2016 draft thread: Part 2

[Crazy-Canuck]

If thibs wants dunn, its because he is a long guard that can defend. I don't think it's about replacing rubio.

Rubio is the starter. Lavine for offense and dunn for defense.

[Klomp]

A bonus for Dunn, he might be the best of the guards at creating his own shot. Part of that may be due to roles, since Dunn had the ball in his hands a lot while Hield and Murray mostly played off other players, but it's still something that could be significant. We're finally starting to build a roster with players who can get buckets on their own, and Dunn would just add to that.

[NikolaPekovic]

We gift wrap him to Utah probably

I would not advise it for you guys, but it's what I'm hoping for. Hypothetically, if Rubio was to be moved, would you guys be seeking out a player or a pick?

What color ribbon would you like on your Ricky box, sir? But on a more serious note a salary dump and protected 2nd will do it.

.....

Log out.

[NikolaPekovic]

If thibs wants dunn, its because he is a long guard that can defend. I don't think it's about replacing rubio.

Rubio is the starter. Lavine for offense and dunn for defense.

Dunn wants to come here because his camp thinks he can eventually take Rubio's spot. His agent wouldn't be campaigning for him to come here if he didn't get some sign that our FO is not tied to Rubio as some of our fanbase.


Why do people think a 22 year old top 5 pick would come in here to be a long term back up?

Playing him and Rubio together would almost be the equivalent of playing John Wall and Rondo together. It wouldn't make any **** sense.

[Klomp]

Playing him and Rubio together would almost be the equivalent of playing John Wall and Rondo together. It wouldn't make any **** sense.

Except it wouldn't be.

Neither Rondo or Wall ever shot better than 32.5% from 3-point range in college. Dunn finished above 35% each of the last two seasons, including 37.2% this past season.

[TwolvesFanRome]

I don t know why but I hope we select Hield...seems to me a little Harden...

[Klomp]

I don t know why but I hope we select Hield...seems to me a little Harden...

Don't see that comp at all.

[TwolvesFanRome]

I don t know why but I hope we select Hield...seems to me a little Harden...

Don't see that comp at all.

He seems to me a real machine gun with a nice and solid structure...video posted here impressed me...anyway the only possibility is that boston pick Bender and Phoenix pass him to select another Pf, Chriss...
I'd him over Dunn...

[Takingbaconback]

If thibs wants dunn, its because he is a long guard that can defend. I don't think it's about replacing rubio.

Rubio is the starter. Lavine for offense and dunn for defense.

Dunn wants to come here because his camp thinks he can eventually take Rubio's spot. His agent wouldn't be campaigning for him to come here if he didn't get some sign that our FO is not tied to Rubio as some of our fanbase.


Why do people think a 22 year old top 5 pick would come in here to be a long term back up?

Playing him and Rubio together would almost be the equivalent of playing John Wall and Rondo together. It wouldn't make any **** sense.

It really wouldn't be fair for either of them especially Dunn. They would bring out the worst in each other on offense. Going to be a lot more wasted seconds dribbling around, forced shots, bricks, and bad spacing as if these problems weren't bad enough.

[Klomp]

The more I watch Dunn, the more I love. And I do think that if we draft him he'll be starting by midseason, but it would be at SG and not PG. I know I'm in the minority about this, but I don't care.

Tom Thibodeau is a defensive coach. I think Dunn is the perfect embodiment of how Thibodeau wants to build this team. While he's not going to be the next Ray Allen or Reggie Miller, I think his perceived lack of a perimeter game is completely overblown.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63GAIjzVH3M[/youtube]

[Maefteda]

I've started to warm up to the idea of Kris Dunn as well. I really liked his interviews, as he sounds like a potential star and seems like a decent guy also. He can do a little bit of everything and his 3PT shooting isn't horrible. He can absolutely be a threat from there, although his FT% is worrying.

