Butler has requested a trade, the saga continues

[Slim Tubby]

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Taylor already has signed off on two huge contracts for forward Andrew Wiggins, (five years, $147 million beginning this season) and center Karl-Anthony Towns, (five years, $190 million starting next season). Could Taylor pay Butler the $190 million he could attract from another team?

"We would have to make some changes on our team in order to keep Jimmy," Taylor said.

Makes me even more convinced the Glen isn't even offering the $190M. This seems to be the popular opinion among the media talking heads, anyways.
I wonder is Thibs won't be shopping Wiggins if he shows any signs of life this season.

Is that statement about changes on the team a notice to the league that Wiggins or Towns might be available at some point?

It would be fair to interpret it that way.


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[Jedzz]

Is that statement about changes on the team a notice to the league that Wiggins or Towns might be available at some point?

It would be fair to interpret it that way.


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Thanks for confirming. It's a strange side game these people play when it comes to building a team and the timing of paying these amounts. Was no one thinking about Jimmy's deal when Wiggins' and Towns' offers were made? Or were they just seeing those players as value pieces that if they sign them to that amount they become value assets of that amount. I maybe wouldn't have thought about doing it that way as it's kind of like playing chicken with yourself. If they know they can't afford all three at these highest contracts, then maybe should have offered them all less in the first place. And if they dont take the offer then trade them and move on would have been my thought. But I might be shortsighted about the value ramifications of that.

[Jedzz]

Timberwolves are the 9th highest spending team this season, and one of 4 teams that have money tied up going all the way into 2024. If they added Jimmy at 190 for the next 5 to what they have now they are probably shooting up to top3 or top5 five spenders for the next 5 straight years.

[Calinks]

It could be about the contract. Wiggins situation has really messed us up. If we didnt need to max him we could have given that to Jimmy. With that said, I could see hesitation to tie up a 30 year old who just came off an injury with a max too. If Wiggins wasn't a factor maybe this would all be fine. I assumed the wolves would be willing to pay Butler all along but maybe they weren't.

[AmitabhaBuddha]

It really is starting to make sense. Taylor would not pay Jimmy $190. If Taylor isn’t willing to pay it, Butler wants to go to a team that will pay him $190. The teams he chose initially were all in a position to just pay $190, all way below the cap.

If he is on the Timberwolves, and they won’t take back salary next summer, he won’t get the $190 at all. His biggest fear.

I might be mad too over $50 million. It’s probably his last contract. Unfortunately that’s all he can do if we’re not willing to pay $190 or trade, be mad.

Makes sense why he won’t sit out games. This is really about money. money. money.

[Calinks]

Yea it changes my assumption. I thought he just was unhappy here but it could really be about the money. I totally get that, with that said, I don't like the way he went about it but I dont blame him for wanting to get traded.

[Jedzz]

It could be about the contract. Wiggins situation has really messed us up. If we didnt need to max him we could have given that to Jimmy. With that said, I could see hesitation to tie up a 30 year old who just came off an injury with a max too. If Wiggins wasn't a factor maybe this would all be fine. I assumed the wolves would be willing to pay Butler all along but maybe they weren't.

I guess it's possible they never entertained the idea of paying him what he expected. They sure sold a lot of talk about long term moves when that trade went down and back when Thibs was hired. But maybe they only planned to bring him in long enough to hopefully help teach the kids a two way style of playing.

[Slim Tubby]

It really is starting to make sense. Taylor would not pay Jimmy $190. If Taylor isn’t willing to pay it, Butler wants to go to a team that will pay him $190. The teams he chose initially were all in a position to just pay $190, all way below the cap.

If he is on the Timberwolves, and they won’t take back salary next summer, he won’t get the $190 at all. His biggest fear.

I might be mad too over $50 million. It’s probably his last contract. Unfortunately that’s all he can do if we’re not willing to pay $190 or trade, be mad.

Makes sense why he won’t sit out games. This is really about money. money. money.

Excellent assessment...wouldn't change a word.


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[walk with me]

It really is starting to make sense. Taylor would not pay Jimmy $190. If Taylor isn’t willing to pay it, Butler wants to go to a team that will pay him $190. The teams he chose initially were all in a position to just pay $190, all way below the cap.

If he is on the Timberwolves, and they won’t take back salary next summer, he won’t get the $190 at all. His biggest fear.

I might be mad too over $50 million. It’s probably his last contract. Unfortunately that’s all he can do if we’re not willing to pay $190 or trade, be mad.

Makes sense why he won’t sit out games. This is really about money. money. money.

Excellent assessment...wouldn't change a word.


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Yup. I’m not sure why folks are acting surprised though. Felt like this has been pretty obvious if you were able to tune out the narrative.

[Jedzz]

I think that it was all motivated by money was the original narrative being put forth by many. I only believe it is one part to this story. We'll never get the full story anyway until maybe 5 to 8 years from now when Jimmy's rehashing his career in a retirement expose.

