2016 draft thread: Part 2

[NewWolvesOrder]

Could Dunn improve significantly like Lowry has? Yes, but it's a huge gamble if you're counting on that.

Dunn is already at 37%, he doesn't need to improve significantly.

Disagree. He was 0% from the corner and 25% from the left elbow. He can't just park in one spot in the NBA. He's also pretty bad from mid-range, too, fwiw.

Can you post Hield's shot chart for comparison?

[jpatrick]

We don't know how Thibs will run the front office, but I wonder if all the Dunn talk, first from Doogie and then supposedly Dunn's camp, is just a smokescreen.

I like Dunn, don't love him. Would be okay if we picked him. But maybe this is a way to throw people off our interest of another player. It could also all be purely coming from Dunn's camp in hopes of getting a team that really likes him (Kings?) to trade up.

[Dan's with the Wolves]

Could Dunn improve significantly like Lowry has? Yes, but it's a huge gamble if you're counting on that.

Dunn is already at 37%, he doesn't need to improve significantly.

Disagree. He was 0% from the corner and 25% from the left elbow. He can't just park in one spot in the NBA. He's also pretty bad from mid-range, too, fwiw.

This chart shows Dunn's appeal and his faults
58% at the rim combined right and left. 61/105. (Not since Marbury)
48.8 % (20/41)beyond the arch on the straight away and right side combined shows you could use rubio and dunn together and park dunn outside the arch as a floor spacer on the right side.

[NewWolvesOrder]

It shows that he finishes only with one hand, and doesn't use his other one at all. Which is a weakness that can be exploited.

[SmokeyPaw]

A combined 2 attempts from the corners, I have to think that's a function of the offense.
I'd be interested to see what his spot up percentage is, in the games I watched he seemed to take a decent amount off the dribble which would lead to a lower percentage.
I will say his FT percentage doesn't inspire confidence that he'll be a great shooter in the NBA.

Dunn shot a lot of the bounce. Stats below from hoops math.

Player-------- 3FG% %Assisted 3s
Jamal Murray--- 40.8 89.4
Wade Baldwin-- 40.8 72.5
Buddy Hield--- - 45.5 67.8
Kris Dunn-------- 37.2 52.4

[Takingbaconback]

It shows that he finishes only with one hand, and doesn't use his other one at all. Which is a weakness that can be exploited.

Compared to what? PG who is so bad at scoring that he is somehow immune to exploitation?

[southern wolf]

http://www.todaysfastbreak.com/fastbreak-news/kris-dunn-reportedly-wants-play-minnesota-will-dodge-suns/

[C.lupus]

Dunn is already at 37%, he doesn't need to improve significantly.

Disagree. He was 0% from the corner and 25% from the left elbow. He can't just park in one spot in the NBA. He's also pretty bad from mid-range, too, fwiw.

Can you post Hield's shot chart for comparison?

[Grits n Gravy]

They have obviously messed up the right hand paint shots surely. Buddy took 4 all season and Dunn took 6? Don't buy it. Were these shot chart made part way through the season? Because Dunn took 411 shots this year including 113 threes and I don't count that many on that chart.

Buddy's shot chart has 97 three attempts while he shot 322 this year.

[C.lupus]

Hmm, I didn't notice that. Something isn't right. It says 2015-16 season but you're right, they are missing close to half the shots.

Got it from here: http://vorped.com/4-ncaam/2015-2016/player/4397/kris-dunn/shotchart/

[Neeva]

A combined 2 attempts from the corners, I have to think that's a function of the offense.
I'd be interested to see what his spot up percentage is, in the games I watched he seemed to take a decent amount off the dribble which would lead to a lower percentage.
I will say his FT percentage doesn't inspire confidence that he'll be a great shooter in the NBA.

Dunn shot a lot of the bounce. Stats below from hoops math.

Player-------- 3FG% %Assisted 3s
Jamal Murray--- 40.8 89.4
Wade Baldwin-- 40.8 72.5
Buddy Hield--- - 45.5 67.8
Kris Dunn-------- 37.2 52.4

Compare Murray's freshmen numbers to Hields and Dunn's freshmen numbers and it's laughable.
It would be a huge mistake to take either of those two over Murray.
Murray has a ton of room to grow, he has already put up huge numbers in international play and could potential be the second or even best player in this draft down the line. I think Simmons will be a bust in Philly.

[wildvikeswolves]

First time in a while I agree with Klomp about something. Dunn is just as well of a fit as Heild or Murray. He doesn't bring near the three point shooting, but it would be nice to have someone that can run the 2nd unit and at the same time could guard the 2 guard if he's playing with Ricky.

