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What a Kahn Wants
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:32 pm
by shrink
While I disagree with Mr. Kahn's ability to estimate the cost of adding specific players, I tend to agree with one trend that he's shown -- reclamation projects. The addition of Martel Webster is another in a line of players that have larger upsides, which we hope to develop by providing more opportunity. You look at Martell, Darko, Pavlovic, Hollins, Sasha, and Sessions, and you see players that have good athleticism, youth, and often those tools led to a high draft pick.
Who else fits this category? Kind of a "bust" list that a bad team might be able to provide opportunity and get something out of?
Re: What a Kahn Wants
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:43 pm
by flexbuffchest
Tyrus Thomas?
Nick Young?
Anthony Randolph?
Re: What a Kahn Wants
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:49 pm
by funkatron101
Marvin Williams. Just to create even more of a logjam.
Re: What a Kahn Wants
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:49 pm
by shrink
Good names.
What was the deal with Joe Alexander?
Re: What a Kahn Wants
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:51 pm
by Krapinsky
I could see Tyrus Thomas.
Re: What a Kahn Wants
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:55 pm
by shrink
Kind of sad to be going through the NBA's "scratch and dent" section, but if you can get them for a discount ... (unlike Martell) ....
Any other 1st round busts that are still relatively young? Say 25 or under?
Re: What a Kahn Wants
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:58 pm
by Rolf
Beasley?
Re: What a Kahn Wants
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:04 pm
by shrink
Rolf wrote:Beasley?
In those draft day rumors of Gomes for Beasley, I stated that I didn't have a lot of fauth in the guy, but there's no denying that he does carry a lot of upside potential. He's a high risk, high return guy guy, and I doubt he'll come through, but he is the TYPE of player Kahn seems to want to gamble on.
Re: What a Kahn Wants
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:07 pm
by B Calrissian
shrink wrote:Kind of sad to be going through the NBA's "scratch and dent" section, but if you can get them for a discount ... (unlike Martell) ....
Any other 1st round busts that are still relatively young? Say 25 or under?
Acie Law
Javaris Crittenton
Julian Wright
Sebastian Telfair (HA)
Re: What a Kahn Wants
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:12 pm
by 4ho5ive
Isn't Nick Young approaching 25? I liked the kid's potential, but I'm not sure he'll ever get there at this point. Beasley should be worth a look though.
Re: What a Kahn Wants
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:12 pm
by C.lupus
shrink wrote:Rolf wrote:Beasley?
In those draft day rumors of Gomes for Beasley, I stated that I didn't have a lot of fauth in the guy, but there's no denying that he does carry a lot of upside potential. He's a high risk, high return guy guy, and I doubt he'll come through, but he is the TYPE of player Kahn seems to want to gamble on.
Kahn also seems to value the high character guys, though.
Re: What a Kahn Wants
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:18 pm
by Klomp
The one listed so far thats most realistic IMO is Julian Wright. He fits the SF/PF type of player we are looking for.
Re: What a Kahn Wants
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:20 pm
by B Calrissian
C.lupus wrote:shrink wrote:Rolf wrote:Beasley?
In those draft day rumors of Gomes for Beasley, I stated that I didn't have a lot of fauth in the guy, but there's no denying that he does carry a lot of upside potential. He's a high risk, high return guy guy, and I doubt he'll come through, but he is the TYPE of player Kahn seems to want to gamble on.
Kahn also seems to value the high character guys, though.
Every since I saw this commercial I thought of Beasley as the risky robot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPMT3zIyZsI&feature=related
Re: What a Kahn Wants
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:22 pm
by Krapinsky
Julian Wrights BBIQ is among the worst in the league. I can't see it.
Re: What a Kahn Wants
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:25 pm
by 4ho5ive
Javal McGee
Brandon Rush
Brandan Wright
Earl Clark
Re: What a Kahn Wants
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:31 pm
by B Calrissian
4ho5ive wrote:Javal McGee
Brandon Rush
Brandan Wright
Earl Clark
McGee is far from as bust. 6pts, 4rbs, 1.7blks in only 16 mpg.
Rush is a good defender and decent offensive player. Not a bust.
Wright is a bust. He can't stay healthy and plays soft when he is.
Clark has only played one year and was drafted for his potential.
Re: What a Kahn Wants
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:34 pm
by 4ho5ive
Don't think any of them are busts, but i do feel they have underachieved and may be acquire-able. Which is what I thought we were going for here.
Re: What a Kahn Wants
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:36 pm
by B Calrissian
4ho5ive wrote:Don't think any of them are busts, but i do feel they have underachieved and may be acquire-able. Which is what I thought we were going for here.
shrink wrote:Who else fits this category? Kind of a "bust" list that a bad team might be able to provide opportunity and get something out of?
Re: What a Kahn Wants
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:44 pm
by BrooklynBulls
Think of how many reclamation projects there are, then think of how many reclamation projects have been recently reclaimed, then think of how many reclamation projects end really badly.
A couple of these guys, particularly if they're not locker-room problem-makers, are all right. You don't want more of them than you already have, though (Webster, Hollins, Darko). What these guys need is personal attention and tailoring. It's something you can't provide if you have too many of them, and it's even worse if you get them competing for on-court minutes.
Re: What a Kahn Wants
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:55 pm
by shangrila
It's not busts, just young players that aren't being used right on other team. Webster is a perfect example of someone with talent who gets buried on the depth chart because of younger players or the coach.