Butler has requested a trade (Part II)

[Klomp]

Who plays backup Center if we trade Gorgui?

Considering most of the offers with Dieng have Whiteside coming back, it seems pretty logical that he'd be the guy sharing center minutes with Towns.

[alabamawolf]

I'm trying to figure out why Richardson is such an important piece when Okogie may be able to give Minnesota nearly the same thing as him in a year or 2.

Richardson is a good solid piece I guess but in a couple of years I don't think he's a difference maker on this team, just a decent starter, which Okogie might be by then also. If the tables were turned, people would be tearing Thibs apart to not give up Richardson for Butler, especially when Miami wants to move on from Whiteside, wanting to dump Waiters and Dragic is getting up there in age(32) but his style probably keeps him at a pretty high level for 2-3 more years.

If you want pieces for the future, the best thing would be wait till the trade deadline and let teams who think they may have a chance give up some of their future for a shot at the title this year and if it works out they can pay him to stay. Right now you're just getting offers from teams wanting to move some salaries/players they no longer want and also get to have Butler's bird rights.

Having Richardson and Okogie gives you two lockdown defenders and Richardson’s contract is one of the most team friendly deals in the NBA. If Toronto goes rebuild after this year you could try to move Wiggins there and move Richardson to the 3.

Sure, if Wiggins is moved, if not you're wasting money somewhere if Okogie may be able to give 30+ minutes on a rookie contract but only 15-20 is there because you're paying 40 million for the 2 guys in front of him.

It's simple, you gotta get as much bang for your buck if you don't have cap space. It worked last year because you had 2 starters on rookie contracts, this year looks to only be one and possibly next year none. You have to get some solid production from some very low priced players.

If you’re looking for bang for your buck then Richardson is the guy. He’s locked up long term on a team friendly deal. That’s how you build a future. Okogie is a nice prospect but he’s not ready to play 30 minutes a night. He’s still an unknown at the NBA level.

[twix2500]

Heat and Wolves been negotiating for two weeks. There only so many scenarios they can make. They got to be trading Yu-Gi-Oh cards by now.

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[Rashodamus]

Don't really care if Howard is plugged in or not...sounds like he either has good insight or maybe does know someone, either way at least his takes aren't offensive or obscenely stupid. As far as his being gone for a year, I would hold out on that until we see what trade actually goes down and if this was actually worked out until last minute.
If it was a last minute thing, it stinks of Thibs not actually wanting to do a deal.

I mean at least hes being consistent in his claim, maybe his buddy jumped the gun a little or thought it was a little more imminent. Doesnt mean it couldnt be legit insight so I dont mind hearing it.

Anybody remember the fabled Tspence from the Love/Wiggins trade era?

[Norseman79]

Thibs has no intention on moving Jimmy unless someone gives up a stupid deal which will not happen. This proposal was not a garbage proposal if what has been reported or mentioned on this board is accurate. It isn't a great trade, but all things considered we would have come out with two starters. If Thibs mancrush on Jimmy has gone this far, he is essentially jeopardizing what could be an immediate and longterm future of this team. Again, I want Taylor as far away from basketball decisions as possible, but when the coach is also the gm, the owner is really the only one who can step in.

[AirP.]

If you’re looking for bang for your buck then Richardson is the guy. He’s locked up long term on a team friendly deal. That’s how you build a future. Okogie is a nice prospect but he’s not ready to play 30 minutes a night. He’s still an unknown at the NBA level.

It's fine if you have a lot of cap space to add someone like that and have options to add game changers(high priced players), but you're going to be locked in very soon where you won't have a chance to pay much to get another big player. Towns and Wiggins plus solid players probably aren't even a playoff team.

[Rashodamus]

Heat and Wolves been negotiating for two weeks. There only so many scenarios they can make. They got to be trading Yu-Gi-Oh cards by now.

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For some reason I can envision Thibs and Riley having heated Pokemon sessions.

[Norseman79]

If you’re looking for bang for your buck then Richardson is the guy. He’s locked up long term on a team friendly deal. That’s how you build a future. Okogie is a nice prospect but he’s not ready to play 30 minutes a night. He’s still an unknown at the NBA level.

It's fine if you have a lot of cap space to add someone like that and have options to add game changers(high priced players), but you're going to be locked in very soon where you won't have a chance to pay much to get another big player. Towns and Wiggins plus solid players probably aren't even a playoff team.

That is depending on what Towns and Wiggins actually turn into. If they reach their offensive potential and are surrounded with solid players who are good defenders and shooters (aka Josh Richardson), then they are definitely a playoff team. Point is, this team is tied to Wiggins and Towns no matter what...unless they get lucky in the draft.

[alabamawolf]

If you’re looking for bang for your buck then Richardson is the guy. He’s locked up long term on a team friendly deal. That’s how you build a future. Okogie is a nice prospect but he’s not ready to play 30 minutes a night. He’s still an unknown at the NBA level.

It's fine if you have a lot of cap space to add someone like that and have options to add game changers(high priced players), but you're going to be locked in very soon where you won't have a chance to pay much to get another big player. Towns and Wiggins plus solid players probably aren't even a playoff team.

