The Official Rudy Gobert Thread

[winforlose]

I agree that the price we paid for Gobert was high. But to me, it’s already been worth it.

Only one team wins the championship each year, so that doesn’t make the moves of the 29 teams, at least the playoff teams, “busts.” And yes, I agree that getting Ant into playoff experiences early is likely helping his development, and that of Jaden and Naz. But to me, the most important part of the Gobert trade was re-writing our image as the constant lottery team that no one wants to go to. Already we have seen benefits, with our best players wanting to stay here, and sometimes even taking less to stay in MIN. But we benefit by the national change in the way we are portrayed, perhaps even attracting free agents at some point. MIN is no longer a loser-franchise, and I don’t think we would have changed that opinion without Gobert.

I think the high price we paid was already worth it.

Do you include KAT in that price? Do you include losing NAW for nothing? Do you include the Dlo trade and its consequences for our future? My point is that before the trade we had picks, salary, and options. Now we are stuck in a very dangerous place, which only gets worse every year as Mike gets older and less useful. All our eggs are in the dilly basket, and it looks pretty flimsy right now.

[Klomp]

I agree that the price we paid for Gobert was high. But to me, it’s already been worth it.

Only one team wins the championship each year, so that doesn’t make the moves of the 29 teams, at least the playoff teams, “busts.” And yes, I agree that getting Ant into playoff experiences early is likely helping his development, and that of Jaden and Naz. But to me, the most important part of the Gobert trade was re-writing our image as the constant lottery team that no one wants to go to. Already we have seen benefits, with our best players wanting to stay here, and sometimes even taking less to stay in MIN. But we benefit by the national change in the way we are portrayed, perhaps even attracting free agents at some point. MIN is no longer a loser-franchise, and I don’t think we would have changed that opinion without Gobert.

I think the high price we paid was already worth it.

Do you include KAT in that price? Do you include losing NAW for nothing? Do you include the Dlo trade and its consequences for our future? My point is that before the trade we had picks, salary, and options. Now we are stuck in a very dangerous place, which only gets worse every year as Mike gets older and less useful. All our eggs are in the dilly basket, and it looks pretty flimsy right now.

You are correct, all of are eggs are in one place....that's being a winning franchise. That's what it really did. Rather than "having options" as a franchise that can easily swing between going for it and blowing it up, we've chosen to go for it on a yearly basis. Yeah, it means we don't have "assets" like cap space or draft picks, but we are going for it. And yet, we have still been able to make those "upside swings" that teams in the middle love, such as adding guys like Dillingham, Shannon and Beringer over the last two years.

[younggunsmn]

Keeping tally on the Gobert trade: looks like the real cost for now is Walker and a 2027 unprotected.

2023 draft - not a starter
2025 draft - we actually drafted ahead and would had traded out, could we had packaged the two to picks for Yang?
2026 draft swap - not likely or we end up with a good pick anyway
2029 - top 5 protected (rest Ant for 2028 season )
Players - all gone from Jazz but some of you may still regret including our 1st round pick Leandro Bolmaro

That’s like saying you have 20 dollars to spend on dinner, you buy Pizza for 16 so you saved 4 dollars. It ignores the fact that you owned the 20 and could have bought something else with it. If we traded Kessler (or better yet Moore,) and 4 firsts for a different C and a PG who knows where we would be. Any talk about the Rudy trade must include the KAT trade (one forces the other,) and therefore it automatically ends up being poor return on value.

Wrong scenario.

It's more like buying a high class work van with cryptocurrency to help your growing business. A bunch of people in the peanut gallery freak out because what if that crypto turns out to be the next Bitcoin? You could buy a whole other business in that case! While you calmly point out that you want to continue building your business now, don't want to rely solely on unguaranteed organic growth, and realistically that particular crypto is likely a meme coin.

Several years later and despite the best success your business has ever had, led in many ways by the steadiness of that van you bought, people are still going on about what you could have bought with the fictional, theoretical value of a crypto coin that is still, to this point, more Hawk Tuah than Ethereum.

