Trade Talk (Part 14): 2023-24 Edition

[minimus]

shouldn't be hard to find a guy to average 1.8ppg and 0.7apg in 8mpg on 40% from the floor and 25% from 3

Well, it is more realistic than dreaming of Tyus making hometown discount to play for organisation that once did not want to keep him.

[winforlose]

If we are serious about a title run, we will acquire a starting caliber PG/ComboGuard… if Conley goes down we are ****ed

Was thinking a bit about GSW and the Curry window. He is already 35 and turning 36 in March. If any team could use a win now player and trade a young stud to get there it would be GSW. This is a number of moves and might sound nuts but,

GSW out: Podz, Kuminga, and a 2nd,
GSW in: Kyle Anderson

Wizards out: Tyus Jones
Wizards in: Shake Milton, Kuminga, GSW 2nd

Wolves out: Kyle Anderson, Shake Milton,
Wolves in: Podz and Tyus Jones

This might take our second as well.

This move adds over 3.3 million which forces more moves.

Next move is WMJ into cap space, (Could go to Washington if they want him, or else to literally anyone who does for basically nothing (maybe a distant 2nd if we can swing it.

That still doesn’t fix the cap so the next move is TBJ out for a vet Minimum PF, or send out JMAC for cap space and a pick. If I did the math right that should save just enough to convert both Nix and Garza.

1st line is Conley, Ant, MCD, KAT, Rudy
2nd line Tyus, Podz, NAW, Miller/Vet, Naz
3rd line, JMAC, Minott, Miller/Vet, Garza

If we keep TBJ


1st line is Conley, Ant, MCD, KAT, Rudy
2nd line Tyus, Podz, NAW, Miller, Naz
3rd line, Nix, Minott, TBJ, Garza

I would love to get Podz and Tyus for Kyle and Shake. I don't give that a snowballs chance in hell of happening.

My problem with Kyle is the fit, he actually fits perfectly into the Draymond role for GSW. Plus, I wonder if Kyle’s offense might come back in a better system. As for Kuminga, I have him as salary filler, he is having a disappointing year. TOs are higher than ASTs. His 3 point shot is sub 30%, and his game doesn’t seem to have improved significantly 1/3 of the way into the season. Pick a different money match player if you think Kuminga is too good. Though Kyle probably takes his spot. Podz is promising but still very young and very limited in sample size. By himself he won’t return an all star, and GSW doesn’t have much to add to him without subtracting from the Curry window.

End of the day I think you are overvaluing Kuminga and Podz in the current market, undervaluing the fit for Anderson in GSW, and might be right about not getting Tyus (depends on the market.)

[shangrila]

shouldn't be hard to find a guy to average 1.8ppg and 0.7apg in 8mpg on 40% from the floor and 25% from 3

Well, it is more realistic than dreaming of Tyus making hometown discount to play for organisation that once did not want to keep him.

Ok? Not sure what that has to do with anything.

[winforlose]

shouldn't be hard to find a guy to average 1.8ppg and 0.7apg in 8mpg on 40% from the floor and 25% from 3

Well, it is more realistic than dreaming of Tyus making hometown discount to play for organisation that once did not want to keep him.

At the time we didn’t have the money. He got offered double. Now we are offering to go deep into the tax because we want him as the starter of the future. At the time we weren’t elite, now we are. If you are Tyus and you knew that Ant, Jaden, Naz, and more were gonna be contending for the next 5 years, you wouldn’t want to be a part of that?

[Neeva]

we might need to shift focus from high potential raw players to disciplined, mature players with limited talent

I'd rather have Miller than Camara.

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Meh miller was in foul trouble and we know how trash refs can be even Jaden struggled with foul trouble early on.

[minimus]

shouldn't be hard to find a guy to average 1.8ppg and 0.7apg in 8mpg on 40% from the floor and 25% from 3

Well, it is more realistic than dreaming of Tyus making hometown discount to play for organisation that once did not want to keep him.

