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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#941 » by winforlose » Sun Feb 11, 2024 2:38 pm

jpatrick wrote:It doesn’t appear Detroit will waive/buy out Fournier. They’ve already waived enough players that they actually have an open roster spot, and I saw Doogie tweet that it sounds like he’s staying in Detroit.

I don’t see the Gallo fit. He can only defend center, and very poorly at that. I don’t see minutes for him here at center.

What does Joe Harris have left? Once upon a time, he was an elite 3/D. But has been injured the past couple years. Kick the tires there?

I don’t see Curry getting bought out. Right? Am I wrong?

Morris? I can’t see it. He’s more of a big. Unless we really are going to bench Kyle.


Is there anything left in Danny Green’s tank?
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#942 » by KGdaBom » Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:17 pm

winforlose wrote:
jpatrick wrote:It doesn’t appear Detroit will waive/buy out Fournier. They’ve already waived enough players that they actually have an open roster spot, and I saw Doogie tweet that it sounds like he’s staying in Detroit.

I don’t see the Gallo fit. He can only defend center, and very poorly at that. I don’t see minutes for him here at center.

What does Joe Harris have left? Once upon a time, he was an elite 3/D. But has been injured the past couple years. Kick the tires there?

I don’t see Curry getting bought out. Right? Am I wrong?

Morris? I can’t see it. He’s more of a big. Unless we really are going to bench Kyle.


Is there anything left in Danny Green’s tank?

I think not.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#943 » by KGdaBom » Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:19 pm

There is no player on the Free Agent market that we can get who will have any impact at all. I take it we need to sign one body though to have enough players right?
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#944 » by winforlose » Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:48 am

Gonna preface this by saying HELL YES!

Read on Twitter
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#945 » by KGdaBom » Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:34 am

winforlose wrote:Gonna preface this by saying HELL YES!

Read on Twitter
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OK maybe he will be useful. I may have spoke too soon. Hey Note look at me admitting I could be wrong.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#946 » by winforlose » Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:38 am

KGdaBom wrote:
winforlose wrote:Gonna preface this by saying HELL YES!

Read on Twitter
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OK maybe he will be useful. I may have spoke too soon. Hey Note look at me admitting I could be wrong.


To be fair didn’t you block him? If he blocked you back he might not see it. Maybe he can read it off my quoting you?

P.S. Marcus is shooting 40% from deep on 2.4 attempts per game. He has shown an ability to increase the volume and keep the % respectable. He brings playoff experience with 67 playoff games. He has played real minutes this year for Philly, and has as many positive +/- games as negative. He isn’t a world beater, but for 15 minutes a night he can do a lot of good for us.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#947 » by Isegrim » Mon Feb 12, 2024 9:14 am

winforlose wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
winforlose wrote:Gonna preface this by saying HELL YES!

Read on Twitter
?s=20

OK maybe he will be useful. I may have spoke too soon. Hey Note look at me admitting I could be wrong.


To be fair didn’t you block him? If he blocked you back he might not see it. Maybe he can read it off my quoting you?

P.S. Marcus is shooting 40% from deep on 2.4 attempts per game. He has shown an ability to increase the volume and keep the % respectable. He brings playoff experience with 67 playoff games. He has played real minutes this year for Philly, and has as many positive +/- games as negative. He isn’t a world beater, but for 15 minutes a night he can do a lot of good for us.


Here's what Canis had to say about MM in the article that Shrink postet above:

"2) Marcus Morris Sr., $17,116,279
Marcus Morris Sr. would certainly fill a void in the toughness and playoff experience departments left behind by his ex-Los Angeles Clippers teammate Patrick Beverley. Morris played in 59 playoff games from 2017-2021 as a trusted member of the Celtics and Clippers, and played extremely consistent basketball as a quick decision-maker in a pivotal stretch 4/small-ball 5 role in spaced-out offenses. The North Philly native holds career playoff averages of 12.6 points on 43.1/40.7/77.3 shooting splits, 5.1 rebounds, 1.4 assists to 0.4 turnovers, and 1.0 stocks in 30.1 minutes per game.

