Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning

[KGdaBom]

While Randle might be our most tradeable piece, I think people underestimate how much value there is that Randle wants to be here, when the random players we put into trade proposals might not.

That's a great point...........................

On top of your head.

[Note30]

Can we still do a S&T at all this off-season?

can do sign/trade up until day the season/games start

Why aren't we doing a S&T for Giddey then?

DDV and Conley for Giddey.

If we get Beal to sign with us then we just became a way better team than last year?

Giddey/ Dillingham/ Clark
Edwards/Beal
McDaniels/TSJ
Randle/Reid
Gobert/Beringer

[MN7725]

Can we still do a S&T at all this off-season?

can do sign/trade up until day the season/games start

Why aren't we doing a S&T for Giddey then?

DDV and Conley for Giddey.

If we get Beal to sign with us then we just became a way better team than last year?

Giddey/ Dillingham/ Clark
Edwards/Beal
McDaniels/TSJ
Randle/Reid
Gobert/Beringer

Giddey is a RFA, Bulls have right to match any offer

[younggunsmn]

While Randle might be our most tradeable piece, I think people underestimate how much value there is that Randle wants to be here, when the random players we put into trade proposals might not.

I think Julius has about 100 million reasons to like it here that werent coming from any other team this summer.

But the point about this not being the first choice for players potentially being traded here is valid.
It certainly wasn't for Dante.

We kinda just kidnap players here when we draft or trade for them and hope they develop stockholm syndrome.

[KGdaBom]

Can we still do a S&T at all this off-season?

can do sign/trade up until day the season/games start

Why aren't we doing a S&T for Giddey then?

DDV and Conley for Giddey.

If we get Beal to sign with us then we just became a way better team than last year?

Giddey/ Dillingham/ Clark
Edwards/Beal
McDaniels/TSJ
Randle/Reid
Gobert/Beringer

Nothing came of Giddey's relationship with the girl of indeterminate age?

[Domejandro]

can do sign/trade up until day the season/games start

Why aren't we doing a S&T for Giddey then?

DDV and Conley for Giddey.

If we get Beal to sign with us then we just became a way better team than last year?

Giddey/ Dillingham/ Clark
Edwards/Beal
McDaniels/TSJ
Randle/Reid
Gobert/Beringer

Nothing came of Giddey's relationship with the girl of indeterminate age?

The TL;DR is that he met her at a club and didn’t consider checking ID because of the environment. It was irresponsible of him (we don’t know the details beyond that, it could be really bad or an honest **** up), but nothing came of it legally. Investigations by both the police and the NBA are long closed.

Not commenting on it beyond that, but those are the baseline facts from the limited amount that we know.

[Note30]

can do sign/trade up until day the season/games start

Why aren't we doing a S&T for Giddey then?

DDV and Conley for Giddey.

If we get Beal to sign with us then we just became a way better team than last year?

Giddey/ Dillingham/ Clark
Edwards/Beal
McDaniels/TSJ
Randle/Reid
Gobert/Beringer

Nothing came of Giddey's relationship with the girl of indeterminate age?

He wouldn't be in the NBA Id think if that was the case.

[Note30]

can do sign/trade up until day the season/games start

Why aren't we doing a S&T for Giddey then?

DDV and Conley for Giddey.

If we get Beal to sign with us then we just became a way better team than last year?

Giddey/ Dillingham/ Clark
Edwards/Beal
McDaniels/TSJ
Randle/Reid
Gobert/Beringer

Giddey is a RFA, Bulls have right to match any offer

Hence a sign and trade.

[Loaf_of_bread]

Giddy mention should be grounds for insta-ban.

[Note30]

Giddy mention should be grounds for insta-ban.

He's a good player and a PG what's your beef?

[Domejandro]

If he picked up his Qualifying Offer and there was an ugly trade demand situation, Minnesota should absolutely reach out. He would be an extraordinary fit on this roster. That said, in reality, both sides are just playing hardball, and something will get worked out between the two parties.

Regardless, Minnesota can't financially do a sign-and-trade, within reason. They would be hard-capped at the First Apron, which isn't happening.

[jpatrick]

Why aren't we doing a S&T for Giddey then?

