Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[shangrila]

What do you guys think about Dallas as a landing spot for Russell?

The knock on him is that he can't really carry the franchise. shrink kept pointing out how Brooklyn kept giving Dinwiddie and LeVert the ball over Russell as a wart in his game, but I think we've been noticing especially lately that doing so seems to help Russell. Well being next to Doncic, he wouldn't have to worry about doing too much. Expiring contract could help them going into the offseason, raising their interest in the deal as they always fancy themselves as a destination franchise.

There are a few high-priced options to lead a possible return package. My most likely would be Dinwiddie...yes, Dallas using his contract exactly how they got him originally. Potentially Josh Green as an asset involved as well.

Just posted a deal with Dallas on the trade board and the consensus is there's not much value is clearing space this offseason as the FA class isn't strong.

They'd really need to like DLo to move off good pieces like Dinwiddie though.

[moss_is_1]

LAC might be a decent destination with the right sized pieces

Covington (32) looks pretty washed, and is owed $11.7 mil next year.
Marcus Morris (33) seems ok at $17.1 mil next year, but he’s starting for the Clippers
Norm Powell (29) will get paid $57 mil over the next three years.
Reggie Jackson (32) seems ok on an $11.2 mil expiring, but they start him too.
Luke Kennard (26) I like, $15.4 next year and a $15.4 team option.
Nic Batum (34), $11.7 mil next year, might make Gobert happy.

Powell and Kennard make sense, we could really use someone like Powell who can be a gunner off the bench with Nowell flopping. Kennard is interesting since he's such a good shooter, while also being able to handle the ball some. I wouldn't be thrilled about either option but not bad.

If we paired one with the expiring Reggie Jackson, it would allow us to use our MLE next season. Powell is better, but his extra years could hurt us when Ant and McDaniels get new deals in 18 months, so Kennard’s team option probably fits better.

EDIT: On further review, this adds $6 mil in payroll which LAC would have to either pay even more lux taxes on, or included John Wall. Wall’s two year deal doesn’t make much sense to us. Conicentally, Kennard + Powell is almost the exact salary as DLo, and if we also sent Jaylin Nowell, an additional $2 mil would’t add too much lux. But LAC seems to like Powell, so this may wouldn’t work either.

I wonder if the Bulls would have any desire to take Jackson or Kennard, and be willing to ship out Caruso(as well as someone like Derrick white for salary). I'd love to get Powells shooting and add Carusos defense and rebounding to the team in place of Dlo. Gladly would attach Nowell and Forbes.

[shrink]

What do you guys think about Dallas as a landing spot for Russell?

The knock on him is that he can't really carry the franchise. shrink kept pointing out how Brooklyn kept giving Dinwiddie and LeVert the ball over Russell as a wart in his game, but I think we've been noticing especially lately that doing so seems to help Russell. Well being next to Doncic, he wouldn't have to worry about doing too much. Expiring contract could help them going into the offseason, raising their interest in the deal as they always fancy themselves as a destination franchise.

There are a few high-priced options to lead a possible return package. My most likely would be Dinwiddie...yes, Dallas using his contract exactly how they got him originally. Potentially Josh Green as an asset involved as well.

Just posted a deal with Dallas on the trade board and the consensus is there's not much value is clearing space this offseason as the FA class isn't strong.

It’s unfortunate, but fans are fans, and can often only see savings if they can spend the owners money on something they like better.

I’ve reach the point that I generally don’t even argue with them anymore. I do know that if an owner doesn’t have to write million dollar checks to an overpriced player, that has value. And value besides just increasing your team’s financial flexibility.

I don’t think DAL is a bad target. The main goal of any DAL trade should be to help Luka. DLo can help with the additional scoring and ball handling load that fell on his shoulders when they lost Jalen Brunson for nothing.

[shrink]

What do you guys think about Dallas as a landing spot for Russell?

The knock on him is that he can't reallyE carry the franchise. shrink kept pointing out how Brooklyn kept giving Dinwiddie and LeVert the ball over Russell as a wart in his game, but I think we've been noticing especially lately that doing so seems to help Russell.

My point was about FGA’s. BRK wanted LeVert to be there main scorer, and gave him all the shots. When LeVert got hurt, they promoted Dinwiddie off the bench to be lead scorer, and when he also got hurt, they were forced to make DLo the main scorer.

When we look at DLo’s FGA’s in his All Star season, we see that he is very up and down, but he is certainly getting more FGA’s later. In his first 20 games, he looks like he gets a healthy 16 a game, with a couple 22. When the other two went down, DLo regularly was putting up 25 a games, and even trickled into the 30’s on a few occasions.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/russeda01/gamelog/2019

I do agree with your larger point though. DLo seems to be a better shooter with the ball in someone else’s hands, and I think he could help Luka and/or Dinwiddie as a complimentary scorer.

[DarkXaero]

How would you guys feel about Naz Reid, Taurean Prince for Seth Curry, Kessler Edwards, and a 2nd round pick?

Wolves get to address their shooting woes, add a young potential 3&D wing, and get a 2nd round pick for it. Nets add a backup big that they need and Prince is added for salary matching.

