Question From A Nets Fan

[Preludepunk27]

Hey guys, I wanted to pick your brains for a minute because I'm curious about a few things.

If you guys land the #1 pick, who is the majority of the board leaning toward drafting? If you guys draft 2-5 I was wondering who most of you want. I know 2-5 is a broad question in this years draft, but I was looking to see who you guys are really hoping for.

Basically most Nets fans obviously want John Wall, but we have intense discussions about Turner, Cousins and Wes Johnson as well.

I just had a question though, if you guys want John Wall and the Nets land the #1 pick. Say you guys pick 3-5 somewhere, what do you think is the fair price for the T'Wolves to trade up to #1 and we land that 1st rounder and Rubio. I'm just asking because if you guys wanted Wall, I couldn't see you honestly keeping Rubio's rights, Wall and Johnny Flynn. I'm basically asking, what else would you need besides our #1 for Rubio and your pick (#3-5). You guys have a few picks this year and we have Dallas's and the first pick in the 2nd round which a lot of people like because you don't have to make a guaranteed commitment but still getting a decent talent. The name Brook, Terrence and Courtney would probably get a polite "No thank you" from Rod Thorn if mentioned.

Anyway, I was just curious. Take care guys.

[shrink]

So many questions!

First, I think that at this point, it looks like any team that has a hard time drawing would pick John Wall. He'll be the media darling, with his picture accompanying any article on the lottery, the work outs, the measurements, the interviews, and the draft. This would bring in renewed interest and attract new customer sales. Oh yeah, and he probably has the best chance to be a superstar basketball player.

The #2 guy around here is Turner. I don't think there is a great deal of disagreement there, as he is a terrific fit for our needs. #3-5 are more questionable. If we traded Al Jefferson (any interest?), those bigs would look more appealing.

David Kahn is understandably high on Ricky Rubio, and feels he can be a "transformational" player. I know this doesn't answer your question precisely, but if MIN tragically got a 3-5 pick, I agree they may try to trade up to 1 or 2, but 1 is probably cost prohibitive. I think trading for #2 is far more likely.

[FaheyFM]

The name Brook, Terrence and Courtney would probably get a polite "No thank you" from Rod Thorn if mentioned.

Once that is said, David Kahn would return the "favor" with a less than polite response.

[Foye]

1. John Wall
2. Evan Turner
3. Derrick Favors
4. Wes Johnson
5. DeMarcus Cousins
6. Al-Farouq Aminu
7. Cole Aldrich
8. Greg Monroe
9. Xavier Henry
10. Hassan Whiteside
11. Ed Davis
12. Jan Vesely
13. Donatas Motiejunas
14. Elias Harris
15. Larry Sanders

That's the result of our last board mock draft.

Add maybe a lottery protected future 1st and I'm in.

[The J Rocka]

My question is if we get the first pick and the Nets get second pick, would they trade us the second pick for Love/Flynn or Rubio/picks?

[Preludepunk27]

The name Brook, Terrence and Courtney would probably get a polite "No thank you" from Rod Thorn if mentioned.

Once that is said, David Kahn would return the "favor" with a less than polite response.

Thanks for your responses so far everyone, but I got a chuckle out of this one. I know my comment may have been harsh, but you can't believe that if we trade down, we feel that Brook for basically Rubio is fair. You could make a good argument for Courtney Lee and Dallas's pick for Rubio (and I'd honestly agree with you) but I included him because our management is really high on him. After the way T-Will has been playing the last month and a half, I'd honestly say he's the 2nd most untouchable Net on our roster now we're finally seeing what this kid can do. I do apologize if my comment was taken the wrong way though. Management would let CDR go for cheap though too I believe.

Either way, I was just curious what would be a fair offer for us to trade down if we landed #1 and wanted Rubio and your pick. Depending on who took who, we may rather be more interested in Kevin Love/your pick but I'm not touching that discussion now because I feel that would be more of a draft night trade depending on who was picked and who was still available at Minny's pick if it's lower than ours.

