RealGM

Over the next couple of months there will be lots of trade, draft and FA discussion. I think it would be important for us to have an understanding of the type of player needed in Rambis's system. I know I personally know much more about the type of players that dont fit rather than the ideal fits...

So assuming it is the same type of offense/defense he ran this year, what type of player is ideal at each position...again this is just a skill set, and not necessarily a particular player.

PG-
SG-
SF-
PF-
C-

Well while we do run the triangle, we are also a running team..
PG-Good passer, good shooter, he also seems to want them roaming on defense so maybe someone good in passing lanes.
SG-Good all around player, most likely a 1st option.
SF-Defender, hit open shots
Pf-Stretch the floor, good passer. I think the Pf and C it doesn't matter too much, one in the high post and the other the low post
C-Anchor on defense, Work in the high post, good passer(Darko is basically perfect)

PG-Rubio
SG-Turner
SF-Brewer or upgrade
PF-Big Al
C-Darko

J_Era_3 wrote:PG-Rubio
SG-Turner
SF-Brewer or upgrade
PF-Big Al Horford
C-Darko

Fixed.

Breakdown777 wrote:

J_Era_3 wrote:PG-Rubio
SG-Turner
SF-Brewer or upgrade
PF-Big Al Horford
C-Darko

Fixed.

I agree with this. Jefferson is too slow to be an ideal fit for a running offense, and he takes too much time in the post to be an ideal fit in the halfcourt.

Someone like Horford, Favors, or even an Amare (providing we have a good defensive backcourt) would all be better fits.

Lets just say it. Favors could be a really good fit for the 4 spot with the triangle offense. Monroe could be also.

J_Era_3 wrote:PG-Rubio
SG-Turner
SF-Brewer or upgrade
PF-Big Al
C-Darko

PG-Rubio
SG-Turner
SF-Brewer/Prince
PF-Favors
C-Darko

FTW.

revprodeji wrote:Lets just say it. Favors could be a really good fit for the 4 spot with the triangle offense. Monroe could be also.

This. I love Monroe, but I think Favors would be a great fit next to Darko. Every time I hear Kahn talk, he always talks about athletes, and being more athletic. Favors fits that profile as a defensive big who can run the floor nicely.

Rubio
Turner
G.Wallace type (Iggy?)
Favors
Darko

revprodeji wrote:Lets just say it. Favors could be a really good fit for the 4 spot with the triangle offense. Monroe could be also.

Yeah, I could see him being a poor man's Pau. The only concern I would have with Monroe is that he's another below average athlete who isn't known for defense.

AQuintus wrote:

revprodeji wrote:Lets just say it. Favors could be a really good fit for the 4 spot with the triangle offense. Monroe could be also.

Yeah, I could see him being a poor man's Pau. The only concern I would have with Monroe is that he's another below average athlete who isn't known for defense.

Yeah I'd rather go for some athleticism with Favors then worry about another under the rim big man.

Clearly the difference would be that Favors would be with our top 5 pick, and Monroe would be a 10-15 if not with our Char pick.

My goal if I was the front office would be to do everything I can to bring Turner and Favors to the team this summer. Then you focus on bring in another scoring wing to fit with them and you have a long term nice team.

revprodeji wrote:Clearly the difference would be that Favors would be with our top 5 pick, and Monroe would be a 10-15 if not with our Char pick.

If we could get him there, then sure, but DE has Monroe going 9th and Draft.net has him going 6th. In all likelihood he'll be going somewhere in the top 10. So, if we were to make a move for another top 10 pick to get him (like the 7th from Detroit), we might as well add the extra value needed (Flynn, Pekovic, and/or our other picks) to move up and get Favors at 3 or 4.

AQuintus wrote:

revprodeji wrote:Lets just say it. Favors could be a really good fit for the 4 spot with the triangle offense. Monroe could be also.

Yeah, I could see him being a poor man's Pau. The only concern I would have with Monroe is that he's another below average athlete who isn't known for defense.

Monroe's not really a below-average athlete. He's a little like Evan Turner in that while he's a fairly good athlete, he just lacks explosive leaping ability. He runs the floor about as well as any big in the draft, even though his gait looks awkward as hell. Also, while he isn't known for defense, he's a good defender. He does a good job cutting off penetration before they have a chance to get a shot up, and he plays good on ball post defense. He's just not the type of player that routinely sends shots into the sixth row. I'm not sure how he'd fit with Darko, though, since they're both lefties and neither's an explosive finisher.

I thought Hinrich would be perfect when Kahn first described the way he wanted the offense to go.
I also think Hinrich would be perfect for Rambis' offense. But then again Kahn said Hinrich isn't what they are looking for..

Rambis said that they need basketball players. He doesn't like qualifying people as particular fits. He wants players that are smart and can play fundamental basketball.

I like Favors, but I can't help but compare him to Tyrus Thomas, who I consider somewhat of a flop. Can someone give me some insight as to why I'm possibly off base?

Favors isn't anything like Ty Thomas, really. Thomas is an elite athlete, skinny as a rail, thinks he's a small forward, a total headcase, and makes a better pogo stick than a basketball player at this point in time. Favors is much stronger, not as athletic from a run/jump standpoint, a post player through and through (and he knows it), has a pretty good feel for the game, and is by all accounts a high character kid. The only areas where they're comparable is height and the fact that neither was a finished project when they entered the draft.

revprodeji wrote:Clearly the difference would be that Favors would be with our top 5 pick, and Monroe would be a 10-15 if not with our Char pick.

My goal if I was the front office would be to do everything I can to bring Turner and Favors to the team this summer. Then you focus on bring in another scoring wing to fit with them and you have a long term nice team.

Don't kid yourself. Monroe will go between 5-8. Mocks that put him AFTER Ed Davis? Do those guys ever update?

horaceworthy wrote:Favors isn't anything like Ty Thomas, really. Thomas is an elite athlete, skinny as a rail, thinks he's a small forward, a total headcase, and makes a better pogo stick than a basketball player at this point in time. Favors is much stronger, not as athletic from a run/jump standpoint, a post player through and through (and he knows it), has a pretty good feel for the game, and is by all accounts a high character kid. The only areas where they're comparable is height and the fact that neither was a finished project when they entered the draft.

Couldn't have said it better.

horaceworthy wrote:Favors isn't anything like Ty Thomas, really. Thomas is an elite athlete, skinny as a rail, thinks he's a small forward, a total headcase, and makes a better pogo stick than a basketball player at this point in time. Favors is much stronger, not as athletic from a run/jump standpoint, a post player through and through (and he knows it), has a pretty good feel for the game, and is by all accounts a high character kid. The only areas where they're comparable is height and the fact that neither was a finished project when they entered the draft.

I'd agree with this assessment.