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They've worn the Los Suns uniforms before. Today is Cinco de Mayo. I wonder if people are reading too much into it considering the recent controversy. I think they would've worn the jerseys today anyways, even if none of this had happened.

It's a weird roundabout way to address the issue. Why do we have to play idiotic mind games to get people to contemplate societal inequities?

Devils, explain please?

I was in Phoenix on Monday, and drove around quite a bit. There was the typical "Go Suns!" on signs, buses and sidewalk windows, but I didn't see any of them say "Los Suns."

Maybe I'm cynical, but I think the uniforms are just a way for the spinster Sarver to try to expand another market segment.

Since Canada has a French-Canadian population, will they ever wear jerseys that say "Le Raptors"?

How about the New Yak KickaBocka's

or "Dem der Timberwulves"

Atlanta 'awks

Doesn't Oakland have a large Asian population? Zee Gorden State Samuria's?

Memphis Grilly's?

OOtah Jamz (for all the Karl Malone lovers?)

The marketing possibilities are endless! (and someone offensive as well!)

The Suns are not the only team to wear these types of uniforms. (Though I guess you could say that the Spurs would've worn them too, then)

I respect Sarver's stance on the issue. That Arizona law is shameful in my eyes. And Steve Nash is a good human being as well as a great basketball player.

Civil liberties have been getting trashed since 9/11. We are going down a dark road as a country, becoming a scared, cowardly people...

Sarver actually released a statement against the new law. Obviously CInco de Mayo is a perfect opportunity for them to wear a jersey that they've worn a few times already, but Sarver's done more than just add three letters to the jersey.

Keep in mind, this is the same state that refused to acknowledge Martin Luther King Day.

john2jer wrote:Sarver actually released a statement against the new law. Obviously CInco de Mayo is a perfect opportunity for them to wear a jersey that they've worn a few times already, but Sarver's done more than just add three letters to the jersey.

Keep in mind, this is the same state that refused to acknowledge Martin Luther King Day.

Bravo for Sarver.

revprodeji wrote:Devils, explain please?

I find it concerning when there's an issue requiring a reevaluation that should be able to stand on it's own merits that someone will have to turn it into a game in order to get people to pay attention because the issue itself has become a game. If there's a popular issue out there, the majority of people are going to adopt a hard-line uninformed stance of certainty so they can join in on the fight and play the game because the game is the focus, the issue itself is secondary.

So you take a complicated and broad issue such as illegal immigration and border crossing and all that and you have a very diverse issue that's going to take somebody time and effort to be able to form their own independent thought on the issue, so "**** that" we say, we'll simplify the situation and split ourselves into groups and whatever you're for, I'm against, and whatever I think is a good idea you'll find preposterous. Everything will be simple and black and white.

The Suns are "Los Suns" for a day and allegedly it will create discussion and probing, but in actuality we'll get the gist of the concept via a 20 second spewing on ABC or TNT or whatever and then we can grin like an ass, mentally retrieve our membership card to reaffirm where we stand on illegal immigration and feel very very very informed on the issues concerning our beautiful country. Its fast and easy and no facts or in depth analysis will ever slow us down and get in our way, we have things to do.

Nothing can be a serious discussion without turning into an over-exertion of emotion that usually leads to rage and violence, so it has to be a light-hearted and non-threatening gesture like adding Los to a basketball jersey, that way we will have the freedom to easily ignore it if we want, we are the land of the free after-all.

john2jer wrote:Keep in mind, this is the same state that refused to acknowledge Martin Luther King Day.

I read about that earlier today too, Arizona is sneaky

agree with Devilz. The situation in Arizona is both complicated and sensitive and what Sarver is doing is simplistic at best and doesn't really help in any way.

I agree Los Suns is pretty much a marketing ploy. But I think it would be in Sarver's best interest to avoid commenting on politics.

The MLK day thing was disgraceful.

There is alot of misinformation out there about this causing a lot of overreaction on both sides.
Calling for boycotts is absurd, you are just hurting the ones you are purporting to help.
Allegations of racial profiling are completely unfounded.
It is also not the hard-line law it purports to be.
It's become a sickening political football.

http://www.desertlamp.com/?p=6121
http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/conlaw ... n-law.html
Here is the heart of the actual statute:

B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).

They amended the later law to change "lawful contact" to "lawful stop, detention or arrest".

