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Looking at NJ?
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:48 pm
by Klomp
Kahn said in his interview with Paul Allen that #3 could be "attainable." He also said that Derrick Favors could be the best player from this draft years down the road.
This makes me wonder if something could happen here. First thing lots of people will suggest is 4+something for 3. But why not dangle Love in a trade.....He would be the post player of most interest to NJ (I think). Love and Lopez would be a nice post combo to build from.
However, I do not think Love alone will fetch the 3. Do we offer the 16, or just the 23 in hopes that they might accept that?
I'd be okay with the 16. We would come out of the draft with Favors and Johnson as our op two picks, and the 23 we could stash away or trade for a future first...
Thoughts?
Re: Looking at NJ?
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:00 pm
by AQuintus
There are quite a few rumors that Rod Thorn (Nets' President) is high on Wes Johnson. I'm guessing that if we were to move up, it would be 4 (Wes Johnson) + 23 (or 16 or Pekovic) for 3 (Favors).
I think that would make even more sense considering that we're apparently high on Rudy Gay in free agency and that there are other good wing players later in the draft.
Also, Kahn and Rambis are apparently really high on Love, and Rambis and Love have been building their relationship up all summer in LA. I'm thinking that it's fairly unlikely that Love is moved.
Re: Looking at NJ?
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:03 pm
by Vega06
How many threads have you locked recently for people not using the Off Season thread?
I thought Kahn said that it it wouldn't be worth it to move up to 3 (or something like that)? And I doubt we'd be able to get the #3 without giving the 4th pick back. That would be hard to sell to Nets fans.
Re: Looking at NJ?
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:03 pm
by Mattya
I think a deal would have to be around the 4 plus incetive. My thinking is that NJ would rather go after Amare, Boozer, Bosh, or Lee in free agency. I would do Love and 16 to get the pick but not more than that. I think they would want some athletisism next to Lopez though.
Re: Looking at NJ?
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:05 pm
by Klomp
Vega06 wrote:How many threads have you locked recently for people not using the Off Season thread?
Nice backseat modding....
This was combined with actual information from the Kahnman himself....I win!
Re: Looking at NJ?
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:06 pm
by prefuse73
Darko / Jefferson / Favors big rotation would be pretty sweet. I like Favors a ton is the exact type of big we need with Rubio.
I would offer Love for #3 straight up first, but I could see #16 needed to be thrown in. If we do the Pek deal for #14 we wouldn't miss #16 too much. Trade down with SAC for get say Donte Green and #5 for #4 and select Johnson. Use 14 and 23 to try and get Henry.
Darko - Favors - Hollins
Jefferson - Favors - Greene
Johnson - Greene
Henry - Brewer - Ellington
Flynn - Sessions
I like that.
Re: Looking at NJ?
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:08 pm
by Klomp
AQuintus wrote:There are quite a few rumors that Rod Thorn (Nets' President) is high on Wes Johnson. I'm guessing that if we were to move up, it would be 4 (Wes Johnson) + 23 (or 16 or Pekovic) for 3 (Favors).
I think that would make even more sense considering that we're apparently high on Rudy Gay in free agency and that there are other good wing players later in the draft.
Also, Kahn and Rambis are apparently really high on Love, and Rambis and Love have been building their relationship up all summer in LA. I'm thinking that it's fairly unlikely that Love is moved.
You definitely make some good points here....I was just dangling Love as something different from the scripted 3 for 4+filler deal.
Re: Looking at NJ?
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:20 pm
by El_Lobo_3
Moving up one spot isn't worth dumping Love. I'd way rather stick with whoever falls to us than to just give away love to scoot up a spot. Unless we got somebody back that could make a difference (or Turner falls to 3 somehow)
Re: Looking at NJ?
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:24 pm
by TrentTuckerForever
AQuintus wrote:There are quite a few rumors that Rod Thorn (Nets' President) is high on Wes Johnson. I'm guessing that if we were to move up, it would be 4 (Wes Johnson) + 23 (or 16 or Pekovic) for 3 (Favors).
Makes sense considering their FA targets as well - probably Stoudemire, Boozer or David Lee. All 4s...
Re: Looking at NJ?
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:37 pm
by Devilzsidewalk
I'll give up Pekovic for the 3, that might even be overpayment considering PDX only needed Khryapa to get Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas. But considering our predicament, I'd do it nonetheless
Re: Looking at NJ?
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:37 pm
by mrsharkjohnson
No no no, love is way too young and talented to be traded straight up for the 3. If Love was somehow in this draft after 2 years in the NBA under his belt, he would be taken at 3, maybe 2. He's a PROVEN talent who still has loads of upside.
Re: Looking at NJ?
