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Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning

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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#921 » by BlacJacMac » Sun Jun 29, 2025 11:49 pm

moss_is_1 wrote:If Naw were to receive a few offers from teams, but they all needed a sign and trade, could we create sort of a bidding war scenario? Obviously wouldn't get a ton of value back but multiple 2nds would be cool. Or would that be frowned upon by the CBA, or agent/player relations?


You send him to whichever team he prefers.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#922 » by moss_is_1 » Mon Jun 30, 2025 1:05 am

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moss_is_1 wrote:If Naw were to receive a few offers from teams, but they all needed a sign and trade, could we create sort of a bidding war scenario? Obviously wouldn't get a ton of value back but multiple 2nds would be cool. Or would that be frowned upon by the CBA, or agent/player relations?


You send him to whichever team he prefers.

Was my thoughts also, but was curious if there had ever been a scenario where a team has just sort of held a player hostage to squeeze more out of someone.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#923 » by younggunsmn » Mon Jun 30, 2025 1:30 am

It would be advantageous to us for us if NAW chooses a team with a TPE bigger than the MLE and signs for more than the MLE.

Because they would have to give us some kind of compensation for facilitating that.

Even if thats a 2nd round pick or two.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#924 » by jpatrick » Mon Jun 30, 2025 1:42 am

younggunsmn wrote:It would be advantageous to us for us if NAW chooses a team with a TPE bigger than the MLE and signs for more than the MLE.

Because they would have to give us some kind of compensation for facilitating that.

Even if thats a 2nd round pick or two.


How many teams have such a MLE? I thought it was just one, Atlanta, but I could be wrong.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#925 » by younggunsmn » Mon Jun 30, 2025 1:47 am

Not sure. I thought Sacramento had one from the Fox deal too.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#926 » by BlacJacMac » Mon Jun 30, 2025 2:00 am

moss_is_1 wrote:
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moss_is_1 wrote:If Naw were to receive a few offers from teams, but they all needed a sign and trade, could we create sort of a bidding war scenario? Obviously wouldn't get a ton of value back but multiple 2nds would be cool. Or would that be frowned upon by the CBA, or agent/player relations?


You send him to whichever team he prefers.

Was my thoughts also, but was curious if there had ever been a scenario where a team has just sort of held a player hostage to squeeze more out of someone.


It would be a horrible PR move and a bad look for the team.

Plus the player would need to sign off on it. You can’t sign and trade a player without them signing first.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#927 » by BlacJacMac » Mon Jun 30, 2025 2:00 am

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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#928 » by younggunsmn » Mon Jun 30, 2025 2:07 am

Teams with active Traded Player Exceptions (I only showed above about 5 mil)

SAC 16.8 (Huerter), 5.9 (Duarte)
CHIL 17.1 (Lavine)
ATL 25.2 (Murray), 13.1 (Bogdanovic)
DAL 11.0 (Kleber), 7.0 (Hardaway)
GSW 8.8 (Anderson)
LAC 6.5 (PJ Tucker)
MEM 7.7 (Smart), 6.1 (Z WIlliams)
MIA 16.0 (Butler)
MIL 7.2 (Middleton)
NOP 13.0 (Ingram), 9.9 (Valaciunas)
PHI 8.0 (K Martin)
POR 6.9 (Brogdon)
WAS 9.9 (Valanciunas), 5.2 (Davis)
MIN 8.8 (Anderson), 4.7 (Towns)

Sac, Chi, Atl, and Miami currently have TPEs larger than the 14.1 million MLE.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#929 » by Norseman79 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 4:02 am

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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#930 » by Guest84 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 6:46 pm

Norseman79 wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25222048-7-team-nba-trade-reportedly-being-discussed-include-lakers-warriors-durant-deal

What is this? Probably nothing as it states....but never know


I was just coming here to mention this but wasn't sure if it was legit. I'm wondering what the wolves' role in it would be...Edit, just seen it posted in the Athletic as well so it seems it could be legit.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#931 » by shrink » Thu Jul 3, 2025 6:55 pm

I posted about this in the other thread
shrink wrote:
Read on Twitter


This isn’t quite correct. The Wolves draft night deals were simply trading down the rights to the #31. Yes, #31 went to PHX, who is one of the seven teams in the trade so it could be linked in, but the pick trades didn’t involve salary exchanges, so there would be no reason to include them in a 7-team Durant deal.