They go on to complain that acquiring this van forced you to sell your top of the line Tesla Model X at below market rate, despite you pointing out that it was taking too much electricity to use and would have forced you to remove several other pieces of cheaper but important equipment. They also have no knowledge of the process you went through to sell it nor apparently what the market rate is for a car like that, but still criticise you because they personally valued it higher. They lament that the BYD Shark 6 you bought is cheaper and less impressive, despite it in many ways fitting in better into your business requirements than the Tesla, and completely dismiss the scooter you were also able to get that helps your staff more easily make deliveries in the local city. You even used the leftover cash on a scratch lottery ticket, and while you've only scratched one third of it it's currently showing the icons for the top prize so hey, who knows?

You're channeling Billy Madison at the academic decathlon here.
The Gobert puppy has lost its way.
But Ant is a dawg now so its okay.
I'm glad you paid Walker Kessler, ~40 mil a year in cap space, and 4 first round picks for your food truck.

But I would totally buy a Hawk Tuah coin.
The world needs more Hawk Tuah.
To paraphrase John Lennon,
"All that I'm saying, is give Hawk Tuah a chance."

[Klomp]

Note: You will NEVER hear Tim Connelly say this.

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[Neeva]

Poor Houston the Durant trade will not end well at all.

[KGdaBom]

Poor Houston the Durant trade will not end well at all.

I like the idea, but why?

[shrink]

I agree that the price we paid for Gobert was high. But to me, it’s already been worth it.

Only one team wins the championship each year, so that doesn’t make the moves of the 29 teams, at least the playoff teams, “busts.” And yes, I agree that getting Ant into playoff experiences early is likely helping his development, and that of Jaden and Naz. But to me, the most important part of the Gobert trade was re-writing our image as the constant lottery team that no one wants to go to. Already we have seen benefits, with our best players wanting to stay here, and sometimes even taking less to stay in MIN. But we benefit by the national change in the way we are portrayed, perhaps even attracting free agents at some point. MIN is no longer a loser-franchise, and I don’t think we would have changed that opinion without Gobert.

I think the high price we paid was already worth it.

Do you include KAT in that price? Do you include losing NAW for nothing? Do you include the Dlo trade and its consequences for our future? My point is that before the trade we had picks, salary, and options. Now we are stuck in a very dangerous place, which only gets worse every year as Mike gets older and less useful. All our eggs are in the dilly basket, and it looks pretty flimsy right now.

We were stuck in an even worse place before - a franchise that no one respected and no one wanted to play for.

I think it’s incorrect to say we don’t have options now. It’s just that those options aren’t draft picks, they are players and a future.

[Domejandro]

Poor Houston the Durant trade will not end well at all.

To be fair, they traded a net-negative Jalen Green, an adequate (albeit inefficient) starting Small-Forward, the #10 pick, and seconds for Kevin Durant and Clint Capela. They didn't trade much.

[KGdaBom]

Poor Houston the Durant trade will not end well at all.

To be fair, they traded a net-negative Jalen Green, an adequate (albeit inefficient) starting Small-Forward, the #10 pick, and seconds for Kevin Durant and Clint Capela. They didn't trade much.

It seemed like a no brainer deal for Houston to me. I hope Neeva explains his reasoning.

[shangrila]

That’s like saying you have 20 dollars to spend on dinner, you buy Pizza for 16 so you saved 4 dollars. It ignores the fact that you owned the 20 and could have bought something else with it. If we traded Kessler (or better yet Moore,) and 4 firsts for a different C and a PG who knows where we would be. Any talk about the Rudy trade must include the KAT trade (one forces the other,) and therefore it automatically ends up being poor return on value.

Wrong scenario.

It's more like buying a high class work van with cryptocurrency to help your growing business. A bunch of people in the peanut gallery freak out because what if that crypto turns out to be the next Bitcoin? You could buy a whole other business in that case! While you calmly point out that you want to continue building your business now, don't want to rely solely on unguaranteed organic growth, and realistically that particular crypto is likely a meme coin.