But his last big playoff run was three years ago and he’s now 34 and in the midst of a steady decline since 2021-22, the second-best season of his career. Morris put up 6.7 points on 43.9/40.0/86.1 shooting splits, 2.9 rebounds, 0.7 assists and 0.7 stocks in 17.2 minutes per game across 37 appearances (seven starts) for his hometown Sixers this season.


While his role is pretty clearly not going to reach what it was at the peak of his powers in Los Angeles, he’s still spacing the floor at an effective clip as a spot-up shooter, rebounding well, can post-up guards and lighter wings, and is capable of switching onto 3s, 4s and smaller, perimeter-centric 5s. His playoff experience, toughness and intensity would all benefit a Timberwolves team struggling with holding leads that will almost certainly play a team in the playoffs that has more playoff experience than they do.

Morris Sr. also has a lot of respect for what Gobert can do defensively after getting to know him quite well in the playoffs.

“Yeah, they’re still the same team,” Morris said, via a Sports Illustrated piece from 2021. “Ain’t nothing changed. [Rudy] protects all of them. None of them really can defend. Just funnel it to him, and it’s tough to - he’s a great player, and he does a great job of, you know, anticipation, staying down, being real solid. So, you know who they are.”

Given his salary coming in north of the NTP MLE, he could see Minnesota as a pretty viable option among the pool of teams eligible to sign him.

Morris is represented by Chafie Fields of Wasserman. Beyond McLaughlin and Clark, Anderson is also a Wasserman client."

https://www.canishoopus.com/2024/2/9/24067764/nba-trade-deadline-5-buyout-candidates-wolves-tim-connelly-anthony-edwards-rudy-gobert
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#948 » by minimus » Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:35 pm

Does Marcus Morris have reputation of dirty player? Or it is about his brother? Or it is just another narrative?
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#949 » by winforlose » Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:47 pm

minimus wrote:Does Marcus Morris have reputation of dirty player? Or it is about his brother? Or it is just another narrative?


Dirty is stretch, but hard edged yes. There was some stuff with Luka in the bubble that was pretty dirty. He is somewhere between Pat Bev and his brother on the spectrum. But, Pat Bev didn’t corrupt Ant and I don’t think Morris in a bench buyout role poisons the team.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#950 » by minimus » Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:50 pm

winforlose wrote:
minimus wrote:Does Marcus Morris have reputation of dirty player? Or it is about his brother? Or it is just another narrative?


Dirty is stretch, but hard edged yes. There was some stuff with Luka in the bubble that was pretty dirty. He is somewhere between Pat Bev and his brother on the spectrum. But, Pat Bev didn’t corrupt Ant and I don’t think Morris in a bench buyout role poisons the team.


If it is true then I still wonder why TC want him... It looks like TC wants a group of high character guys.
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Post#951 » by winforlose » Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:51 pm

So someone from Wolves media (I believe JK,) said the Wolves are willing to risk the tax on Mike’s incentives as a finals appearance or win would be worth it. If this is true, and the appearance is good enough to justify the tax to the new owners, then we may have an ace up our sleeve. According to the math (fallible if I missed something, but I am pretty sure I am right,) we can sign both Marcus Morris and player X, and be under the tax. Depending on the day of the signings we may need to screw JMAC out of 100k in bonuses, but that is far from certain. In this hypothetical I am gonna suggest the second player be Delon Wright. He is good guard depth, can defend 1-3, and his 3 point shooting is above average this year.
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Post#952 » by NebWolvesFan » Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:54 pm

winforlose wrote:So someone from Wolves media (I believe JK,) said the Wolves are willing to risk the tax on Mike’s incentives as a finals appearance or win would be worth it. If this is true, and the appearance is good enough to justify the tax to the new owners, then we may have an ace up our sleeve. According to the math (fallible if I missed something, but I am pretty sure I am right,) we can sign both Marcus Morris and player X, and be under the tax. Depending on the day of the signings we may need to screw JMAC out of 100k in bonuses, but that is far from certain. In this hypothetical I am gonna suggest the second player be Delon Wright. He is good guard depth, can defend 1-3, and his 3 point shooting is above average this year.


