Trade Talk (Part Four)

[Mattya]

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[Mattya]

Something around Culver, #17, Johnson, Layman for Dipo and McDermott would be a solid low cost trade. Risky with free agency for Dipo, but a core of Towns, DLo, Dipo, and #1 would be pretty strong.

[shrink]

Wizop, a veteran Pacer poster from the Trade Board, asked if MIN would accept Oladipo for #17 and a rotation big.

I think that’s the right price. The upside of Oladipo is appealing, but he costs $20 mil next year, and he’s a UFA, and who knows where he will be in his recovery from injury. That’s a lot of uncertainty.

I would imagine the offer is #17, James Johnson, and Omari Spellman or #33. And I might gamble and do that, at that price. For now, MIN is not going to be a big free agent destination, and we need some access to have a chance at All Star-level talent. Sure, he might not get back there, and we’d struggle with giving him the right contract for the future. Heck, even if he comes back all the way, we might not be able to keep him if he wants to go elsewhere. But we need a chance to get star talent.

[Baseline81]

Is ScoopB reliable? I've seen a few of his tweets in the past. Not one came came to fruition.

[Mattya]

Is ScoopB reliable? I've seen a few of his tweets in the past. Not one came came to fruition.

I’ve never heard of him, but I see nothing surprising in the tweet.

[KGdaBom]

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It shows we place a high value on the #1 if we won't trade it for Dipo. Does he just have one year remaining?

[Mattya]

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It shows we place a high value on the #1 if we won't trade it for Dipo. Does he just have one year remaining?

Yes, it is somewhat similar to the Butler trade. Dipo hasn’t demanded a trade but there have been rumblings he might leave, then you consider the injury history. I don’t see why it would take anything drastically different than what Butler brought back.

[wolves_89]

I like Oladipo and think he would be a good fit for the Wolves. The problem is he carries way too much risk to give up much in the way of assets. He's coming off a major injury, is in the last year of his contract, and there is a decent chance he would leave in free agency. With teams that have a much better chance at re-signing him (like the Nets and Heat) in the mix I can't see the Wolves being the high bidder for him.

[Domejandro]

Wizop, a veteran Pacer poster from the Trade Board, asked if MIN would accept Oladipo for #17 and a rotation big.

I think that’s the right price. The upside of Oladipo is appealing, but he costs $20 mil next year, and he’s a UFA, and who knows where he will be in his recovery from injury. That’s a lot of uncertainty.

I would imagine the offer is #17, James Johnson, and Omari Spellman or #33. And I might gamble and do that, at that price. For now, MIN is not going to be a big free agent destination, and we need some access to have a chance at All Star-level talent. Sure, he might not get back there, and we’d struggle with giving him the right contract for the future. Heck, even if he comes back all the way, we might not be able to keep him if he wants to go elsewhere. But we need a chance to get star talent.

I think another team would beat that trade, and the discussion would end up being James Johnson, Jarrett Culver, and #17 for Victor Oladipo. Hard to say if that is worth it, but it is a risk I can 100% see Rosas making.

[minimus]

If it is James Johnson and #17 for Victor Oladipo, I'd accept this trade in a heartbeat.

KAT-Dipo-DLo is a good core to build around. He just fit so well as a defender, slasher and combo-guard. However, his contract situation is very tricky. If he cant stay healthy - we will waste assets to acquire him, if he stays healthy and outperforms, he will ask for a max contract.

If it is possible, I'd try to negotiate his contract extension before 20-21 season, starting offer ~ 100mil/4yrs, final offer 100mil/3yrs (last year - team option).

[Domejandro]

If it is James Johnson and #17 for Victor Oladipo, I'd accept this trade in a heartbeat.

That is the issue, though, that is basically nothing. Really no strong incentive for Indiana to pull the trigger on that, even with Oladipo's really rough performances since coming back from his injury. I think the hold up would be Jarrett Culver, in all honesty.

[minimus]

If it is James Johnson and #17 for Victor Oladipo, I'd accept this trade in a heartbeat.

That is the issue, though, that is basically nothing. Really no strong incentive for Indiana to pull the trigger on that, even with Oladipo's really rough performances since coming back from his injury. I think the hold up would be Jarrett Culver, in all honesty.