Several years later and despite the best success your business has ever had, led in many ways by the steadiness of that van you bought, people are still going on about what you could have bought with the fictional, theoretical value of a crypto coin that is still, to this point, more Hawk Tuah than Ethereum.

They go on to complain that acquiring this van forced you to sell your top of the line Tesla Model X at below market rate, despite you pointing out that it was taking too much electricity to use and would have forced you to remove several other pieces of cheaper but important equipment. They also have no knowledge of the process you went through to sell it nor apparently what the market rate is for a car like that, but still criticise you because they personally valued it higher. They lament that the BYD Shark 6 you bought is cheaper and less impressive, despite it in many ways fitting in better into your business requirements than the Tesla, and completely dismiss the scooter you were also able to get that helps your staff more easily make deliveries in the local city. You even used the leftover cash on a scratch lottery ticket, and while you've only scratched one third of it it's currently showing the icons for the top prize so hey, who knows?

Clever if a bit technical and confusing. Utterly false, but clever. You are arguing in good faith that no other possible trades involving all that draft capital could possibly have ended well. You are also arguing that even if we decided to move KAT the best we could ever do is Randle, DDV, and #17 in a bad draft. Rudy had a terrible playoff after a bad season. He is showing his age and starting a very bad contract. He might have two good years left, and we would be smart to move him again.

P.S you just saw us lose NAW for nothing, we have no starting or backup PG this season (38 year old Mike should be a good 3rd string, and Dilly would be a G leaguer after a year like last,) and we have almost no money to fix it. But who knows maybe in 5 years Joan will prove a project worth selling so ludicrously short on KAT (the one asset we could afford to trade to get the PGOF which we sold for a backup SG.)

I love that you openly admit you don't understand what I was saying, then still feel that you have a leg to stand on to criticise it.

[winforlose]

Wrong scenario.

It's more like buying a high class work van with cryptocurrency to help your growing business. A bunch of people in the peanut gallery freak out because what if that crypto turns out to be the next Bitcoin? You could buy a whole other business in that case! While you calmly point out that you want to continue building your business now, don't want to rely solely on unguaranteed organic growth, and realistically that particular crypto is likely a meme coin.

Several years later and despite the best success your business has ever had, led in many ways by the steadiness of that van you bought, people are still going on about what you could have bought with the fictional, theoretical value of a crypto coin that is still, to this point, more Hawk Tuah than Ethereum.

They go on to complain that acquiring this van forced you to sell your top of the line Tesla Model X at below market rate, despite you pointing out that it was taking too much electricity to use and would have forced you to remove several other pieces of cheaper but important equipment. They also have no knowledge of the process you went through to sell it nor apparently what the market rate is for a car like that, but still criticise you because they personally valued it higher. They lament that the BYD Shark 6 you bought is cheaper and less impressive, despite it in many ways fitting in better into your business requirements than the Tesla, and completely dismiss the scooter you were also able to get that helps your staff more easily make deliveries in the local city. You even used the leftover cash on a scratch lottery ticket, and while you've only scratched one third of it it's currently showing the icons for the top prize so hey, who knows?

Clever if a bit technical and confusing. Utterly false, but clever. You are arguing in good faith that no other possible trades involving all that draft capital could possibly have ended well. You are also arguing that even if we decided to move KAT the best we could ever do is Randle, DDV, and #17 in a bad draft. Rudy had a terrible playoff after a bad season. He is showing his age and starting a very bad contract. He might have two good years left, and we would be smart to move him again.

P.S you just saw us lose NAW for nothing, we have no starting or backup PG this season (38 year old Mike should be a good 3rd string, and Dilly would be a G leaguer after a year like last,) and we have almost no money to fix it. But who knows maybe in 5 years Joan will prove a project worth selling so ludicrously short on KAT (the one asset we could afford to trade to get the PGOF which we sold for a backup SG.)

I love that you openly admit you don't understand what I was saying, then still feel that you have a leg to stand on to criticise it.