If Bender is falling now as well, there are a lot of players I'd be happy for us to pick. Bender, Dunn, Murray, Hield... They all have some question marks, but they can all be a great fit with us and become stars. I'd probably rank them in that order now, as I feel like Bender is such a great fit and has so much upside, Dunn has the potential to not have any major holes in his game, Murray is a terrific 1/2 guard who can play both on and off the ball and Hield is a gunner who I still think has potential to be a 2-way player with his work ethic.

I am a huge Rubio fan and Dunn is pretty much the total opposite of him, in terms of getting by on athleticism over BBIQ offensively and defensively and being maybe too confident offensively where he has tools but doesn't always make the correct decisions. I think these things are fixable however, so he can become a starting PG in the future. If he shoots well enough from 3, he can also cover as a SG. I'm surprised Takingbaconback isn't all over Dunn, as he seems like he is exactly the things he criticizes Rubio for.

When it comes to Rubio I am still a huge fan, but I do also question how he would work as a main PG deep in the playoffs. BUT, considering we are a team who only won 29 games last year, we should be in no rush to ship him out and rather have him stay with us and help develop our other players. I think Rubio is a huge positive when it comes to developing our future stars.

A guy like David Lee for example didn't directly help Golden State win the title, but he was hugely important as a focal point offensively for them for years, opening things up for guys like Curry and Thompson while the Warriors rose to prominence. He changed their culture and was a great pro whose contributions to that franchise were underrated simply because he was easy to pick apart on defence.

Even if we don't pick Dunn, it doesn't automatically mean that we are "stuck" with Rubio as our starting PG either, as we will still be picking in the 20's in the draft where sometimes great PGs fall, Tyus might develop into something and, call me crazy, but Zach might actually turn into a serviceable PG and a star in the future. No one thought Westbrook could be a PG in the past, but here we are...

[Takingbaconback]

I think LaVine is going to make another noticeable jump and lock up SG easily. His defensive ability is incredibly underrated by wolves fans and I think he will be the greatest benefactor to Thibs becoming head coach.

[Klomp]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP/status/738747261325168642[/tweet]

[Takingbaconback]

I am a huge Rubio fan and Dunn is pretty much the total opposite of him, in terms of getting by on athleticism over BBIQ offensively and defensively and being maybe too confident offensively where he has tools but doesn't always make the correct decisions. I think these things are fixable however, so he can become a starting PG in the future. If he shoots well enough from 3, he can also cover as a SG. I'm surprised Takingbaconback isn't all over Dunn, as he seems like he is exactly the things he criticizes Rubio for.

It's because I think dunn and rubio are very similar players. Yeah defensive philosophy is different with Dunn being more physical and Rubio more sneaky, but they can both cut off penetration and have length to disrupt passing lanes. Both are good rebounders, have good size, and can handle the ball. They distribute the ball to their teammates and have good basketball instincts.

The big difference is that Dunn is very good at attacking the rim and has some natural uncanny abilities finishing near the basket. He's not a bad shooter either. I like a lot of parts in Rubio's game, it's just that the flaws are way too disruptive and inconsistent. There has to be a growing doubt for Wolves FO and I think it's time for that doubt to manifest.

[HitmanCapone]

I don t know why but I hope we select Hield...seems to me a little Harden...

I see more Ray Allen or Rip Hamilton

[Maefteda]

I am a huge Rubio fan and Dunn is pretty much the total opposite of him, in terms of getting by on athleticism over BBIQ offensively and defensively and being maybe too confident offensively where he has tools but doesn't always make the correct decisions. I think these things are fixable however, so he can become a starting PG in the future. If he shoots well enough from 3, he can also cover as a SG. I'm surprised Takingbaconback isn't all over Dunn, as he seems like he is exactly the things he criticizes Rubio for.

It's because I think dunn and rubio are very similar players. Yeah defensive philosophy is different with Dunn being more physical and Rubio more sneaky, but they can both cut off penetration and have length to disrupt passing lanes. Both are good rebounders, have good size, and can handle the ball. They distribute the ball to their teammates and have good basketball instincts.