At the time we didn’t have the money. He got offered double. Now we are offering to go deep into the tax because we want him as the starter of the future. At the time we weren’t elite, now we are. If you are Tyus and you knew that Ant, Jaden, Naz, and more were gonna be contending for the next 5 years, you wouldn’t want to be a part of that?

Correct me if I am wrong but:

first, Thibs did not even bothered to start contract extension talks with Tyus, meanwhile Muhammad was offered 40/4?
second, Tyus was seeking 24/3 extension with MIN which would not push us into tax (he wanted to play here), but Rosas did not offer it?

[KGdaBom]

we might need to shift focus from high potential raw players to disciplined, mature players with limited talent

I'd rather have Miller than Camara.

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I'd still rather have Miller.

[KGdaBom]

Was thinking a bit about GSW and the Curry window. He is already 35 and turning 36 in March. If any team could use a win now player and trade a young stud to get there it would be GSW. This is a number of moves and might sound nuts but,

GSW out: Podz, Kuminga, and a 2nd,
GSW in: Kyle Anderson

Wizards out: Tyus Jones
Wizards in: Shake Milton, Kuminga, GSW 2nd

Wolves out: Kyle Anderson, Shake Milton,
Wolves in: Podz and Tyus Jones

This might take our second as well.

This move adds over 3.3 million which forces more moves.

Next move is WMJ into cap space, (Could go to Washington if they want him, or else to literally anyone who does for basically nothing (maybe a distant 2nd if we can swing it.

That still doesn’t fix the cap so the next move is TBJ out for a vet Minimum PF, or send out JMAC for cap space and a pick. If I did the math right that should save just enough to convert both Nix and Garza.

1st line is Conley, Ant, MCD, KAT, Rudy
2nd line Tyus, Podz, NAW, Miller/Vet, Naz
3rd line, JMAC, Minott, Miller/Vet, Garza

If we keep TBJ


1st line is Conley, Ant, MCD, KAT, Rudy
2nd line Tyus, Podz, NAW, Miller, Naz
3rd line, Nix, Minott, TBJ, Garza

I would love to get Podz and Tyus for Kyle and Shake. I don't give that a snowballs chance in hell of happening.

My problem with Kyle is the fit, he actually fits perfectly into the Draymond role for GSW. Plus, I wonder if Kyle’s offense might come back in a better system. As for Kuminga, I have him as salary filler, he is having a disappointing year. TOs are higher than ASTs. His 3 point shot is sub 30%, and his game doesn’t seem to have improved significantly 1/3 of the way into the season. Pick a different money match player if you think Kuminga is too good. Though Kyle probably takes his spot. Podz is promising but still very young and very limited in sample size. By himself he won’t return an all star, and GSW doesn’t have much to add to him without subtracting from the Curry window.

End of the day I think you are overvaluing Kuminga and Podz in the current market, undervaluing the fit for Anderson in GSW, and might be right about not getting Tyus (depends on the market.)

I don't value Kuminga at all. Wouldn't take him if he was offered to us for free.

[younggunsmn]

we might need to shift focus from high potential raw players to disciplined, mature players with limited talent

I'd rather have Miller than Camara.

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Wow that is disappointing and hard to watch from Miller.
I hope that game is an aberration, he's not going to sniff a rotation with that effort, foul trouble or not.

[younggunsmn]

Let's pretend Arod and Lore tomorrow said screw the luxury tax and future ramifications lets trade for a player that puts us over the edge for a championship this season. If that is the case, do you think we would aim higher than a player like Tyus and who would that be? I'm talking legit player that they may even add Naz's contract to match the size of the contract coming back.

If we are serious about a title run, we will acquire a starting caliber PG/ComboGuard… if Conley goes down we are ****ed

Was thinking a bit about GSW and the Curry window. He is already 35 and turning 36 in March. If any team could use a win now player and trade a young stud to get there it would be GSW. This is a number of moves and might sound nuts but,

GSW out: Podz, Kuminga, and a 2nd,
GSW in: Kyle Anderson

Wizards out: Tyus Jones
Wizards in: Shake Milton, Kuminga, GSW 2nd

Wolves out: Kyle Anderson, Shake Milton,
Wolves in: Podz and Tyus Jones

This might take our second as well.