I don't see Minnesota going to 15 players. Plus, if they really do want Marcus Morris, they may have to pay him the 4.3 million they have left of the MLE - which prorates to around 1.4 million which will take up the rest of the tax room. Dallas also wants him and NYK have a couple more spots to fill on their roster. He isn't a given at the minimum.

If Marcus does come to Minnesota, I like it. It gives them size for back to backs when Finch wants to rest Gobert. Finch can play Towns and Reid at center with Jaden, Kyle and Marcus handling SF-PF minutes.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#953 » by winforlose » Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:59 pm

NebWolvesFan wrote:
winforlose wrote:So someone from Wolves media (I believe JK,) said the Wolves are willing to risk the tax on Mike’s incentives as a finals appearance or win would be worth it. If this is true, and the appearance is good enough to justify the tax to the new owners, then we may have an ace up our sleeve. According to the math (fallible if I missed something, but I am pretty sure I am right,) we can sign both Marcus Morris and player X, and be under the tax. Depending on the day of the signings we may need to screw JMAC out of 100k in bonuses, but that is far from certain. In this hypothetical I am gonna suggest the second player be Delon Wright. He is good guard depth, can defend 1-3, and his 3 point shooting is above average this year.


I don't see Minnesota going to 15 players. Plus, if they really do want Marcus Morris, they may have to pay him the 4.3 million they have left of the MLE - which prorates to around 1.4 million which will take up the rest of the tax room. Dallas also wants him and NYK have a couple more spots to fill on their roster. He isn't a given at the minimum.

If Marcus does come to Minnesota, I like it. It gives them size for back to backs when Finch wants to rest Gobert. Finch can play Towns and Reid at center with Jaden, Kyle and Marcus handling SF-PF minutes.


If we do pay 4.3 to MM can we sign him for 2 years at that price? He might be handy next year, and at his age I don’t know what he is gonna get in free agency.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#954 » by NebWolvesFan » Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:06 pm

I like Morris, Sr. - especially when you look at who else is available, but I do worry about his foot. He's played through it a few times recently so it's not that bad, but his January numbers pale in comparison to his late 2023 stats. He should get about 3 weeks of rest - assuming this signing takes the rest of this week and then the all-star break. If he can get completely healthy and put up March numbers like he did in December (19 mins per game, 7.8ppg/3.5rpg/48FG/44-3FG/85FT) we may have something here.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#955 » by thinktank » Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:41 pm

I actually think the biggest thing we need is his strategic fouling. Not joking. He’s one of those vets that uses his fouls really well. Can change momentum.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#956 » by BlacJacMac » Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:48 pm

Marcus Morris: -8.3

TEAM:
On Court: .506 eFG%, 115.9 ORtg.
Off Court: .547 eFG%, 120.9 ORtg.

OPPONENT:
On Court: .542 eFG%, 117.7 ORtg.
Off Court: .538 eFG%, 114.4 ORtg.

Net -4.1 by EPM this season including -2.4 offensively and -1.8 defensively.
Net -3.4 by BPM this season including -2.3 offensively and -1.2 defensively.

He has not been a positive player for a few years. I'm not sure he's in the rotation, barring injury.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#957 » by thinktank » Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:01 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:Marcus Morris: -8.3

TEAM:
On Court: .506 eFG%, 115.9 ORtg.
Off Court: .547 eFG%, 120.9 ORtg.

OPPONENT:
On Court: .542 eFG%, 117.7 ORtg.
Off Court: .538 eFG%, 114.4 ORtg.