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:46 pm
by shrink
I would give up Love and Pekovic. I've mentioned before that Love, who is NBA proven, may be more appealing to NJN in their attempts to draw free agents. Moreover, the Nets new owner, Prokhorov, used to own a euroleague team and has said he wants the Nets to be an international team, so Pek may have extra value to him as well. He's also said to be mroe-NBA ready too, though for NJN to get two elite FA's, you'd think it be easiest if one was a big man.
I know that's a lot to offer, but I think with all the questions we've heard about Evan Turner or Cousins going at #3, I think we couldn't go wrong with either.
Incidentally, NJN is working out Wes Johnson.
Re: Looking at NJ?
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:17 pm
by Dewey
shrink wrote:I would give up Love and Pekovic. I've mentioned before that Love, who is NBA proven, may be more appealing to NJN in their attempts to draw free agents. Moreover, the Nets new owner, Prokhorov, used to own a euroleague team and has said he wants the Nets to be an international team, so Pek may have extra value to him as well. He's also said to be mroe-NBA ready too, though for NJN to get two elite FA's, you'd think it be easiest if one was a big man.
I know that's a lot to offer, but I think with all the questions we've heard about Evan Turner or Cousins going at #3, I think we couldn't go wrong with either.
Incidentally, NJN is working out Wes Johnson.
NJ has more options and they may actually have a tougher time making a draft decision. I still have to think NJ will try to match up either Favors or Cousins with Lopez ... Favors may be the better fit.
Re: Looking at NJ?
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:14 pm
by Krapinsky
I asked NJ fans what it would take to get the #3 pick. Some responses so far:
mikhailjordan wrote:If it were up to me and assuming Wall and Turner went 1 and 2. I'd want the Nets to keep the 3rd pick unless they somehow also landed Kevin Love (yeah right, but I can dream can't I?)...
With that being said, if management does have a legitimate hard-on for Wes Johnson (I think it's misdirection, Thorn and Co. have been awfully quiet on Favors), I think a three team deal in which the Nets trade down from 3 to 4, get the 16, and then are able to package 16 and 27 together to move back up and draft a power forward seems pretty reasonable...
Though I like him I could also see the Nets considering sending CDR the Wolves way in addition to the pick swap...
demens wrote:Not joking. It would take Rubio or Love. Yes its definitely an overkill, but there is nothing else you can offer that has enough value to do the swap. We have enough late picks ourselves so there wouldn't be much interest in those.
Edit: I'm really high on CDR, but if you insist he is included, so be it.
Re: Looking at NJ?
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:18 pm
by AQuintus
If they're going to be saying that it'd take Rubio or Love just to swap 3 and 4, then I wouldn't put much stock in anything the fans have to say.
Edit:
That said, even though it's overpaying, I'd do 4 + 16 for 3. Especially if we can move Pekovic for 14 and still get Paul George.
Re: Looking at NJ?
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:37 pm
by Krapinsky
AQuintus wrote:If they're going to be saying that it'd take Rubio or Love just to swap 3 and 4, then I wouldn't put much stock in anything the fans have to say.
Edit:
That said, even though it's overpaying, I'd do 4 + 16 for 3. Especially if we can move Pekovic for 14 and still get Paul George.
Hmm.... I read that to read Love straight up for the #3, but maybe you're right.
Edit: Yep, nevermind. This isn't going anywhere with NJ posters.
Re: Looking at NJ?
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:48 pm
by horaceworthy
AQuintus wrote:If they're going to be saying that it'd take Rubio or Love just to swap 3 and 4, then I wouldn't put much stock in anything the fans have to say.
Edit:
That said, even though it's overpaying, I'd do 4 + 16 for 3. Especially if we can move Pekovic for 14 and still get Paul George.
I'd want them do that if the plan is to take WJ if Favors isn't available. If the plan is to take Cousins if Favors isn't available I'd be less enthusiastic.
Re: Looking at NJ?
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:24 am
by Krapinsky
enetric wrote:
Id go, Devin Harris, Humphries the 3 pick and CDR for the 4, Love and Rubio.
Re: Looking at NJ?
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:29 am
by AQuintus
Krapinsky wrote:enetric wrote:
Id go, Devin Harris, Humphries the 3 pick and CDR for the 4, Love and Rubio.
Someone needs to explain to the 76rs that Turner isn't Lebron and to the Nets that Favors isn't Shaq.
Re: Looking at NJ?
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:38 am
by Esohny
AQuintus wrote:Krapinsky wrote:enetric wrote:
Id go, Devin Harris, Humphries the 3 pick and CDR for the 4, Love and Rubio.
Someone needs to explain to the 76rs that Turner isn't Lebron and to the Nets that Favors isn't Shaq.
For real-sies.