The only reason we would be in this deal would be to include the NAW sign-and-trade. Through that deal, we can legally take back up to $7.2 mil because NAW is BYC, but I imagine the number will be less to try to avoid crossing the second apron this early. We could absorb a small deal to get some other team’s contract off the books to make the deal work financially for them.

I don’t know which teams need to shed salary, but I’ll look more closely and ask around.


Here’s the deal. Teams receiving a player in trade don’t want to trigger the first apron, so they want to send out more money than they take in. If they are close, that could mean sending a cheap salary to MIN.

So, of [PHX, HOU, ATL, BRK, GSW, LAL, MIN], which teams need to dump some cheap salary or create roster space?

What vet min or cheap players on these teams do you like? Connelly has some leverage here to get a decent player, because he could easily walk away from this deal, while other teams need it to go through. Find a cheap guy that might have some value.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#932 » by Neeva » Thu Jul 3, 2025 7:58 pm

:lol: You mean Fleming might still end up a wolf
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#933 » by Neeva » Thu Jul 3, 2025 8:28 pm

I really wish the wolves had pick 13, I want that NOLA top 5 pick next season, JoBer might have been there at 23 too, lucky Atlanta…
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#934 » by jpatrick » Thu Jul 3, 2025 8:47 pm

Neeva wrote:I really wish the wolves had pick 13, I want that NOLA top 5 pick next season, JoBer might have been there at 23 too, lucky Atlanta…


The real question is why didn’t the Bulls make that trade. Essengue would have probably been gone, but we’re talking about a likely top 5 pick in a loaded 2026 draft.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#935 » by moss_is_1 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 9:51 pm

shrink wrote:So, of [PHX, HOU, ATL, BRK, GSW, LAL, MIN], which teams need to dump some cheap salary or create roster space?

What vet min or cheap players on these teams do you like? Connelly has some leverage here to get a decent player, because he could easily walk away from this deal, while other teams need it to go through. Find a cheap guy that might have some value.

Wasn't there the rumor of Houston needing to move Whitmore? He'd be interesting at only 3.5m
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#936 » by shrink » Thu Jul 3, 2025 10:07 pm

Nick Richards at $5 mil? The Suns traded for Mark Williams and drafted Maluach.

He averaged 9.5 points and 8.6 rebounds per game with the Suns, shooting 60.5% from the field in 36 games (34 starts).
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#937 » by BlacJacMac » Thu Jul 3, 2025 10:21 pm

shrink wrote:Nick Richards at $5 mil? The Suns traded for Mark Williams and drafted Maluach

He averaged 9.5 points and 8.6 rebounds per game with the Suns, shooting 60.5% from the field in 36 games (34 starts).


Could be fun. We'd have an all-defense/all-offense tandem.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#938 » by younggunsmn » Thu Jul 3, 2025 10:40 pm

shrink wrote:I posted about this in the other thread
shrink wrote:
Read on Twitter


This isn’t quite correct. The Wolves draft night deals were simply trading down the rights to the #31. Yes, #31 went to PHX, who is one of the seven teams in the trade so it could be linked in, but the pick trades didn’t involve salary exchanges, so there would be no reason to include them in a 7-team Durant deal.

The only reason we would be in this deal would be to include the NAW sign-and-trade. Through that deal, we can legally take back up to $7.2 mil because NAW is BYC, but I imagine the number will be less to try to avoid crossing the second apron this early. We could absorb a small deal to get some other team’s contract off the books to make the deal work financially for them.

I don’t know which teams need to shed salary, but I’ll look more closely and ask around.


Here’s the deal. Teams receiving a player in trade don’t want to trigger the first apron, so they want to send out more money than they take in. If they are close, that could mean sending a cheap salary to MIN.

So, of [PHX, HOU, ATL, BRK, GSW, LAL, MIN], which teams need to dump some cheap salary or create roster space?

What vet min or cheap players on these teams do you like? Connelly has some leverage here to get a decent player, because he could easily walk away from this deal, while other teams need it to go through. Find a cheap guy that might have some value.



I wouldn't get too excited.
MIN, BRK, GSW, and LAL only need to be looped in because of the draft pick trading in the 2nd round that Phoenix did with picks they got from Houston for Durant.
Houston and Atlanta have to be looped into the Durant trade to make the salary matching in the Capela sign and trade work.
(Interesting note, Atlanta got a 2031 2nd round pickswap for that which mirrors what we got from the Warriors in the Kyle Anderson deal last summer).