I said, “Clever if a bit technical and confusing,” that doesn’t mean I don’t understand what you said. Your point is that Karl had to be moved to avoid moving other players like Naz, but you miss the fact we were already a 2nd apron team either way. We could have waited a year and made a KAT trade with the only consequence being money from the owners pocket. Your point that Karl was a bad fit (aside from being inconsistent with 23/24,) doesn’t justify trading him without getting a backup C to replace him. Nor does it address our dire need both then and now at PG. Most of you guys wanted to pretend that Mike at 36 and following a deep playoff run was gonna be excellent last year. Some of us, myself included, realized he would show his age/wear down. Your analogy wasn’t confusing because it makes no sense, it was confusing because it fails to address the larger issues. It wasn’t between the two types of electric vehicles, we could have bought any vehicle. That was the point of the dinner budget analogy. SMH, you took a bad post, inferred something incorrect about my response to it, ignored the content of my actual response, and then insult me with it.

[minimus]

I understand that off-season is boring, but can we discuss other topics rather than doom-and-gloom perception of Gobert trade?

[TimberKat]

I understand that off-season is boring, but can we discuss other topics rather than doom-and-gloom perception of Gobert trade?

I really want to see either Beal, Paul, Westbrook or Brogdon sign with us instead of Jordan Mclaughlin Please answer in the off season thread.

[WolfAddict]

I understand that off-season is boring, but can we discuss other topics rather than doom-and-gloom perception of Gobert trade?

In the Gobert thread...? Seems like as good a place as any to discuss it...

[minimus]

I understand that off-season is boring, but can we discuss other topics rather than doom-and-gloom perception of Gobert trade?

In the Gobert thread...? Seems like as good a place as any to discuss it...

Listen, it’s absolutely fine to discuss Gobert in the Gobert thread (I’ve even proposed multiple Gobert trades in other threads, lol). But I feel like the whole tone of the discussion has degraded into near panic.

Look at what the front office did this summer: instead of going into panic mode, they went in the complete opposite direction — betting on internal development, chemistry, and consistency.

In other words, it’s called faith. Panic is the opposite of faith; it’s fear.

And I really believe that fans shouldn’t be afraid.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

I understand that off-season is boring, but can we discuss other topics rather than doom-and-gloom perception of Gobert trade?

In the Gobert thread...? Seems like as good a place as any to discuss it...

Listen, it’s absolutely fine to discuss Gobert in the Gobert thread (I’ve even proposed multiple Gobert trades in other threads, lol). But I feel like the whole tone of the discussion has degraded into near panic.

Look at what the front office did this summer: instead of going into panic mode, they went in the complete opposite direction — betting on internal development, chemistry, and consistency.

In other words, it’s called faith. Panic is the opposite of faith; it’s fear.

And I really believe that fans shouldn’t be afraid.

+1000. Perfect resume. Last year it took us 40 games to find chemistry. This year we will be much better and with the young guys keep improving, we will be able to compete one more time. After if planet aligned.....

[shrink]

I understand that off-season is boring, but can we discuss other topics rather than doom-and-gloom perception of Gobert trade?

In the Gobert thread...? Seems like as good a place as any to discuss it...

True, but I guess my question would be, “What’s still left to discuss?” Did something change? Are anyone’s opinions suddenly different than they were before?

A good discussion involves new ideas, and new insights. Yeah, I could keep posting, “I still don’t like the Jarett Culver pick!!” but what’s the point, other than to make me feel like I have a captive audience for my complaining?

[fattymcgee]

Why do you guys waste your time arguing with winforlose? Either he is a troll or totally clueless. Either way you can't "argue" with that.

[Folklore]

Why do you guys waste your time arguing with winforlose? Either he is a troll or totally clueless. Either way you can't "argue" with that.

Why do people like you react by disrespecting others and try to discredit their views because you can't handle them? Instead, try being on topic and discuss back... or watch Velma.

[KGdaBom]

Why do you guys waste your time arguing with winforlose? Either he is a troll or totally clueless. Either way you can't "argue" with that.

W4L was and I hope still is my friend, but IMO he has gone off the deep end with his utter contempt for Finnelly and several of our players.