As I've always said I'm happy with Bender/Murray/Dunn/ or Hield. Bender being my first choice.

So no matter what I'll be happy as long as Brown or Ellenson isn't the pick basically

[Worm Guts]

A combined 2 attempts from the corners, I have to think that's a function of the offense.
I'd be interested to see what his spot up percentage is, in the games I watched he seemed to take a decent amount off the dribble which would lead to a lower percentage.
I will say his FT percentage doesn't inspire confidence that he'll be a great shooter in the NBA.

Dunn shot a lot of the bounce. Stats below from hoops math.

Player-------- 3FG% %Assisted 3s
Jamal Murray--- 40.8 89.4
Wade Baldwin-- 40.8 72.5
Buddy Hield--- - 45.5 67.8
Kris Dunn-------- 37.2 52.4

Compare Murray's freshmen numbers to Hields and Dunn's freshmen numbers and it's laughable.
It would be a huge mistake to take either of those two over Murray.
Murray has a ton of room to grow, he has already put up huge numbers in international play and could potential be the second or even best player in this draft down the line. I think Simmons will be a bust in Philly.

It's a valid point, but Murray is also easily the worst physical prospect of the group. The least size and the least athleticism.

[Saltine]

Buddy's real shot chart;


Many of those are from way behind the line...

[Klomp]

First time in a while I agree with Klomp about something.

I knew I liked you...

[Neeva]

Dunn shot a lot of the bounce. Stats below from hoops math.

Player-------- 3FG% %Assisted 3s
Jamal Murray--- 40.8 89.4
Wade Baldwin-- 40.8 72.5
Buddy Hield--- - 45.5 67.8
Kris Dunn-------- 37.2 52.4

Compare Murray's freshmen numbers to Hields and Dunn's freshmen numbers and it's laughable.
It would be a huge mistake to take either of those two over Murray.
Murray has a ton of room to grow, he has already put up huge numbers in international play and could potential be the second or even best player in this draft down the line. I think Simmons will be a bust in Philly.

It's a valid point, but Murray is also easily the worst physical prospect of the group. The least size and the least athleticism.

It's exactly that kind of thinking that made the Timberwolves pass up the lacking in size/explosiveness/quickness Stephen Curry.
Murray is already a better shooter than Dunn and had he stayed in college up to his senior year he would put up better numbers than Heild too.

[Klomp]

Compare Murray's freshmen numbers to Hields and Dunn's freshmen numbers and it's laughable.
It would be a huge mistake to take either of those two over Murray.
Murray has a ton of room to grow, he has already put up huge numbers in international play and could potential be the second or even best player in this draft down the line. I think Simmons will be a bust in Philly.

So, you're saying that Murray will be better than Dunn and Hield because he had better numbers than them as a freshman? I guess we should trade Towns for Okafor then. Their college freshman numbers are proof that Okafor will be a much better player, after all...

[Klomp]

It's exactly that kind of thinking that made the Timberwolves pass up the lacking in size/explosiveness/quickness Stephen Curry.

Really? We passed on the "lacking in size" 6'2" Stephen Curry in favor for the 5'11.25" Jonny Flynn, so I don't see how that argument/comparison holds weight.

[Takingbaconback]

http://vorped.com/1-nba/2015-2016/player/1802/zach-lavine/shotchart/

LaVine has a pretty dam good shot chart for a 21 year old in the NBA, almost 2 years younger than Hield.

[Worm Guts]

Compare Murray's freshmen numbers to Hields and Dunn's freshmen numbers and it's laughable.
It would be a huge mistake to take either of those two over Murray.
Murray has a ton of room to grow, he has already put up huge numbers in international play and could potential be the second or even best player in this draft down the line. I think Simmons will be a bust in Philly.

It's a valid point, but Murray is also easily the worst physical prospect of the group. The least size and the least athleticism.

It's exactly that kind of thinking that made the Timberwolves pass up the lacking in size/explosiveness/quickness Stephen Curry.
Murray is already a better shooter than Dunn and had he stayed in college up to his senior year he would put up better numbers than Heild too.

That may be true for the specific case of Curry, but it doesn't always turn out that way. I think Murray has to be a Curry or Ray Allen type of shooter to be a great player. He's not going to be a great defender, he's not great at attacking the basket. Maybe he has some PG skills that he didn't show at Kentucky, but it's tough to draft him assuming that.