Trade Talk (Part 18): Early Season Panic Edition

[Danimals]

Should have moved Conley and Dillingham to keep NAW.

[Klomp]

Should have moved Conley and Dillingham to keep NAW.

But then everyone would whine because we have no point guards, which is supposedly the most important position

[Danimals]

I’d love to have a pg, but they have to be good enough to deserve playing. Otherwise just play best players.

[Neeva]

Ddv is raising his value also though, keeping him was smart. I’d only trade him if Knicks overpay that wasn’t gonna happen in the off season.

Wolves paid Naz too much for a bench big that can’t defend, He needs to start, to raise his value that means trading Randle.

[Domejandro]

What I am trying to piece together is who Minnesota is trying to get that would make it acceptable to lose Donte DiVincenzo's shooting with an already light backcourt rotation. If the rumour is true (always beware New York media), my initial thought is that the Wizards pick would be a mechanism to obtain value for another deal, given Minnesota's roster problems.

The other weird thing is that New York $148k away from the Second Apron (which they are capped at), so any deal involving Donte DiVincenzo would have to involve Mitchell Robinson, which nukes their Center depth... unless it was part of a larger scale deal where they are trading higher salary players. Maybe they are okay with just moving on from Mitchell Robinson, but I am not convinced that would make their team better.

[ILC]

I would love to have a young, potential "star" guard like maybe Ivey, Rollins, Black... Very little chance any of them are actually stars at any point, but unless it is for one of them (or a White, Suggs etc.(I am not touching the core 6 guys. Not DDV, not Naz, none of them. They are good players, developing chemistry and I believe in them in a big game.

I believe in Clark and believe in TJ too despite his poor start to the season. I think TJ just needs a more consistent role and I think the current attempt to have a 10 man rotation is really hurting all of them. Because you have a top 6 that all play all the time and play a lot of minutes it is really hard to stretch it to 10 men. They get jerked around with inconsistent minutes and aren't afforded the time and patience to play through their mistakes and often because you're in a rush to play 10 guys they play in non-optimal combinations.

That's why my primary goal would be to trade both Conley and Rob for a single guard and consolidate this into a 9 man rotation where everyone would have a clear role and clear pathway to minutes every night.

I don't believe it has to be a star guard for Minnesota to be better. Someone who is just decent defensively, ie not being HUNTED every single possession and can get to the basket, find a wide open Rudy for dunks and hit an occasional 3 would be just fine.

Conley, Rob, Miller works financially for Sexton, or for any other player under 19.5m this year.

Went through the list of ball handling guards earning 19.5m this year, at least somewhat realistic, not including the likes of Reaves, Dylan Harper, VJ, Castle etc.:

- Sexton - would love to have him
- Monk - maybe, he was good on light the beam Kings, but definitely wouldn't be on top of my list
- Nembhard - no way with the above package
- Bogdan Bogdanović - a couple years ago sure, but age, injuries now...
- NAW
- Schroder
- Coby White - only for the 3 above, no way I am giving up any of the top 6 or any other young guys except from Rob who I've given up on
- Davion Mitchell, McBride - teams not giving them up for the above
- TJ McConnell - meh
- Jaden Ivey - sure, but it would take way more than the 3 above
- Lonzo Ball - yes, but could've had him in the summer if they wanted
- Ty Jerome, Tre Jones, Tre Mann, Jose Alvarado - yes
- D'Angelo - where is the puke emoji
- KPJ - f-him
- Rollins - no way now, but he was available for free, was UFA... what a hit he would be now
- Keyonte - no chance anymore
- McCain - no clue what PHI would do with him
- Collier, Scottie Pippen Jr.

Definitely way more options than would seem on the surface. 95% of the above would be (big) upgrades, hopefully Tim pulls the trigger on one because this team needs a consolidation trade BAD.

[minimus]

my level of expectations for TC PG trade are all time low: a ballhander who can dribble, make simple pass, give effort in defense and hit open three. IMO Jose Alvarado is an ideal fit.

[shrink]

I wish I could figure out CHI’s guard rotation. They have Giddey, Coby White, Jevon Carter, Ayo Dosunmu and Dalen Terry, and they all get some run. It feels like somebody should get squeezed out, and we could get something useful at a lower price.