[LordBaldric]

The name Brook, Terrence and Courtney would probably get a polite "No thank you" from Rod Thorn if mentioned.

Once that is said, David Kahn would return the "favor" with a less than polite response.

Thanks for your responses so far everyone, but I got a chuckle out of this one. I know my comment may have been harsh, but you can't believe that if we trade down, we feel that Brook for basically Rubio is fair. You could make a good argument for Courtney Lee and Dallas's pick for Rubio (and I'd honestly agree with you) but I included him because our management is really high on him. After the way T-Will has been playing the last month and a half, I'd honestly say he's the 2nd most untouchable Net on our roster now we're finally seeing what this kid can do. I do apologize if my comment was taken the wrong way though. Management would let CDR go for cheap though too I believe.

Either way, I was just curious what would be a fair offer for us to trade down if we landed #1 and wanted Rubio and your pick. Depending on who took who, we may rather be more interested in Kevin Love/your pick but I'm not touching that discussion now because I feel that would be more of a draft night trade depending on who was picked and who was still available at Minny's pick if it's lower than ours.

Courtney Lee and a late first rounder for Rubio? Seriously? Could you be any more of a homer?

[FaheyFM]

The name Brook, Terrence and Courtney would probably get a polite "No thank you" from Rod Thorn if mentioned.

Once that is said, David Kahn would return the "favor" with a less than polite response.

Thanks for your responses so far everyone, but I got a chuckle out of this one. I know my comment may have been harsh, but you can't believe that if we trade down, we feel that Brook for basically Rubio is fair. You could make a good argument for Courtney Lee and Dallas's pick for Rubio (and I'd honestly agree with you) but I included him because our management is really high on him. After the way T-Will has been playing the last month and a half, I'd honestly say he's the 2nd most untouchable Net on our roster now we're finally seeing what this kid can do. I do apologize if my comment was taken the wrong way though. Management would let CDR go for cheap though too I believe.

Either way, I was just curious what would be a fair offer for us to trade down if we landed #1 and wanted Rubio and your pick. Depending on who took who, we may rather be more interested in Kevin Love/your pick but I'm not touching that discussion now because I feel that would be more of a draft night trade depending on who was picked and who was still available at Minny's pick if it's lower than ours.

That comment was guided more towards including Lee and Williams in that discussion. There's no question that Lopez is a more valuable, and proven, asset than Rubio at this point. However, there's no GM in Basketball that wouldn't swap either Lee or Williams for Rubio.

[Mattya]

That courtney lee and dallas pick, is probably the worst offer for Rubio I have ever seen. I know you are trying to come in peace, but its hard to take you seriously after that. As for your questions, If we got the number 1 pick, we would probably take John Wall, and field all offers for everyone on the team. If the Nets got the number 1, I don't think the wolves are going to trade Rubio and their pick to get him. Yes John Wall has more value than Rubio, but the Wolves have more pressing issues then point guard, so you probably aren't going to get blow you away offers from the Wolves for John Wall. Especially if they get the 2nd pick. I don't think the two teams are great trade partners honestly.

[horaceworthy]

Thanks for your responses so far everyone, but I got a chuckle out of this one. I know my comment may have been harsh, but you can't believe that if we trade down, we feel that Brook for basically Rubio is fair. You could make a good argument for Courtney Lee and Dallas's pick for Rubio (and I'd honestly agree with you) but I included him because our management is really high on him. After the way T-Will has been playing the last month and a half, I'd honestly say he's the 2nd most untouchable Net on our roster now we're finally seeing what this kid can do. I do apologize if my comment was taken the wrong way though. Management would let CDR go for cheap though too I believe.

Can you believe that we'd feel that Rubio for basically Courtney Lee or Terrence Williams is fair (although looking at the Rubio for Lee/#27 I guess you might)? Do you personally feel that the difference between Wall and Turner is so great that Rubio should be swapped for one of those two to make up for it? Rubio's probably our most untouchable player, and we don't even know for certain if he'll ever play here.