This move adds over 3.3 million which forces more moves.

Next move is WMJ into cap space, (Could go to Washington if they want him, or else to literally anyone who does for basically nothing (maybe a distant 2nd if we can swing it.

That still doesn’t fix the cap so the next move is TBJ out for a vet Minimum PF, or send out JMAC for cap space and a pick. If I did the math right that should save just enough to convert both Nix and Garza.

1st line is Conley, Ant, MCD, KAT, Rudy
2nd line Tyus, Podz, NAW, Miller/Vet, Naz
3rd line, JMAC, Minott, Miller/Vet, Garza

If we keep TBJ


1st line is Conley, Ant, MCD, KAT, Rudy
2nd line Tyus, Podz, NAW, Miller, Naz
3rd line, Nix, Minott, TBJ, Garza

There is no way the Dubs give up Podz for a slo-mo rental.
A late 1st in the 1st year of a rookie deal that appears to be working out is a coveted asset with their tax situation.

There is a small chance they would value slo-mo more than Kuminga, but I don't think Kyle's shooting is at all playable on the Warriors right now.

Take Podz out and it's in the realm of a possibility, but I think the other 2 teams pass.

[winforlose]

Well, it is more realistic than dreaming of Tyus making hometown discount to play for organisation that once did not want to keep him.

At the time we didn’t have the money. He got offered double. Now we are offering to go deep into the tax because we want him as the starter of the future. At the time we weren’t elite, now we are. If you are Tyus and you knew that Ant, Jaden, Naz, and more were gonna be contending for the next 5 years, you wouldn’t want to be a part of that?

Correct me if I am wrong but:

first, Thibs did not even bothered to start contract extension talks with Tyus, meanwhile Muhammad was offered 40/4?
second, Tyus was seeking 24/3 extension with MIN which would not push us into tax (he wanted to play here), but Rosas did not offer it?

I wasn’t following the team as closely then so I don’t know about the rumored offers. In 18-19 we had just dumped the General for Roco, and Dario. To say we were behind schedule was an understatement. We ended up trading away most of the team in 19-20. Also Rosas was brand new and was probably given marching orders not to go into the tax without a playoff team, which with Standrew Wiggins, Gorgui, and some other weak spots wasn’t going to happen. The one thing I remember around that time regarding Tyus was someone telling me the Griz paid double what the Wolves offered him.

All of the above being true, there are new owners, a new POBO, a new head coach, outside of KAT, there is not a single guy that Tyus played with in Minnesota (though he did play with Kyle in Memphis I believe.) Any grudge Tyus had with the Wolves should be dead by now. Meanwhile I gotta believe he grew up a wolves fan.

[KGdaBom]

we might need to shift focus from high potential raw players to disciplined, mature players with limited talent

I'd rather have Miller than Camara.

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Wow that is disappointing and hard to watch from Miller.
I hope that game is an aberration, he's not going to sniff a rotation with that effort, foul trouble or not.

That game is an aberration. He's going to more than sniff an NBA rotation before his career is over.

[winforlose]

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Wow that is disappointing and hard to watch from Miller.
I hope that game is an aberration, he's not going to sniff a rotation with that effort, foul trouble or not.

That game is an aberration. He's going to more than sniff an NBA rotation before his career is over.

Take a players best 3 and worst 3 games and toss them. Good and bad nights are very real and distort the averages.

[Domejandro]

Wow that is disappointing and hard to watch from Miller.
I hope that game is an aberration, he's not going to sniff a rotation with that effort, foul trouble or not.

That game is an aberration. He's going to more than sniff an NBA rotation before his career is over.

Really not sure how anyone can confidently call this an aberration or not, we have absolutely no idea.