DDV and Conley for Giddey.

If we get Beal to sign with us then we just became a way better team than last year?

Giddey/ Dillingham/ Clark
Edwards/Beal
McDaniels/TSJ
Randle/Reid
Gobert/Beringer

Giddey is a RFA, Bulls have right to match any offer

Hence a sign and trade.

Giddey is someone that needs to play with the ball in his hands to be effective. In OKC, he was flat out benched because he was so poor playing off the ball, which would be his role here. And he’s not terrible, but if he’s your primary initiator, you’re not winning anything. Plus, we are not paying him 30m. I don’t think anyone is offering him 30m.

[TimberKat]

While Randle might be our most tradeable piece, I think people underestimate how much value there is that Randle wants to be here, when the random players we put into trade proposals might not.

I think Julius has about 100 million reasons to like it here that werent coming from any other team this summer.

But the point about this not being the first choice for players potentially being traded here is valid.
It certainly wasn't for Dante.

We kinda just kidnap players here when we draft or trade for them and hope they develop stockholm syndrome.

When the finally develope Stockholm syndrome, we release them to the wild (aka Towns).

[Loaf_of_bread]

Giddy mention should be grounds for insta-ban.

He's a good player and a PG what's your beef?

Dude is an unreliable 3pt shooter... so much so he can be a HUGE liability in the playoffs. While he has improved his shot, we pretty much singled him out so much so that okc couldn't play him against us.

Dude has ZERO PLAYOFF experience. Plays for a crappy team.

Also, is considered decent now. If regular season play is of importance, ok, JGiddey is a good nba player with modest potential. I just don't like him as a playoff player.

[winforlose]

While Randle might be our most tradeable piece, I think people underestimate how much value there is that Randle wants to be here, when the random players we put into trade proposals might not.

I think Julius has about 100 million reasons to like it here that werent coming from any other team this summer.

But the point about this not being the first choice for players potentially being traded here is valid.
It certainly wasn't for Dante.

We kinda just kidnap players here when we draft or trade for them and hope they develop stockholm syndrome.

When the finally develope Stockholm syndrome, we release them to the wild (aka Towns).

Tell that to Mike Conley or NAW. Mike had been to exactly one WCF in his entire career before being a Wolf. He made the playoffs all 3 years with us and two of those were WCF finals appearances. If he can stay active even as a third string he might win a ring here. NAW’s career was on life support in Utah. Now he just got paid 4/62 or 15.5 million per year. It isn’t all bad here.

[Note30]

Giddy mention should be grounds for insta-ban.

He's a good player and a PG what's your beef?

Dude is an unreliable 3pt shooter... so much so he can be a HUGE liability in the playoffs. While he has improved his shot, we pretty much singled him out so much so that okc couldn't play him against us.

Dude has ZERO PLAYOFF experience. Plays for a crappy team.

Also, is considered decent now. If regular season play is of importance, ok, JGiddey is a good nba player with modest potential. I just don't like him as a playoff player.

He hasn't been on OKC for a year. And his fit for OKC wasn't the best.

I don't think he's worth a $30M price tag. $22M tho? For just DDV and Conley?

We need a starting PG. He's tall, can facilitate, and is an improving player.

We're not gonna get a long term solution there easy.
Now maybe Dillingham turns out to be amazing.

But we're still sometime from it happening.

Is he the answer? I don't know, but we can't have a hole at PG. Its a really important position.

So it's at least worth a discussion. Esp if that convinces Beal to sign here. I think that's actually a squad that can beat OKC next year.

[winforlose]

He's a good player and a PG what's your beef?

Dude is an unreliable 3pt shooter... so much so he can be a HUGE liability in the playoffs. While he has improved his shot, we pretty much singled him out so much so that okc couldn't play him against us.

Dude has ZERO PLAYOFF experience. Plays for a crappy team.

Also, is considered decent now. If regular season play is of importance, ok, JGiddey is a good nba player with modest potential. I just don't like him as a playoff player.

He hasn't been on OKC for a year. And his fit for OKC wasn't the best.

I don't think he's worth a $30M price tag. $22M tho? For just DDV and Conley?