Every other player transaction (NAW, Finney-Smith) works as a separate transaction from the Durant trade.
Although if the Lakers could figure a way to get a TPE from Finney-Smith, it would be useful on their end.
But they could negotiate that separately with Houston and give them a small incentive.

Any team threatening to muck up the 2nd round draft pick dominoes by trying to extort more is just going to piss off a bunch of players, agents, and fellow GMs. I dont expect the trade to change at all from what's been reported unless some surprise team decides it wants Jalen Green or Dillon Brooks and their bad contracts.

And the Wolves are very likely finished when it comes to anything but a vet minimum addition.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#939 » by winforlose » Thu Jul 3, 2025 11:17 pm

younggunsmn wrote:
shrink wrote:I posted about this in the other thread
shrink wrote:
Read on Twitter


This isn’t quite correct. The Wolves draft night deals were simply trading down the rights to the #31. Yes, #31 went to PHX, who is one of the seven teams in the trade so it could be linked in, but the pick trades didn’t involve salary exchanges, so there would be no reason to include them in a 7-team Durant deal.

The only reason we would be in this deal would be to include the NAW sign-and-trade. Through that deal, we can legally take back up to $7.2 mil because NAW is BYC, but I imagine the number will be less to try to avoid crossing the second apron this early. We could absorb a small deal to get some other team’s contract off the books to make the deal work financially for them.

I don’t know which teams need to shed salary, but I’ll look more closely and ask around.


Here’s the deal. Teams receiving a player in trade don’t want to trigger the first apron, so they want to send out more money than they take in. If they are close, that could mean sending a cheap salary to MIN.

So, of [PHX, HOU, ATL, BRK, GSW, LAL, MIN], which teams need to dump some cheap salary or create roster space?

What vet min or cheap players on these teams do you like? Connelly has some leverage here to get a decent player, because he could easily walk away from this deal, while other teams need it to go through. Find a cheap guy that might have some value.



I wouldn't get too excited.
MIN, BRK, GSW, and LAL only need to be looped in because of the draft pick trading in the 2nd round that Phoenix did with picks they got from Houston for Durant.
Houston and Atlanta have to be looped into the Durant trade to make the salary matching in the Capela sign and trade work.
(Interesting note, Atlanta got a 2031 2nd round pickswap for that which mirrors what we got from the Warriors in the Kyle Anderson deal last summer).

Every other player transaction (NAW, Finney-Smith) works as a separate transaction from the Durant trade.
Although if the Lakers could figure a way to get a TPE from Finney-Smith, it would be useful on their end.
But they could negotiate that separately with Houston and give them a small incentive.

Any team threatening to muck up the 2nd round draft pick dominoes by trying to extort more is just going to piss off a bunch of players, agents, and fellow GMs. I dont expect the trade to change at all from what's been reported unless some surprise team decides it wants Jalen Green or Dillon Brooks and their bad contracts.

And the Wolves are very likely finished when it comes to anything but a vet minimum addition.


Not that this will happen, nor that it should, but what happens if the Wolves don’t go along with the multi team framework. The deal they made was 31 for 36, they cannot exactly cancel it. If the Suns need the multi team to complete the deal, do the Wolves even have a choice other than to participate?
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Re: Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning 

Post#940 » by Neeva » Thu Jul 3, 2025 11:19 pm

jpatrick wrote:
Neeva wrote:I really wish the wolves had pick 13, I want that NOLA top 5 pick next season, JoBer might have been there at 23 too, lucky Atlanta…


The real question is why didn’t the Bulls make that trade. Essengue would have probably been gone, but we’re talking about a likely top 5 pick in a loaded 2026 draft.


There are so many stupid gms in this league… Cooper F was supposed to be in next year’s draft and he would have been rated about 3rd or 4th in most early mocks, that’s how strong the 2026 draft is at the top. Connelly needs to try to get Atlanta to give that pick up (Rudy?) :lol: :lol: convince the Hawks they will be east favorites with him instead of made of fiberglass Porzingus.
I do not trust a team that is relying on Zion’s health and Jordan Poole and a rookie in Fears at PG :o

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