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[shangrila]

How would you guys feel about Naz Reid, Taurean Prince for Seth Curry, Kessler Edwards, and a 2nd round pick?

Wolves get to address their shooting woes, add a young potential 3&D wing, and get a 2nd round pick for it. Nets add a backup big that they need and Prince is added for salary matching.

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The value feels a little off but I doubt we'd do it anyway.

It might sound weird but Prince's intangibles might make him near untouchable. I don't think it's a coincidence that we began this run basically when he came back. So while he's not untouchable per se I'd imagine it'd cost more to get him than a team would be interested in giving up. And similar for Anderson, if you were thinking of subbing SloMo in for matching purposes.

[wolves_89]

How would you guys feel about Naz Reid, Taurean Prince for Seth Curry, Kessler Edwards, and a 2nd round pick?

Wolves get to address their shooting woes, add a young potential 3&D wing, and get a 2nd round pick for it. Nets add a backup big that they need and Prince is added for salary matching.

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I can't imagine the Wolves would have any interest. I see no chance that Minnesota would move Prince for Curry and Reid for Edwards doesn't help the team even a little bit.

[shangrila]

What do you guys think about Dallas as a landing spot for Russell?

The knock on him is that he can't really carry the franchise. shrink kept pointing out how Brooklyn kept giving Dinwiddie and LeVert the ball over Russell as a wart in his game, but I think we've been noticing especially lately that doing so seems to help Russell. Well being next to Doncic, he wouldn't have to worry about doing too much. Expiring contract could help them going into the offseason, raising their interest in the deal as they always fancy themselves as a destination franchise.

There are a few high-priced options to lead a possible return package. My most likely would be Dinwiddie...yes, Dallas using his contract exactly how they got him originally. Potentially Josh Green as an asset involved as well.

Just posted a deal with Dallas on the trade board and the consensus is there's not much value is clearing space this offseason as the FA class isn't strong.

It’s unfortunate, but fans are fans, and can often only see savings if they can spend the owners money on something they like better.

I’ve reach the point that I generally don’t even argue with them anymore. I do know that if an owner doesn’t have to write million dollar checks to an overpriced player, that has value. And value besides just increasing your team’s financial flexibility.

I don’t think DAL is a bad target. The main goal of any DAL trade should be to help Luka. DLo can help with the additional scoring and ball handling load that fell on his shoulders when they lost Jalen Brunson for nothing.

I'd argue Dinwiddie isn't overpriced. Neither is THJ. Further, if you place any value on DLo as a player then the fact he's a FA means you'll have to pay him anyway. So even if, conservatively, he signs a contract for 20mil per then you're looking at a net negative next season. Unless the combined salaries of what you're sending out is less than the new contract of course but I haven't seen any offers from us at least that starts with Dinwiddie/THJ + Bertans.

I think the main problem with Dallas is they cannot take a step back. Any move perceived as such could upset Luka and they can't afford that. So dumping players for salary savings would not be a good look.

[shrink]

I think the main problem with Dallas is they cannot take a step back. Any move perceived as such could upset Luka and they can't afford that. So dumping players for salary savings would not be a good look.

Agree. This is when I start looking for a third team, that wants the savings, but the piece they have to send out fits DAL better than MIN, like a good two year center.

[wolves_89]

Further, if you place any value on DLo as a player then the fact he's a FA means you'll have to pay him anyway. So even if, conservatively, he signs a contract for 20mil per then you're looking at a net negative next season.

I think DLO at $20M/year is at worst a neutral contract with a decent chance of being a bit positive in value. The problem with DLO is to get him to agree to a contract that is way below a max contract.

[DarkXaero]

How would you guys feel about Naz Reid, Taurean Prince for Seth Curry, Kessler Edwards, and a 2nd round pick?

Wolves get to address their shooting woes, add a young potential 3&D wing, and get a 2nd round pick for it. Nets add a backup big that they need and Prince is added for salary matching.

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The value feels a little off but I doubt we'd do it anyway.

It might sound weird but Prince's intangibles might make him near untouchable. I don't think it's a coincidence that we began this run basically when he came back. So while he's not untouchable per se I'd imagine it'd cost more to get him than a team would be interested in giving up. And similar for Anderson, if you were thinking of subbing SloMo in for matching purposes.

It's odd to see fans talk favorably about Prince's intangibles, because us Nets fans almost unanimously disliked Prince here

But yeah, he's more thrown in there for salary matching than anything else. I'm not sure if Wolves have any other options of salary matching then.

[Klomp]

Naz Reid for Jalen McDaniels

While both are upcoming UFAs, both could use the last months of the season to prove their worth to their new franchise. Charlotte hasn't necessarily resolved their issues at C, while Minnesota could use another SF/PF swingman.

[shrink]

Naz Reid for Jalen McDaniels

While both are upcoming UFAs, both could use the last months of the season to prove their worth to their new franchise. Charlotte hasn't necessarily resolved their issues at C, while Minnesota could use another SF/PF swingman.

I like the concept, but a few thoughts.

