted pick in Sexton. Philly NEEDS to unload Simmons. We dont NEED him at the expense of our core.
Hope Rosas plays hardball, and we get him at fair value. If he goes elsewhere....Meh.

I think our interest in Simmons is directly tied to us having a starting lineup of DLo, ANT, McDaniels, Simmons, KAT. I think our interest would be significantly reduced if we were not walking away with that. I think we are willing to part with some ancillary parts like Beasley, Naz, Bolmaro, filler and a pick or picks. I think it is important to us to be able to pivot and build around ANT if needed and recoup value to do that. I think.

[jpatrick]

Just one example of a three-teamer with Cleveland:

MIN Out: Beasley, McDaniels, Prince, picks
MIN In: Simmons

CLE Out: Sexton, Osman
CLE In: Beasley, McDaniels, picks

PHI Out: Simmons
PHI In: Sexton, Osman, Prince

Still gotta figure out how to get Philly a little more value, the Prince restriction and me not wanting to deal Beverley is making it difficult in this particular three-way configuration. Could swap out Osman for Rubio but also want to do right by Ricky. Fourth team? Rubio for Dragic?

Sorry Klomp,
But SCREW Clev and SCREW Philly.
Mac is a no go for me. Why stock up either team? Beas, Prince plus maybe...maybe a pick. Why even deal with Cleveland? They have nothing we want, and are trying to get out of overpaying for a busted pick in Sexton. Philly NEEDS to unload Simmons. We dont NEED him at the expense of our core.
Hope Rosas plays hardball, and we get him at fair value. If he goes elsewhere....Meh.

I think our interest in Simmons is directly tied to us having a starting lineup of DLo, ANT, McDaniels, Simmons, KAT. I think our interest would be significantly reduced if we were not walking away with that. I think we are willing to part with some ancillary parts like Beasley, Naz, Bolmaro, filler and a pick or picks. I think it is important to us to be able to pivot and build around ANT if needed and recoup value to do that. I think.

I hope you’re right. That starting five is a great mix of talents: just enough shooting, passing, scoring, and defense.

[Klomp]

There's a push and pull in every negotiation. Fans are certainly hoping for that outcome, the front office may hope for it too, but that doesn't mean it's enough to get a deal done. And depending on how much they want a deal done, someone will have to bend a little. Maybe it's the Sixers, maybe it's us.

[Domejandro]

“Maybe” a pick added to Malik Beasley and Taurean Prince for Ben Simmons isn’t getting it done. Being honest, that just isn’t a reasonable offer in any way. Philadelphia has zero incentive to lower their ceiling by accepting a pretty “meh” package.

[SO_MONEY]

“Maybe” a pick added to Malik Beasley and Taurean Prince for Ben Simmons isn’t getting it done. Being honest, that just isn’t a reasonable offer in any way. Philadelphia has zero incentive to lower their ceiling by accepting a pretty “meh” package.

I don't know what Philly will do at this point, they can probably do better than Beasley and a pick, just not sure how much better. But I do expect the package to be pretty "meh" or limited in the end, that is the market. It isn't going to be a superstar package and likely will result in clear a step back in talent unless we are talking a CJ or Siakam swap type of deal.

[jpatrick]

“Maybe” a pick added to Malik Beasley and Taurean Prince for Ben Simmons isn’t getting it done. Being honest, that just isn’t a reasonable offer in any way. Philadelphia has zero incentive to lower their ceiling by accepting a pretty “meh” package.

I think it won’t be a pick, it’ll be multiple picks with little-to-no protection. Unprotected Wolves picks are gold in this league. Worth more than most young players being discussed.

If we make a deal, I think it’ll end up being Beasley, Prince or Beverly, McDaniels or Bolmaro, and 2-3 picks with little-to-no protection (maybe top 2-3 or so). It’ll hurt but I would do it. I believe that core can be a top six seed in the West this year and over the next few years become a contender if Ant pops.

[KGdaBom]

He's either going to be Paul George or RoCo

Odds are very strong that he's not nearly as good as either.

You are most likely always wrong so he will be good.

Yeah we all want McDaniels to be great myself included. Chances of that are very slim. He can't handle the ball so George is out of the question. He has a good blocked shot rate, but looking at him becoming an all NBA first team defender is a stretch. He's too skinny and will be abused by larger players. Hope I'm wrong unless we trade him then I hope I'm right.

[KGdaBom]

Odds are very strong that he's not nearly as good as either.

You are most likely always wrong so he will be good.

Jaden can def be as good as RoCo...Paul George is super underrated because he was a borderline superstar before his crazy injury and he worked his way back to still being a star

Sure he can, but will he be. RoCo all NBA first team defender. You really see that for skinny boy? You give it 100% chance? 50%? How about 10% chance. That's reasonable.

[KGdaBom]

“Maybe” a pick added to Malik Beasley and Taurean Prince for Ben Simmons isn’t getting it done. Being honest, that just isn’t a reasonable offer in any way. Philadelphia has zero incentive to lower their ceiling by accepting a pretty “meh” package.

I think it won’t be a pick, it’ll be multiple picks with little-to-no protection. Unprotected Wolves picks are gold in this league. Worth more than most young players being discussed.

If we make a deal, I think it’ll end up being Beasley, Prince or Beverly, McDaniels or Bolmaro, and 2-3 picks with little-to-no protection (maybe top 2-3 or so). It’ll hurt but I would do it. I believe that core can be a top six seed in the West this year and over the next few years become a contender if Ant pops.

You got it about right. No way would I approve of three very lightly protected FRPs along with Beas, Bev and McD, but maybe Rosas would. Two is probably right.

[Klomp]

Sure he can, but will he be. RoCo all NBA first team defender. You really see that for skinny boy? You give it 100% chance? 50%? How about 10% chance. That's reasonable.

Covington was that one time four seasons (and three franchises) ago. It's not a yearly thing for him.

[jpatrick]

You are most likely always wrong so he will be good.

Jaden can def be as good as RoCo...Paul George is super underrated because he was a borderline superstar before his crazy injury and he worked his way back to still being a star

Sure he can, but will he be. RoCo all NBA first team defender. You really see that for skinny boy? You give it 100% chance? 50%? How about 10% chance. That's reasonable.

He’s young but the George comparison is not likely. The creation and handle just have SOOO far to go. You could see that at summer league where he got ripped or nearly ripped on several one-on-one possessions. Evidencing this, the Dunc On podcast, in their review, said that McDaniels had 11 “initiator” possessions during summer league, which resulted in a total of four points. That’s pretty horrific especially considering this is only summer league.

I do think he can become RoCo good though. Is it 100%? Absolutely not.

[KGdaBom]

Sure he can, but will he be. RoCo all NBA first team defender. You really see that for skinny boy? You give it 100% chance? 50%? How about 10% chance. That's reasonable.

Covington was that one time four seasons (and three franchises) ago. It's not a yearly thing for him.

First team maybe once. Wasn't he an all nba defender on one of the top 3 teams multiple times. Regardless I give McDaniels' chance of making first team all nba defender once in his career no more than a 10% chance.

[jpatrick]

Was just listening to the Pro Basketball Talk podcast and they had the Cavs best guy on. I can’t see anyone trading for Sexton. He’s looking for a near max deal. If you trade real assets for him, you’re backed into a corner. Can’t let him walk for nothing after moving assets. And I really don’t think the 76ers or anyone wants to pay him close to 30m per year.