The big difference is that Dunn is very good at attacking the rim and has some natural uncanny abilities finishing near the basket. He's not a bad shooter either. I like a lot of parts in Rubio's game, it's just that the flaws are way too disruptive and inconsistent. There has to be a growing doubt for Wolves FO and I think it's time for that doubt to manifest.

They are both good defensively and are suspect shooters, but in terms of mentality I think they are very different. Especially offensively with how Dunn is not afraid of attacking the basket, even when he probably should pass out to a teammate sometimes. Like you said, Rubio has a lot of good qualities, but disruptive flaws, so I figured you'd think Dunn had similarly good qualities without the glaring flaws.

So yeah, I'm surprised you are not fully on the Dunn bandwagon, still am

[Foye]

Former Friars point guard God Shammgod, who played 20 seasons professionally and is currently on Providence’s coaching staff, has trained Dunn throughout his collegiate career and expects him to be superstar in the NBA.

“I’m biased, but I really think he’s a first-pick-caliber player. I think Kris can be a guy who makes 13 to 14 All-Star appearances,” Shammgod told Basketball Insiders. “He’s so talented on both ends of the floor and he does the little things that people don’t notice too. He throws the advance pass as well as any player I’ve seen since Jason Kidd. That may not jump out to others, but little things like that separate him from other players. With his game, leadership and personality, he’s a face-of-the-franchise type of player. He’s the guy you want to build a team around. Not only is he a great player, he’s a great leader and great person off the court. Everyone loves who he is and loves his personality. When he sits down with NBA executives, they’re going to be impressed.”

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-pm-kris-dunn-excited-for-draft-process/

Man, this is the worst piece of homerism I have read in a long time. At least he pointed out he is biased before.
I would be surprised if Dunn is even 13-14 years in the league. He would be 35-36 by then. 90% of all PGs are done earlier than that. 14 All-Star appearances? Lol.

[Takingbaconback]

I am a huge Rubio fan and Dunn is pretty much the total opposite of him, in terms of getting by on athleticism over BBIQ offensively and defensively and being maybe too confident offensively where he has tools but doesn't always make the correct decisions. I think these things are fixable however, so he can become a starting PG in the future. If he shoots well enough from 3, he can also cover as a SG. I'm surprised Takingbaconback isn't all over Dunn, as he seems like he is exactly the things he criticizes Rubio for.

It's because I think dunn and rubio are very similar players. Yeah defensive philosophy is different with Dunn being more physical and Rubio more sneaky, but they can both cut off penetration and have length to disrupt passing lanes. Both are good rebounders, have good size, and can handle the ball. They distribute the ball to their teammates and have good basketball instincts.

The big difference is that Dunn is very good at attacking the rim and has some natural uncanny abilities finishing near the basket. He's not a bad shooter either. I like a lot of parts in Rubio's game, it's just that the flaws are way too disruptive and inconsistent. There has to be a growing doubt for Wolves FO and I think it's time for that doubt to manifest.

They are both good defensively and are suspect shooters, but in terms of mentality I think they are very different. Especially offensively with how Dunn is not afraid of attacking the basket, even when he probably should pass out to a teammate sometimes. Like you said, Rubio has a lot of good qualities, but disruptive flaws, so I figured you'd think Dunn had similarly good qualities without the glaring flaws.

So yeah, I'm surprised you are not fully on the Dunn bandwagon, still am

Probably cuz I still am hopeful for Bender lol. I think Dunn is a better pure PG version of Bledsoe so I am still a big fan. I like his swag and competitiveness a lot. Just comparing their mental makeup, but he has a Lillard type of attitude and passion.

I can see Philly trading Okafor to Boston for Dunn though. Makes sense for them to balance out their roster and I feel like Celtics get Okafor cheap in that deal.

[TwolvesFanRome]

I don t know why but I hope we select Hield...seems to me a little Harden...

I see more Ray Allen or Rip Hamilton

Anyway an elite shooter!

[LacosteM]

If he's still on the board Bender seems like a no-brainer for ya'll imo.