[winforlose]

my level of expectations for TC PG trade are all time low: a ballhander who can dribble, make simple pass, give effort in defense and hit open three. IMO Jose Alvarado is an ideal fit.

Or as I like to say “Jose, Jose, Jose, Jose.”

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[dschroeder01]

What I am trying to piece together is who Minnesota is trying to get that would make it acceptable to lose Donte DiVincenzo's shooting with an already light backcourt rotation. If the rumour is true (always beware New York media), my initial thought is that the Wizards pick would be a mechanism to obtain value for another deal, given Minnesota's roster problems.

The other weird thing is that New York $148k away from the Second Apron (which they are capped at), so any deal involving Donte DiVincenzo would have to involve Mitchell Robinson, which nukes their Center depth... unless it was part of a larger scale deal where they are trading higher salary players. Maybe they are okay with just moving on from Mitchell Robinson, but I am not convinced that would make their team better.

As someone else wrote, that Wizards 1st really isn't a first as it's top 8 protected. It's going to be 2nd round picks in 26 and 27. That 2nd this year is going to be very close to the top of the 2nd round (if not first in the 2nd round) and 27 looks good as well, but it's still just two 2nds.

As for the player from NY, the only player that would make any sense would be Miles McBride. Not sure likes DDV that much though, but if he's not in the deal then there is no deal as we're not dealing Donte for 2nd round picks. McBride, Yabu, and Dadiet for DDV looks like it works financially on Fanspo after Dec 15 although I'm not sure it actually works because NY would then need to add 2 min guys to get 14 roster spots while staying under the 2nd apron. McBride and Robinson for DDV and Leonard Miller works as well, but again, why would NY do that?

[dschroeder01]

my level of expectations for TC PG trade are all time low: a ballhander who can dribble, make simple pass, give effort in defense and hit open three. IMO Jose Alvarado is an ideal fit.

I just don't see any "big" move that's worth it. Any talent that's realistically possible has huge warts like age, injury, immaturity, major style fit, contract, etc. that make it a HUGE gamble when we have to deal productive players to get any of these guys. (Ja, Lamelo, Kyrie, Trae, Garland, etc.)

There's also the reality that it's likely impossible to trade your way past OKC at this point. At best you can further empty the cupboard to reach for a slightly better version of what we have.

The other problem the Wolves have is that our best trade piece salary wise is Mike Conley's expiring $10M and he's essentially untradeable given his status in the locker room/leadership.

Jose Alvardo would be a nice addition. Are we ok giving up Shannon or Dillingham to get him? Fanspo says he'd add 1 win. I know that's not really much of anything, but it does give a representation of what we're really talking about with this kind of move. It probably doesn't move the needle much. Not saying not to do it, but do we want to give the possibility that Rob or T.J. get it for 1 more win?

[winforlose]

my level of expectations for TC PG trade are all time low: a ballhander who can dribble, make simple pass, give effort in defense and hit open three. IMO Jose Alvarado is an ideal fit.

I just don't see any "big" move that's worth it. Any talent that's realistically possible has huge warts like age, injury, immaturity, major style fit, contract, etc. that make it a HUGE gamble when we have to deal productive players to get any of these guys. (Ja, Lamelo, Kyrie, Trae, Garland, etc.)

There's also the reality that it's likely impossible to trade your way past OKC at this point. At best you can further empty the cupboard to reach for a slightly better version of what we have.

The other problem the Wolves have is that our best trade piece salary wise is Mike Conley's expiring $10M and he's essentially untradeable given his status in the locker room/leadership.

Jose Alvardo would be a nice addition. Are we ok giving up Shannon or Dillingham to get him? Fanspo says he'd add 1 win. I know that's not really much of anything, but it does give a representation of what we're really talking about with this kind of move. It probably doesn't move the needle much. Not saying not to do it, but do we want to give the possibility that Rob or T.J. get it for 1 more win?

Dilly is 6.5 million and climbing. His production is somewhere between WMJ and Jarrett Culver. Maybe he develops, maybe he doesn’t, but the money is not a net neutral, it hurts. Jose is a proven backup PG with above average on ball defense, approximately league average 3 point shooting on decent volume, and the ability to distribute at a PG 2 level.