We need a starting PG. He's tall, can facilitate, and is an improving player.

We're not gonna get a long term solution there easy.
Now maybe Dillingham turns out to be amazing.

But we're still sometime from it happening.

Is he the answer? I don't know, but we can't have a hole at PG. Its a really important position.

So it's at least worth a discussion. Esp if that convinces Beal to sign here. I think that's actually a squad that can beat OKC next year.

Putting aside the non basketball problems with Giddey, we literally cannot make that trade. To accept a player via sign and trade triggers a hardcap at the first apron, and we have too much salary to accept that. I did the math and excluding Joan (whose salary I don’t know off hand,) and excluding Mike and DDV we are paying $173,127,688 to 10 players (again no Joan, Mike, DDV.) The first apron max is $195,945,000. So we need 4 more players and have $22,817,311.99 to do it with. The math doesn’t work.

[shrink]

We kinda just kidnap players here when we draft or trade for them and hope they develop stockholm syndrome.

When they finally develop Stockholm syndrome, we release them to the wild (aka Towns).

Tell that to Mike Conley or NAW. Mike had been to exactly one WCF in his entire career before being a Wolf. He made the playoffs all 3 years with us and two of those were WCF finals appearances. If he can stay active even as a third string he might win a ring here. NAW’s career was on life support in Utah. Now he just got paid 4/62 or 15.5 million per year. It isn’t all bad here.

younggunsmn is right. For most of our existence, no free agent wanted to come here. There are some players that want rings, some that want competent coaching or front office, and some that buys into the national hype that Minnesota is in northern Alaska, because the only time they’ve been here is on cold February nights. Our best free agent signing was Kyle Anderson - that’s horrible. Even in the KG era, MIN needed to overpay, or make contracts overly long, to even have mediocre talent like Troy Hudson. Front offices have been wise to not be a cap space team, because we can’t lure top players here in free agency.

I wonder though if things are changing now, as the Wolves have achieved a level of competency and success with Finch. In the past, YGMN is right, once players have been on the team, many want to stay .. but these players always wanted expensive contracts. That hasn’t been the case lately. While Naz and Randle got paid this season, many of the previous deals were under-market because the player actually wanted to be here! Naz rejected free agency two years ago. NAW liked having a role here. Gobert took a pay cut to add years. Jaden’s deal is likely a little cheap, he wanted the extra years here. Even Ant, who could have done any deal, (I expected the traditional superstar deal of three years and a player option on year 4), Ant chose a five year deal with no player option. For the first time in franchise history, our players are willing to sacrifice a little to be a Timberwolf.

I am curious if this change will be reflected in free agency. By most metrics, MIN might be a good place to go for a player that wants to compete in the playoffs. The team will get national spotlight, which might attract a player that wants to showcase himself for the next deal. And there are clear team needs that a player could help with. Would this attract a player of the caliber of a Chris Paul, a Dame Lillard, or a Bradley Beal? It never would have before, but for the first time ever, it isn’t a ridiculous notion.

[Norseman79]

I still think figuring out a way to move Randle for Dejounte Murray and fill is the right route.

MN out: Randle
In: Murray and draft picks

Pho in: Randle, H Jones
Out: Beal

NO: in Beal
Out: Murray, Jones, draft picks

PG - Murray, Conley, Dilly
SG - Edwards, DD, Clark
SF - McDaniels, TSJ, Ingles
PF - Reid, Miller, vet min FA
C - Gobert, Beringer, Rocco

[KGdaBom]

I still think figuring out a way to move Randle for Dejounte Murray and fill is the right route.

MN out: Randle
In: Murray and draft picks

Pho in: Randle, H Jones
Out: Beal

NO: in Beal
Out: Murray, Jones, draft picks

PG - Murray, Conley, Dilly
SG - Edwards, DD, Clark
SF - McDaniels, TSJ, Ingles
PF - Reid, Miller, vet min FA
C - Gobert, Beringer, Rocco

Last I checked Dejounte was a better player than Randle so I wouldn't expect us to get him plus draft picks. Maybe his game declined in the last year or two. I'd be happy to have him if he's the player I remember.