This team is locked in its cap position for the foreseeable future. The Wolves will have little flexibility moving forward. I don’t think there’s anyway you can turn Richardson away. Hypothetically, if you trade Wiggins next off season and move Richardson to the 3, that’s almost $20 mil in cap you’re saving at that position. You get cap flexibility by shedding bad contracts and acquiring team friendly deals

[alabamawolf]

I believe Richardson would be a great wing pairing with Wiggins. He will bring the defensive intensity every night that you see from Butler but he won’t take shots away from Wiggins. He can spot up in the corner and he can attack the rim. He played PG his senior year of college so he’s comfortable with the ball in his hands too

[AirP.]

If you’re looking for bang for your buck then Richardson is the guy. He’s locked up long term on a team friendly deal. That’s how you build a future. Okogie is a nice prospect but he’s not ready to play 30 minutes a night. He’s still an unknown at the NBA level.

It's fine if you have a lot of cap space to add someone like that and have options to add game changers(high priced players), but you're going to be locked in very soon where you won't have a chance to pay much to get another big player. Towns and Wiggins plus solid players probably aren't even a playoff team.

This team is locked in its cap position for the foreseeable future. The Wolves will have little flexibility moving forward. I don’t think there’s anyway you can turn Richardson away. Hypothetically, if you trade Wiggins next off season and move Richardson to the 3, that’s almost $20 mil in cap you’re saving at that position. You get cap flexibility by shedding bad contracts and acquiring team friendly deals

Sure if Wiggins is moved but if Butler is moved you almost have to go all in on Wiggins even though I think it's a very small chance he becomes a decent value as a max player. I just don't know how you get a special player to Minnesota without drafting one.

[AirP.]

If you’re looking for bang for your buck then Richardson is the guy. He’s locked up long term on a team friendly deal. That’s how you build a future. Okogie is a nice prospect but he’s not ready to play 30 minutes a night. He’s still an unknown at the NBA level.

It's fine if you have a lot of cap space to add someone like that and have options to add game changers(high priced players), but you're going to be locked in very soon where you won't have a chance to pay much to get another big player. Towns and Wiggins plus solid players probably aren't even a playoff team.

That is depending on what Towns and Wiggins actually turn into. If they reach their offensive potential and are surrounded with solid players who are good defenders and shooters (aka Josh Richardson), then they are definitely a playoff team. Point is, this team is tied to Wiggins and Towns no matter what...unless they get lucky in the draft.

Are you counting on Wiggins becoming a good on defense and being efficient on offense? If he does that sure, I just don't think there's much of a chance of that happening but without Butler that's about the only chance of having a game changer next to Towns in Minnesota.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Heat and Wolves been negotiating for two weeks. There only so many scenarios they can make. They got to be trading Yu-Gi-Oh cards by now.

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Thisll all be settled by one thing and one thing only.

Thibs vs Riley in..

[Norseman79]

It's fine if you have a lot of cap space to add someone like that and have options to add game changers(high priced players), but you're going to be locked in very soon where you won't have a chance to pay much to get another big player. Towns and Wiggins plus solid players probably aren't even a playoff team.

That is depending on what Towns and Wiggins actually turn into. If they reach their offensive potential and are surrounded with solid players who are good defenders and shooters (aka Josh Richardson), then they are definitely a playoff team. Point is, this team is tied to Wiggins and Towns no matter what...unless they get lucky in the draft.

Are you counting on Wiggins becoming a good on defense and being efficient on offense? If he does that sure, I just don't think there's much of a chance of that happening but without Butler that's about the only chance of having a game changer next to Towns in Minnesota.

Am I counting on it? No. Is it possible, yes. Wiggins doesn't have to be good on defense though, just average. As far as efficient on offense, I would say that his efficiency will be directly tied to the system he is playing in.

[AirP.]

That is depending on what Towns and Wiggins actually turn into. If they reach their offensive potential and are surrounded with solid players who are good defenders and shooters (aka Josh Richardson), then they are definitely a playoff team. Point is, this team is tied to Wiggins and Towns no matter what...unless they get lucky in the draft.

Are you counting on Wiggins becoming a good on defense and being efficient on offense? If he does that sure, I just don't think there's much of a chance of that happening but without Butler that's about the only chance of having a game changer next to Towns in Minnesota.

Am I counting on it? No. Is it possible, yes. Wiggins doesn't have to be good on defense though, just average. As far as efficient on offense, I would say that his efficiency will be directly tied to the system he is playing in.

If Towns and Wiggins are both bad on defense you're screwed. Towns at least can rebound.

[alabamawolf]

I can bring a little analysis on Josh Richardson after watching him for 4 years at Tennessee. He came in as an athletic defender with no jump shot his freshman year. 2nd year he started developing his mid range game but his main role was defense. Junior year he expanded his range a little further out to the 3pt line, while inconsistent. He really blew up during the NCAA tournament that year and helped carry UT to the sweet sixteen while becoming a reliable scorer. Entering his senior year he was asked to play PG even though he had never played it before. He really developed his ball handling and became a reliable scorer every game. He has consistently improved his offense every single year while still being able to defend at a high level. I think he will become a good 3&d guy in the NBA. He's a great character kid who went through a lot at Tennessee. Even though he was a 4 year player he still has good upside

This was a post I made on the Heat board after they drafted Richardson. Minnesota will love this guy and I still think he has plenty of room to improve

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[moss_is_1]

Who plays backup Center if we trade Gorgui?

Hassan. Taj. Trolliver. Patton.

[Neeva]

Thibs lol