Yeah, I know. That James Johnson and #17 is a weak offer. I'd try to consolidate our small assets, for instance, James Johnson, #17, #33, Nowell.

[Rookie-Mistake]

I see JJ mentioned in a lot of trade ideas, am I in the minority thinking that trading him is a bad idea? I feel as though he rounded us out as a team, tough player and fit the team like a glove.

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[minimus]

I see JJ mentioned in a lot of trade ideas, am I in the minority thinking that trading him is a bad idea? I feel as though he rounded us out as a team, tough player and fit the team like a glove.

I have been wondering whether we can re-work JJ contract and keep him for 2 yrs more. But Rosas was not afraid to trade RoCo, who has much better contract, fits very well as 3&D. If Rosas and Gupta see a possibility to improve this roster, they will trade JJ.

[Klomp]

Regarding Oladipo, he's gotten worse both in volume and efficiency numbers over his time in Indiana. I know injury was partly to blame this year, but it's also an older player entering a contract year, so we'd have to be confident in his ability to return to form in order to give up what it might take to get him.

[Klomp]

I see JJ mentioned in a lot of trade ideas, am I in the minority thinking that trading him is a bad idea? I feel as though he rounded us out as a team, tough player and fit the team like a glove.

While I certainly understand that viewpoint, his higher pricepoint makes him a valuable asset because he's one of the only pieces we could use to fetch a higher-priced star player since you have to match salaries to within a range of each other in trades. He's also 33 and will be 34 by the end of next season.....how much more could we reasonably get from him as a player?

[minimus]

Regarding Oladipo, he's gotten worse both in volume and efficiency numbers over his time in Indiana. I know injury was partly to blame this year, but it's also an older player entering a contract year, so we'd have to be confident in his ability to return to form in order to give up what it might take to get him.

It is a tough situation foк IND as well. They are small-market team, they always work hard and are tough matchup in playoffs. However, they gave contracts to Sabonis, Turner and Brogdon. They also have Warren and Lamb under contracts. They dont have much resources to improve and the next Oladipo contract will be difficult to manage unless they make some roster changes.

[Neeva]

If it is James Johnson and #17 for Victor Oladipo, I'd accept this trade in a heartbeat.

That is the issue, though, that is basically nothing. Really no strong incentive for Indiana to pull the trigger on that, even with Oladipo's really rough performances since coming back from his injury. I think the hold up would be Jarrett Culver, in all honesty.

Culver would thrive in indiana, we would regret this trade for years.

[Klomp]

If it is James Johnson and #17 for Victor Oladipo, I'd accept this trade in a heartbeat.

That is the issue, though, that is basically nothing. Really no strong incentive for Indiana to pull the trigger on that, even with Oladipo's really rough performances since coming back from his injury. I think the hold up would be Jarrett Culver, in all honesty.

Culver would thrive in indiana, we would regret this trade for years.

Would he? With a coaching change, we don't really know what they'll play like.

[Wolveswin]

Has Isaac been talked about in this thread?

Despite his injury and injury history, his defense is ideal next to Wolves. And if you believe some reports, Wolves are really planning for future and not all-in on 2020/21 season.

Bulls Give: LaVine + #4
Bulls Get: #1 Overall + J. Johnson
Bulls Reasoning: if they see Edwards or Ball as difference maker worth trading up at cost of LaVine. I also don’t think they are a team rather wanting Isaac being they have Markkanen (both who need new contracts). Bulls would also have a ton of expiring contracts and options (call up Warriors offering Johnson or bigger deal taking on Wiggins for Porter Jr.).

Magic Give: Isaac + Aminu
Magic Get: LaVine + Vanderbilt + #17
Magic Reasoning: they seem like a team fine with making 8th seed of playoffs and not wanting to tear it down. LaVine gives them more firepower and a fairly dangerous team in East.
Vucevic
Gordon
Fournier
LaVine
Fultz
With Ross as 6th man.

Wolves Give: #1 Overall + #17 + J. Johnson + Vanderbilt
Wolves Get: #4 Overall + Isaac + Aminu
Wolves Reasoning: trade back to #4 for a player Rosas really likes anyway (Avdjia?). Isaac can mend all year with Wolves being deep at PF.
Towns
Hernangomez | Spellman | Aminu | Layman
Culver | #4?
Beasley | Okogie
Russell