Luol Deng

[panthermark]

Hi ya'll
Bulls fan here...

With the updated salary cap numbers, we are having some discussions on how to get two max players. One way to do it would be for Chicago to salary dump Deng. While I'm not a fan of this...I was curious...is taking on Deng something Minny would consider if you don't land Gay?

Thanks...

[moss_is_1]

Depends on what we'd have to give up. If it was a straight salary dump? Yes I would take Deng for absolutely nothing.. lol

[LordBaldric]

I too would accept the man of glass if nothing better came along.

[Esohny]

This again, I see.

[Krapinsky]

How about a straight swap of Gomes for Deng?

[BrooklynBulls]

How about a straight swap of Gomes for Deng?

Certainly, we'd accommodate that. Though you might actually prefer to keep him so that he can be a 3/4 shooter off the bench. In all likelihood, we'd include further incentives in the form of cash and picks if you were willing to do that. The leverage would be completely on your side; the upside for us is tremendous, vaulting us into elite status (we wouldn't do this trade unless everything else was already lined up), and you'd be the only team (I would assume) willing to do it. We're talking a Jared Jeffries-esque package of our 17th pick, James Johnson and/or Taj Gibson, a 2011 pick, Charlotte's protected 2012 pick, rights to Omer Asik...at least some of those things included.

[moss_is_1]

I would love to take on a bunch of free assests, just because we have capspace. Most likely we won't be able to sign a free agent of big time quality. Now why didn't you let us take James Johnson last year at the draft so we could have Evans instead of Flynn..

[Krapinsky]

How about a straight swap of Gomes for Deng?

Certainly, we'd accommodate that. Though you might actually prefer to keep him so that he can be a 3/4 shooter off the bench. In all likelihood, we'd include further incentives in the form of cash and picks if you were willing to do that. The leverage would be completely on your side; the upside for us is tremendous, vaulting us into elite status (we wouldn't do this trade unless everything else was already lined up), and you'd be the only team (I would assume) willing to do it. We're talking a Jared Jeffries-esque package of our 17th pick, James Johnson and/or Taj Gibson, a 2011 pick, Charlotte's protected 2012 pick, rights to Omer Asik...at least some of those things included.

Most of us just want to terminate Gomes' contract -- which would cost us 2.5 million spread over the length of the deal. Having Deng would render Gomes basically useless. Moreover, adding him in the deal allows us to have cap space to still sign Darko, something many of us desire. The rest is just gravy. If we could get a 23 for 17 pick swap in there, and/or the rights to the Charlotte pick, then I don't see how we could really turn that down when the other option is to merely spend the same money competing for Rudy Gay's services.

[BrooklynBulls]

You're familiar with the Jared Jeffries deal, right? If this happened, you guys would sexually assault us as badly, or even worse, than that. Guaranteed. Because it's worth being fondled if it means you can afford both Bosh and Wade while keeping Noah and Rose. At that point, it's not a question of titles, it's a question of how many. Don't mind me if I cry softly, just do your business and leave.

[Krapinsky]

You're familiar with the Jared Jeffries deal, right? If this happened, you guys would sexually assault us as badly, or even worse, than that. Guaranteed. Because it's worth being fondled if it means you can afford both Bosh and Wade while keeping Noah and Rose. At that point, it's not a question of titles, it's a question of how many. Don't mind me if I cry softly, just do your business and leave.

I don't think it's quite as bad as you surmise. Deng's contract isn't that bad. He's a two way player. A great character/work ethic/locker room guy. His perimeter shot is slowly developing nicely. Most would argue that he's overpaid, but if he hit the market right now with so much cap space afloat, wouldn't someone offer him a deal starting at $10M/yr?

Clippers aren't interested?

[revprodeji]

Getting rid of Gomes is due to our goal to sign a free agent. If we are using the space in order to bring in a trade, then we do not need to get rid of Gomes unless he is a part of the trade.

Gomes is a bad starter, but he would be a nice role player off the bench. He can play the 3 in a traditional line-up, he can play the 4 in the up-tempo. He is one of the best mid-range shooters in the league and I think would have more of those shots with an improved team.

The bigger issue would be what Gomes' role would be with newer players. We would have Deng+Brewer+(likely draft choice)+ Wayne. Gomes would have value with Chicago as a shooter and could be included because we lack space.

If we brought in Deng+JJ does that change our draft situation?

What about Gibson? He seems like the defensive hustle type that we would like.

How would Deng's skill set work in the triangle offense? It seems to me that he would strive with it.

[shangrila]

I'd do it, if only for everything else that'd come with it. But I don't know if this would be the first thing Kahn would look at doing and he might look to package in Hollins. Would that be alright? He's got a little under 2.5 mil in salary for next season. Does that still leave enough room?

[PeeDee]

BrooklynBulls is right. New York set the bar here and Chicago is going to feel the heat to compete with them and Miami. At minimum I'd expect their pick to be coming our way with Deng, they wouldn't want that cap hold anyway.

Deng, #15 and 2012 1st rounder(to offset the loss of ours to the Clipps) DO IT

We'd control the draft with that deal.

[C.lupus]

I don't think Deng would be Kahn's first choice, nor mine, but the price is certainly right. If we could get Deng and the #17 for Gomes and cap space, I think we have to do it. Kahn seems like he really likes those value deals.

We'd then have the 16, 17, and 23 picks to package together or with another player (Love?) to move up and grab Favors.

Darko/Favors
Jefferson/Favors
Deng/Brewer
Turner/Brewer/Ellington
Rubio/Flynn or Sessions

There's a solid defender at every position in 2011. I like.

[PeeDee]

It's actually #15

[C.lupus]

Even better.

[organix85]

It's actually #15

Milwaukee has our pick and we have theirs.

[shangrila]

No, they get the worst out of their's and Milwaukee's picks from the Salmons trade. So it is 17. In that case I'd rather get physical players like Johnson instead of just rights, especially since we can't do this on draft day.

[PeeDee]

My fault. Didn't know that.

[horaceworthy]

How about a straight swap of Gomes for Deng?

Certainly, we'd accommodate that. Though you might actually prefer to keep him so that he can be a 3/4 shooter off the bench. In all likelihood, we'd include further incentives in the form of cash and picks if you were willing to do that. The leverage would be completely on your side; the upside for us is tremendous, vaulting us into elite status (we wouldn't do this trade unless everything else was already lined up), and you'd be the only team (I would assume) willing to do it. We're talking a Jared Jeffries-esque package of our 17th pick, James Johnson and/or Taj Gibson, a 2011 pick, Charlotte's protected 2012 pick, rights to Omer Asik...at least some of those things included.

I'd probably do a Deng/pick/Asik or Gibson for Gomes deal in a cocaine heartbeat, then write a thank you note to both Donnie Walsh and Daryl Morey for setting the bar on that type of deal at a place to allow that to happen.