The police need to follow existing law in order to stop anyone, this law gives them no new powers, if they could not stop you without reason before they have no extra power to do it now.

The key is that the new law obligates all law enforcement to enforce existing federal immigration law. What is the first thing a cop asks of anyone they stop for anything? Identification. Driver's License. If they book or detain you the first thing they do is pull up your record. How is this changing anything?

It seems unnecessary and overkill. I think the primary point is to stop rogue state and local officials who refuse to enforce immigration laws, and prohibit them from establishing sanctuary cities.
There are also some other less controversial provisions which may or may not stand up to constitutional scrutiny.

In other words the law makes a big stink without changing a whole lot.

Why are they doing it? They are desperate. There are an estimated 500k illegal immigrants in Arizona. My wife's good friend taught elementary down there for 2 years, and she said the school systems are just awful. 500,000 people use state resources who cannot legally work or pay taxes, and it has bankrupt the state.

The federal govt has also not enforced immigration law or the border for years, and the burden lies on them and not the states. This has created a situation where millions are here illegally, cannot legally be hired by anyone, and cannot be deported. Arizona is acting because the Feds refuse to.

Personally, I feel any solution must start with securing the border. If people want to increase legal immigration, that is a good debate to have. Many other countries have much stricter illegal immigration policies. In Mexico a 2nd offense gets you 10 years in jail. Their Pres is a hypocrite to complain about the Arizona law with the way they treat their border with Guatemala.

Isn't It "Los Sol(s)"?

Great post younggunsmn.

I am all for LEGAL immigration. Anyone who puts in the time and effort to become a legal citizen shows that they have respect for our country.

There is critical area that, if changed, will fix the majority of the problem. Birth rights.

As it stands, if an illegal has a child on American soil, current law states that those children are American. So you have poor Mexican couples that skip the border, start knocking out kids which allows them all (including the parents) full access to the well fare system and medical services.

You fix that and improve border security and you just got yourself a situation under control.

younggunsmn wrote:Isn't It "Los Sol(s)"?

Los Soles de Fenix.

broad spectrum tangent:

there may be money being spent on social and welfare programs for illegals, but there are also illegals paying income taxes and soc security taxes that aren't eligible for a lot of programs and would never bother to try either

Anyways, I consider it completely irrelevant if the argument is that the illegal immigrant issue is a problem of draining the country's financial resources when 2/3 of the individual income tax money goes into military spending. If you want to talk about people wasting money in countries they don't belong then we should take a look at the wars obviously, but also the standing military bases we have all over the world at all times. Please defend our country, but first they need to take a look at a map because they seem to be everywhere except inside our actual borders.

Thats my take anyways, people complain about illegal immigrants for what I personally consider questionable reasons, but seem to ignore that we piss away way more money on the Dept of Defense and dumb programs like corn subsidies to help out farmers allegedly, but mostly just benefits Coca Cola. Fantastic, all my taxes go to mega defense contractors and junk food companies, but wait, look over there, it's a mexican sans official citizenship! Time to stop brushing off the gov't being jackasses as some hippie conspiracy, they've been extremely consistent in helping out nobody except corporate interests, then magically end up on the boards of these companies and shareholders either before and/or after their political careers.

Its not illegal immigrants killing our economy, it's us. We're a **** ruthless evil bunch of characters. I don't have the least bit of sympathy for our financial problems because we allow it by refusing to acknowledge what's going on and tell our elected officials to knock it off. Mexicans are a scape goat, it's small potatoes and has negligible impact considering the way the system operates. It should never be this big of an issue to have come to this in the first place, people are masochists when it comes to being f**ked with by those in power, we love it.

I don't care about illegal immigrants, but I think I disagree with you on defense spending. I don't like wars, but I do like advancing technology and giving kids a job and a chance at a college education.

Klomp wrote:The Suns are not the only team to wear these types of uniforms. (Though I guess you could say that the Spurs would've worn them too, then)

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to use the actual spanish words for these teams, instead of sticking "The" in front of all of them? If there is no spanish equivalent, then find a different team. I'm guessing it's probably a property rights issue, but it looks a bit silly and forced.

With that said, I'm all in favor of the idea behind it for games played on Cinco De Mayo. Similar to the green uniforms for St. Patrick's Day. Just something to change it up.