Net -4.1 by EPM this season including -2.4 offensively and -1.8 defensively.
Net -3.4 by BPM this season including -2.3 offensively and -1.2 defensively.

He has not been a positive player for a few years. I'm not sure he's in the rotation, barring injury.


I’ll go even further and say I’m sure he’s not in the regular rotation.
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#958 » by winforlose » Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:50 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:Marcus Morris: -8.3

TEAM:
On Court: .506 eFG%, 115.9 ORtg.
Off Court: .547 eFG%, 120.9 ORtg.

OPPONENT:
On Court: .542 eFG%, 117.7 ORtg.
Off Court: .538 eFG%, 114.4 ORtg.

Net -4.1 by EPM this season including -2.4 offensively and -1.8 defensively.
Net -3.4 by BPM this season including -2.3 offensively and -1.2 defensively.

He has not been a positive player for a few years. I'm not sure he's in the rotation, barring injury.


Did it ever occur to you that was because he didn’t play much with Embiid? In the 25 minutes he did play with him they were +43. Edit to add: I missed one where they were -23.1 together but that was in 18 minutes. The phenomenon you are describing is what happens to the Mavs when Luka is out, but made worse by the fact that it is a guy USUALLY only in the rotation when Luka isn’t playing or at least not on the floor.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/morrima03/lineups/2024

With us he has Gobert behind him or at least Karl who is much better this year at defending PNR and guarding the paint (still no Gobert, but improved.)
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#959 » by BlacJacMac » Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:54 pm

winforlose wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:Marcus Morris: -8.3

TEAM:
On Court: .506 eFG%, 115.9 ORtg.
Off Court: .547 eFG%, 120.9 ORtg.

OPPONENT:
On Court: .542 eFG%, 117.7 ORtg.
Off Court: .538 eFG%, 114.4 ORtg.

Net -4.1 by EPM this season including -2.4 offensively and -1.8 defensively.
Net -3.4 by BPM this season including -2.3 offensively and -1.2 defensively.

He has not been a positive player for a few years. I'm not sure he's in the rotation, barring injury.


Did it ever occur to you that was because he didn’t play much with Embiid? In the 25 minutes he did play with him they were +43. The phenomenon you are describing is what happens to the Mavs when Luka is out, but made worse by the fact that it is a guy USUALLY only in the rotation when Luka isn’t playing or at least not on the floor.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/morrima03/lineups/2024

With us he has Gobert behind him or at least Karl who is much better this year at defending PNR and guarding the paint (still no Gobert, but improved.)


He played 179 minutes with Embiid. They were +1.3...
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Re: 2023 Free Agency 

Post#960 » by winforlose » Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:55 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
winforlose wrote:
BlacJacMac wrote:Marcus Morris: -8.3

TEAM:
On Court: .506 eFG%, 115.9 ORtg.
Off Court: .547 eFG%, 120.9 ORtg.

OPPONENT:
On Court: .542 eFG%, 117.7 ORtg.
Off Court: .538 eFG%, 114.4 ORtg.

Net -4.1 by EPM this season including -2.4 offensively and -1.8 defensively.
Net -3.4 by BPM this season including -2.3 offensively and -1.2 defensively.

He has not been a positive player for a few years. I'm not sure he's in the rotation, barring injury.


Did it ever occur to you that was because he didn’t play much with Embiid? In the 25 minutes he did play with him they were +43. The phenomenon you are describing is what happens to the Mavs when Luka is out, but made worse by the fact that it is a guy USUALLY only in the rotation when Luka isn’t playing or at least not on the floor.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/morrima03/lineups/2024

With us he has Gobert behind him or at least Karl who is much better this year at defending PNR and guarding the paint (still no Gobert, but improved.)


He played 179 minutes with Embiid. They were +1.3...


I know the link says that, but if you check the 5 man lineups that doesn’t pan out. I don’t get it.

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