[winforlose]

Wow that is disappointing and hard to watch from Miller.
I hope that game is an aberration, he's not going to sniff a rotation with that effort, foul trouble or not.

That game is an aberration. He's going to more than sniff an NBA rotation before his career is over.

Really not sure how anyone can confidently call this an aberration or not, we have absolutely no idea.

Statistically anomalous. Best and worst games are not good representations of a players usual performance.

[KGdaBom]

Wow that is disappointing and hard to watch from Miller.
I hope that game is an aberration, he's not going to sniff a rotation with that effort, foul trouble or not.

That game is an aberration. He's going to more than sniff an NBA rotation before his career is over.

Really not sure how anyone can confidently call this an aberration or not, we have absolutely no idea.

From what I've seen of Miller in person at SL he seldom if ever dogs it. He was high energy and effort. Stat wise from G league so far he seldom seems to dog it. I'm going from what I've experienced so far and I'm willing to call it an aberration.

[Domejandro]

That game is an aberration. He's going to more than sniff an NBA rotation before his career is over.

Really not sure how anyone can confidently call this an aberration or not, we have absolutely no idea.

From what I've seen of Miller in person at SL he seldom if ever dogs it. He was high energy and effort. Stat wise from G league so far he seldom seems to dog it. I'm going from what I've experienced so far and I'm willing to call it an aberration.

Fair enough, I'll trust your judgement and hope it doesn't happen in the future!

[younggunsmn]

Wow that is disappointing and hard to watch from Miller.
I hope that game is an aberration, he's not going to sniff a rotation with that effort, foul trouble or not.

That game is an aberration. He's going to more than sniff an NBA rotation before his career is over.

Really not sure how anyone can confidently call this an aberration or not, we have absolutely no idea.

We don't have much of a track record to go by on Miller, on film or by stats.
But that tape is a very, very bad look, and he did fall a fair amount in the draft.

We all have high hopes for him and I hope the coaching staff can address this and it never happens again.
It's not fun being down 20 points in an empty gym in the G-League, but every player in the NBA works extremely hard to be there.
Those who don't, usually don't last very long.

[shrink]

I’ve never been a fan, but I suppose with the TOR trade, it’s time to talk Dennis Schröeder.

Schröeder’s deal is $12.4/$13.0, so it could be workable in a trade with Anderson + Shake, and maybe Anderson + Brown Jr. His second year insures that we aren’t left without ANY point guard on the roster next year and no way to get one if we can’t bring back Conley, but that salary could put us over the second apron.

Schröeder gives me chemistry concerns. He’d definitely come off the bench behind Conley this year which he’d hate, and if he couldn’t feed Anthony Davis, I think he’d struggle to feed Gobert. He’s 30, but like many tiny PG’s we could trade for, I think that in the playoffs he would be relentlessly hunted on switches - something we don’t worry about with SloMo. He’s averaging 14.6 PPG with 36% 3P, so he could help our bench scoring.

[Colbinii]

I’ve never been a fan, but I suppose with the TOR trade, it’s time to talk Dennis Schröeder.

Schröeder’s deal is $12.4/$13.0, so it could be workable in a trade with Anderson + Shake, and maybe Anderson + Brown Jr. His second year insures that we aren’t left without ANY PG on the roster next year and no way to get one if we can’t bring back Conley, but that salary could put us over the second apron.

Schröeder gives me chemistry concerns. He’d definitely come off the bench behind Conley this year which he’d hate, and if he couldn’t feed Anthony Davis, I think he’d struggle to feed Gobert. He’s 30, but like many tiny PG’s we could trade for, I think that in the playoffs he would be relentlessly hunted on switches - something we don’t worry about with SloMo. He’s averaging 14.6 PPG with 36% 3P, so he could help our bench scoring.

I actually think we solved our back-up PG role. SlowMo is, without a doubt, the best defensive PG we could possibly acquire. He is a net+ defensively as a ball-handler.

I'd like to see Miller get some minutes in the rotation at 10-15 MPG. Maybe he can show or mesh well enough to be a Christian Braun type.