[lobishome]

Last night on the spanish TV, the narrator of the Wolves-Lakers, Antoni Daimiel, a trustable spanish basket expert, said this :

2009 Draft : when the Grizzlies picked 2# Thabeet, Dan Fegan, who was sitted with Rubio and his family, received a call on his telephone from somebody of Timberwolves, who said him something like this :

"If Oklahoma and Sacramento don't pick Rubio, then we will do it. You must be quiet because we know that he will stay in Spain one year at least".

Everybody knows the rest of the story . Then, Preludepunk27, forget Rubio because Kahn didn't pissed the Wolves fans one year for to do a bad trade now.

[shrink]

Courtney Lee and a late first rounder for Rubio? Seriously? Could you be any more of a homer?

I believe he means that as the second half of a trade. For example

#4 + Rubio for #1 + Lee + DAL 1st

[Klomp]

Everybody knows the rest of the story . Then, Preludepunk27, forget Rubio because Kahn didn't pissed the Wolves fans one year for to do a bad trade now.

What does this even mean?

[horaceworthy]

I think lobo means that Kahn didn't frustrate Wolves fans by making them wait for their top 5 pick just to make a bad trade involving Rubio now.

[Slum_Dillinger]

I thought he was trying to say that Kahn has been pissing on Wolves fans R.Kelly style to try and make us forget about Rubio.

I know if Im getting urinated on Rubio is one of the last things on my mind.

[lobishome]

What does this even mean?

I think lobo means that Kahn didn't frustrate Wolves fans by making them wait for their top 5 pick just to make a bad trade involving Rubio now.

Yep, it means that Kahn knew in 2009 all stuff about Rubio writen in this forum,and It means Kahn trusts a lot on Rubio.

BTW, ---- Goal of Messi to Real Madrid.

and this afternoon, basket, Barça won Real Madrid his ACB game.

[FaheyFM]

Courtney Lee and a late first rounder for Rubio? Seriously? Could you be any more of a homer?

I believe he means that as the second half of a trade. For example

#4 + Rubio for #1 + Lee + DAL 1st

I think he understood that. I'm sure most Wolves fans would consider Turner for Wall close to a wash, so the question was what value does trading a player like Favors for Wall get in return for the Nets. Trading Rubio for Lee and Dallas' 1st is too much to give up to exchange Favors for Wall. There's no way I'd do anything like that, especially if we already have Turner (#2).

[GopherIt!]

Prelude, worst case for us is draft Cousins in that scenario but even then there is no way we'd give up Rubio to get one of the other guys. Would you guys give up Lopez to move up? There's absolutely no chance of either one happening.

[prefuse73]

If we got the worst pick possible, #5 (Wall, Turner, Favors, Cousins off the board), the talent drops off far enough that I would have to think about doing Rubio and #5 for Wall, Lee, and the Dallas 1st (or Nets 1st pick in the 2nd round depending on what is more valuable in a trade up scenario). Lee is a solid starting 2, nothing exciting, but could be used with other picks to move up and get Johnson as well.

[post0115]

Why not Flynn instead of Rubio? I think a pick 3-5 along with Flynn should work for both and this way New Jersey wouldn't have to add anything to it.

On a side note, if somehow the Timberwolves and the Nets got the 1st and 2nd picks what would it take to get New Jersey's pick (1 or 2)? Kahn has stated that the team needs to go thru the draft to find stars and Love, Jefferson, later picks (Utah's and Charlotte's along with our 3 2nd's), Pekovic and probably even Rubio would be on the table. Looking at who the Nets have under contract for next year (Lopez, Harris, Williams, Lee, Yi, and Dooling (buyout) my initial thoughts are this:
1. Rubio, Utah pick, Charlotte pick, and Pekovic (none actually have current salary, so could be traded for a pick) for New Jersey's pick.
2. Love and Rubio for Yi and New Jersey's pick
3. Jefferson and Rubio for pick and D.Harris
4. Flynn and Love for Dooling, Yi, and pick