Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[moss_is_1]

Even if Lowry is cooked, Miami's front office is way too smart to add Russell to their roster, they would cut him before he ever spent a minute on the floor for Spoelstra.
There are at least a dozen other front offices I have that same feeling about, including Toronto.

Maybe, they did sign Duncan Robinson to a big deal though.

[minimus]

Are you thinking Russell for Monte Morris, Delon Wright and Will Barton (exp), and maybe 2 2nds?

The Wizards are only $350k under the lux, yet this deal only adds $70k! I’d be on board.

We’d need to dispose of a couple players before the deal to make two roster spots. I’d love to see if we could trade Wright + Naz and the 2023 NYK 2nd to get Caruso. But if not, see who would absorb Bryn Forbes or Jaylen Nowell.

If we can turn DLo, Reid and Nowell into Morris AND Caruso it would be a great trade deadline.

[thinktank]

Dlo, Reid, Nowell for Lowry, Oladipo, Jovic

Lowry McLaughlin Rivers
Edwards Oladipo Moore
McDaniels Prince Jovic
Towns Anderson Minott
Gobert Knight Garza

No chance Miami makes that deal.

[shrink]

Even if Lowry is cooked, Miami's front office is way too smart to add Russell to their roster, they would cut him before he ever spent a minute on the floor for Spoelstra.
There are at least a dozen other front offices I have that same feeling about, including Toronto.

I don’t know if they’d use DLo for the rest of the season, but they certainly wouldn’t re-sign him. Their payroll is already into the lux, and they probably want to keep Strus and Vincent with new deals.

[shrink]

Dlo, Reid, Nowell for Lowry, Oladipo, Jovic

Lowry McLaughlin Rivers
Edwards Oladipo Moore
McDaniels Prince Jovic
Towns Anderson Minott
Gobert Knight Garza

I actually don’t think this deal is too far off. Teams love their rookies their first year, but the MIN package is a group of players that not only help a team win this year, but they are all expirings. This deal would cut $41 mil from the Heat’s $177 mil payroll. The Heat might view it as a decision between keeping Jovic, or re-signing Struss and Vincent, and they would clearly lean towards the latter.

One problem with the deal is Oladipo. I believe that his contract gives him the power to decline a trade, and I imagine he’d rather stay in Miami rather than come to MIN in January. He could be replaced with Dedmon, who becomes trade eligible next week.

I guess my question would be whether Jovic is better than a lottery protected 1st? I know he got a little fame because his name is so close to Jokic, but I haven’t been impressed by him at pick #27. I think the pick is more valuable as a trade asset, since it’s undefined. Some teams have no use specifically for a rookie PF (maybe us too?), but all teams want a pick, something that comes as a mystery box and you can pick for fit in the draft.

[shrink]

One last thought.

I’ve made it clear why I believe that we should trade DLo, Naz, and probably Nowell, because we are unlikely to bring them back, they are more valuable elsewhere, and we don’t want them to walk for nothing. However, if we trade away both DLo and Nowell, we don’t have a sixth man, offensive initiator left on the team. We’d want to get one back (Oladipo in the last trade), or we’d likely have to wait until the off-season and free agency. “That back up guy that wants to score” is an abundant type of player in the NBA, so filling that slot wouldn’t be hard, but we just don’t happen to have one if both DLo and Nowell are gone by the deadline. If we trade only one, then the other just adds the other’s responsibilities.

[Danimals]

We need a better fit at PG. Dlo is talented, but a terrible fit at PG for this team. We need an upgrade at 6th man. Nowell’s only role in the league is tank commander. He’s been given a long leash on this team, and he’s basically Shabazz 2.0. We also need depth at forward. Prince and SloMo will continue to miss time this year and next. We should also invest in a young, developmental PG.

[moss_is_1]

How far off is a base 3 way deal of

Minnesota out: Dlo
Minnesota in: Caruso, Norman Powell

Lac out: Powell, Covington or Batum
In: Dlo

Chicago out: Caruso
In: Roco or Batum

I've seen the Bulls saying they could a 3/4 defender. Wolves could also obviously include Nowell, and/or Naz. Clippers could use a more athletic big behind or with Zubac.

[Klomp]

One last thought.

I’ve made it clear why I believe that we should trade DLo, Naz, and probably Nowell, because we are unlikely to bring them back, they are more valuable elsewhere, and we don’t want them to walk for nothing. However, if we trade away both DLo and Nowell, we don’t have a sixth man, offensive initiator left on the team. We’d want to get one back (Oladipo in the last trade), or we’d likely have to wait until the off-season and free agency. “That back up guy that wants to score” is an abundant type of player in the NBA, so filling that slot wouldn’t be hard, but we just don’t happen to have one if both DLo and Nowell are gone by the deadline. If we trade only one, then the other just adds the other’s responsibilities.

If the Washington trade happens, hasn't Barton been that in his career at least somewhat?

[Colbinii]

How far off is a base 3 way deal of

Minnesota out: Dlo
Minnesota in: Caruso, Norman Powell

Lac out: Powell, Covington or Batum
In: Dlo

Chicago out: Caruso
In: Roco or Batum

I've seen the Bulls saying they could a 3/4 defender. Wolves could also obviously include Nowell, and/or Naz. Clippers could use a more athletic big behind or with Zubac.

Its pretty bad for LAC and especially Chicago.