1. PHX is looking at Jalen McDaniels too - possible three-way

2. While re-signing Jalen is risky, the fact that he may want to play with his brother might increase our chances. I feel we have no chance with Naz, because we lack opportunity to advance his career.

3. Anything that makes Jaden want to stay here is a good investment. If we trade for Jalen, we cannot lowball him this summer.

4. A trade for Jalen makes it possible for us to trade Prince (tho that hurts), if we can’t divide DLo into smaller matching salaries.

5. I agree with your assessment of CHA, having a dreadful center rotation behind the expiring Miles, and I have tried sending Naz there for the opportunity. However, CHA fans aren’t trying to win anyway, and have invested good picks in several young center prospects, so they tell me they aren’t interested in Naz.

I always complicate everything, don’t I?

[shrink]

MIN GETS Jalen McDaniels for Naz Reid
BRK GETS: Naz Reid for Kessler Edwards + 2025 MIA 2nd
CHA GETS: Kessler Edwards + 2025 MIA 2nd for Jalen McDaniels

Brooklyn gets their back up center, rebuilding CHA gets an extra year on a SF project and a future 2nd?

[Mamba4Goat]

MIN GETS Jalen McDaniels for Naz Reid
BRK GETS: Naz Reid for Kessler Edwards + 2025 MIA 2nd
CHA GETS: Kessler Edwards + 2025 MIA 2nd for Jalen McDaniels

Brooklyn gets their back up center, rebuilding CHA gets an extra year on a SF project and a future 2nd?

I think Brooklyn would need to add.

I’ve thought about testing out an idea of Naz+?=Sharpe (Brooklyn’s Sharpe, not Portland’s) but that’s always felt optimistic. As is though I’d probably prefer Naz to Jalen all things considered. But I’m a lot higher on the idea of Minoot stepping in sooner rather than later compared to most.

[shrink]

MIN GETS Jalen McDaniels for Naz Reid
BRK GETS: Naz Reid for Kessler Edwards + 2025 MIA 2nd
CHA GETS: Kessler Edwards + 2025 MIA 2nd for Jalen McDaniels

Brooklyn gets their back up center, rebuilding CHA gets an extra year on a SF project and a future 2nd?

I think Brooklyn would need to add.

I’ve thought about testing out an idea of Naz+?=Sharpe (Brooklyn’s Sharpe, not Portland’s) but that’s always felt optimistic. As is though I’d probably prefer Naz to Jalen all things considered. But I’m a lot higher on the idea of Minoot stepping in sooner rather than later compared to most.

I was over on the CHA board, and many were already saying, “if we can’t get a 1st, we’ll just sign him in free agency.”

If a player is so valuable that his half season rental (plus rfa matching rights) is worth a 1st, you can’t simultaneously assume that in free agency, the most any team will offer him is just $10 mil, and you’ll just match a reasonable offer. This is especially true next summer, with not much talent in free agency and a lot of buyers. Keeping Jalen’s rights, or any RFA, are likely to simply give a team the right to match an expensive offer from one of the other 29 teams.

If you want him to keep him, offer him an extension. If you can’t reach a number and you’re on the fence, good luck in free agency when everyone is allowed to make him offers. I’d get something in trade for the development you put in - even small progress that might help down the line. His production the rest of the season doesn’t have much value to a tanking team, so right now, he’s more valuable to others than to you.

Rentals just aren’t that valuable. Same goes for Naz, though he has shown way way more than Jalen.

EDIT: I just realized Jalen was a UFA, so he doesn’t even come with the right to match an offer. He’s intriguing but we don’t need him right now anyway, so why waste an asset? If we want to make an offer this summer, we can do so then.

[shrink]

Btw, can you even imagine the number of times I’d type in the wrong name if we had Jaylen Nowell, Jalen McDaniels, Jaden McDaniels, and Jordan MacLaughlin?

[Domejandro]

Really don't get the excitement to make the team worse by trading D'Angelo Russell for absolute garbage.

I am the guy that concocted the elite take about distribution and guard-play problems five games into the season, but at some point you have to take a step back and consider if making the team substantially worse this season just to preserve a salary slot (that is a garbage-tier expiring) is worthwhile.

I think Minnesota just rolls forward with the team as-is, barring a Naz Reid or (hopefully) Jaylen Nowell trade.

[minimus]

Based on this tweet, I'd get Tre Jones

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Nowell, Reid, Forbes for Tre Jones, Langford

Gobert/Towns + Garza
Towns/Anderson/Knight + Minott
MCD/TP/Moore + Ryan
Edwards/Rivers/Langford
DLo/JMac/Jones

[thinktank]

Really don't get the excitement to make the team worse by trading D'Angelo Russell for absolute garbage.

I am the guy that concocted the elite take about distribution and guard-play problems five games into the season, but at some point you have to take a step back and consider if making the team substantially worse this season just to preserve a salary slot (that is a garbage-tier expiring) is worthwhile.

I think Minnesota just rolls forward with the team as-is, barring a Naz Reid or (hopefully) Jaylen Nowell trade.

I’m leaning this way also.