[Crazy-Canuck]

It could be about the contract. Wiggins situation has really messed us up. If we didnt need to max him we could have given that to Jimmy. With that said, I could see hesitation to tie up a 30 year old who just came off an injury with a max too. If Wiggins wasn't a factor maybe this would all be fine. I assumed the wolves would be willing to pay Butler all along but maybe they weren't.

Wiggs contract wasn't the problem, i don't think his caphold was large enough. According to bobby marks the teague and taj signings were the problem. Or something like that.

Thibs really should have locked up jimmy when he had the chance.

But if u want jimmy for 5/190 starting after next year, then you need to find a salary dump for wiggins.

[shrink]

So many bad takes here.

It's frustrating to see people invent things to justify blaming whoever they want.

[Jedzz]

"Yes I think that he's made it very clear that he would not re-sign with us at the end of the year and therefore it is in our interest to get a trade so that we can get a player or two to replace him that helps our team," he said, per Sid Hartman of the Star Tribune.

Yes Glen. We are all glad that you were able to take all the guess work out of this story for us. Just one thing. Why would other teams bother to trade you much of anything after reading this when now they know with absolute certainty that he is available for free in the summer when he nulls by player option? Butler for scott free in the summer, or trade picks and players now. Hmmm, tuffy. The only thing to hope for is a team to act sooner that doesn't want to risk being late to the table later.

[KGdaBom]

It really is starting to make sense. Taylor would not pay Jimmy $190. If Taylor isn’t willing to pay it, Butler wants to go to a team that will pay him $190. The teams he chose initially were all in a position to just pay $190, all way below the cap.

If he is on the Timberwolves, and they won’t take back salary next summer, he won’t get the $190 at all. His biggest fear.

I might be mad too over $50 million. It’s probably his last contract. Unfortunately that’s all he can do if we’re not willing to pay $190 or trade, be mad.

Makes sense why he won’t sit out games. This is really about money. money. money.

If we weren't intending to max Jimmy we never should have traded for him. Top 10 players get maxed.

[PharmD]

It really is starting to make sense. Taylor would not pay Jimmy $190. If Taylor isn’t willing to pay it, Butler wants to go to a team that will pay him $190. The teams he chose initially were all in a position to just pay $190, all way below the cap.

If he is on the Timberwolves, and they won’t take back salary next summer, he won’t get the $190 at all. His biggest fear.

I might be mad too over $50 million. It’s probably his last contract. Unfortunately that’s all he can do if we’re not willing to pay $190 or trade, be mad.

Makes sense why he won’t sit out games. This is really about money. money. money.

Oh, is that why he wouldn't ride the team plane back after losing to Houston? lol buying Jimmy's agent's ridiculous money story

[PharmD]

Philly really looks bad. They need Jimmy. OKC should hop into the Jimmy sweepstakes too. UP YER OFFERS!

[Slim Tubby]

So many bad takes here.

It's frustrating to see people invent things to justify blaming whoever they want.

I respect your opinion as much as any other poster on here but is it really that hard to believe that Taylor didn't want to commit $190M to a player that will be 34 years old at the end of his contract? That's $86M for Wiggy, KAT and Butler alone for 19/20...it's a feasible argument not that any of us would know.


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[wco81]

So many bad takes here.

It's frustrating to see people invent things to justify blaming whoever they want.

I respect your opinion as much as any other poster on here but is it really that hard to believe that Taylor didn't want to commit $190M to a player that will be 34 years old at the end of his contract? That's $86M for Wiggy, KAT and Butler alone for 19/20...it's a feasible argument not that any of us would know.


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Yeah the only way paying 3 players that much would be justified is if the Wolves are expected to be 55 wins or better team which is expected to be one of the top 4 or 5 contenders in the whole league.

Even then, being a repeater payer is probably only sustainable by a handful of teams in the NBA.

[Jedzz]

Philly really looks bad. They need Jimmy. OKC should hop into the Jimmy sweepstakes too. UP YER OFFERS!

I'm really surprised a couple teams haven't just went after this opportunity that wasn't supposed to be available. Many teams with no chance to really compete at the top even though they have plenty of pieces, and Jimmy could definitely help a few of them compete. Is it the little bit o crazy Jimmy has been stirring up that scares them off, or the rumored money he would want this summer since he's not locked up yet, or because Thibs/Layden just want way too much? I'm surprised we haven't heard more about multiple future FRPs from teams that don't necessarily want to trade away the farm or don't have much to trade.

[Mattya]

So many bad takes here.

It's frustrating to see people invent things to justify blaming whoever they want.

I respect your opinion as much as any other poster on here but is it really that hard to believe that Taylor didn't want to commit $190M to a player that will be 34 years old at the end of his contract? That's $86M for Wiggy, KAT and Butler alone for 19/20...it's a feasible argument not that any of us would know.


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Considering he was willing to pay Shabazz and Gorgui 25+ million for their production and well as expected contracts to Wiggins, KAT, and LaVine, I’m doubting he was pulling cheapskate for the first winner he has had in over a decade. And if this is the case then...

If we weren't intending to max Jimmy we never should have traded for him. Top 10 players get maxed.

This is the same owner who luckily got turned down by Spree for that ridiculous contract offer. The same owner who always paid KG top dollar.