Great for us though lol

[shrink]

How far off is a base 3 way deal of

Minnesota out: Dlo
Minnesota in: Caruso, Norman Powell

Lac out: Powell, Covington or Batum
In: Dlo

Chicago out: Caruso
In: Roco or Batum

I've seen the Bulls saying they could a 3/4 defender. Wolves could also obviously include Nowell, and/or Naz. Clippers could use a more athletic big behind or with Zubac.

I don’t hate it for any of the three teams, if MIN sends Naz (and it would probably need to be Batum) to CHI. Maybe it needs more, but I don’t know what CHI is doing with their team right now anyway, so it’s hard to know what assets they value.

Covington has really gotten a lot worse since the time he left the Wolves, so I don’t think the value is unfair here. MIN could certainly benefit from splitting up DLo’s contract, and getting some second year salary. One problem though is that Clippers fans believe Steve Ballmer will pay any amount of lux taxes. Maybe he will, he’s looked that way so far, but I have yet to see any owner do this endlessly. I think if the value of the trade to the Clippers is financial relief, Clipper posters will reject it.

[Neeva]

Ao we could have gotten John Collins for Beasley and Vando? LOL

[Domejandro]

Even if Lowry is cooked, Miami's front office is way too smart to add Russell to their roster, they would cut him before he ever spent a minute on the floor for Spoelstra.
There are at least a dozen other front offices I have that same feeling about, including Toronto.

This just isn’t true at all. Far worse players have played major minutes in Miami, over the years.

[TimberKat]

Even if Lowry is cooked, Miami's front office is way too smart to add Russell to their roster, they would cut him before he ever spent a minute on the floor for Spoelstra.
There are at least a dozen other front offices I have that same feeling about, including Toronto.

This just isn’t true at all. Far worse players have played major minutes in Miami, over the years.

Yes, DLo is not great but still can help a team in the right situation. See JR Smith with the Cavs. We just don't have the right players to create that situation for him. We think Gobert would be the catalyst but just haven't turn out that way so far.

[shangrila]

Even if Lowry is cooked, Miami's front office is way too smart to add Russell to their roster, they would cut him before he ever spent a minute on the floor for Spoelstra.
There are at least a dozen other front offices I have that same feeling about, including Toronto.

This just isn’t true at all. Far worse players have played major minutes in Miami, over the years.

Yes, DLo is not great but still can help a team in the right situation. See JR Smith with the Cavs. We just don't have the right players to create that situation for him. We think Gobert would be the catalyst but just haven't turn out that way so far.

The right situation for him is likely as a 6th man but his ego won't allow that, especially with recent comments.

And after watching him repeatedly refuse to so much as extend his arm to reach a rebound that has literally bounced half a foot in front of him...I just don't care what the "right" situation is for him. Get him off the team.

[TimberKat]

This just isn’t true at all. Far worse players have played major minutes in Miami, over the years.

Yes, DLo is not great but still can help a team in the right situation. See JR Smith with the Cavs. We just don't have the right players to create that situation for him. We think Gobert would be the catalyst but just haven't turn out that way so far.

The right situation for him is likely as a 6th man but his ego won't allow that, especially with recent comments.

And after watching him repeatedly refuse to so much as extend his arm to reach a rebound that has literally bounced half a foot in front of him...I just don't care what the "right" situation is for him. Get him off the team.

I don't know how real these trade scenarios are but if we can't make it work here. I will take any them. https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2023/01/12/minnesota-timberwolves-4-potential-dangelo-russell-trades/

[NebWolvesFan]

Yes, DLo is not great but still can help a team in the right situation. See JR Smith with the Cavs. We just don't have the right players to create that situation for him. We think Gobert would be the catalyst but just haven't turn out that way so far.

The right situation for him is likely as a 6th man but his ego won't allow that, especially with recent comments.

And after watching him repeatedly refuse to so much as extend his arm to reach a rebound that has literally bounced half a foot in front of him...I just don't care what the "right" situation is for him. Get him off the team.

I don't know how real these trade scenarios are but if we can't make it work here. I will take any them. https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2023/01/12/minnesota-timberwolves-4-potential-dangelo-russell-trades/

There's no way the Suns are trading Bridges. It would have to be a Crowder, Shamet, Payne for Russell, Forbes deal.

I don't love the Heat deal, but it would be nice to get a 25 first round pick.

[shrink]

Yes, DLo is not great but still can help a team in the right situation. See JR Smith with the Cavs. We just don't have the right players to create that situation for him. We think Gobert would be the catalyst but just haven't turn out that way so far.

The right situation for him is likely as a 6th man but his ego won't allow that, especially with recent comments.

And after watching him repeatedly refuse to so much as extend his arm to reach a rebound that has literally bounced half a foot in front of him...I just don't care what the "right" situation is for him. Get him off the team.

I don't know how real these trade scenarios are but if we can't make it work here. I will take any them. https://dunkingwithwolves.com/2023/01/12/minnesota-timberwolves-4-potential-dangelo-russell-trades/

I’m generally skeptical of the fake trades from other sites. They generally tend to be overly generous for the home team, and the writers usually don’t know what CBA rules trip up their ideas (like the deal on this site where MIN trades for Beverley.

That said, I think this writer did a decent job. Except for the Suns deal (Bridges is far too valuable to actual NBA teams), and overvalueing 2nds, the other three are interesting, if you lean toward a higher value for DLo and Naz.

Thanks for sharing

[life_saver]

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[thinktank]

I heard Miami is like 8 - 2 this year when Lowry sits.

Im starting to really not like the idea of Lowry due to his newfound inability to play D.