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As I posted in the Orlando fan's trade proposal below, it's pretty clear that in his Jefferson trade discussions Kahn is angling not for players, but for draft picks plus one of the huge cap assets out there--Dampier's contract, or the massive TPEs held by Cleveland, Toronto, and Phoenix. No doubt, when this scenario plays out (assuming it will--personally, I'm pretty confident it will), legions of fans and the Kahn-haters in the media will wail, gnash their teeth, and vilify Kahn for failing to get anything of value in return for the face of the Minnesota franchise.

What they ought to do instead is praise his shrewdness.

We all like to think there's some difference-maker out there that a team is all-too-willing to send us for Big Al, but think about it: who, really, could we get for him that even approaches Al's real value? Right now, potential trading partners that will offer players have all the leverage; they know our situation at PF and will low-ball us, as good GMs ought to do. Look at the dreck Dallas is offering,and you'll get a pretty good idea of what other teams will be offering, too.

There ain't no difference-makers out there to be had in an Al Jefferson trade--that's the plain and simple truth, despite our most ardent wishin' and hopin' and fantasizin'. The best we could hope for is rotational guys who spend more time on the bench than on the floor. And, making matters worse, whatever players we would get if Kahn went the trade-for-players route would be contractual albatrosses gobbling up our cap space. Even expirings would be an unsatisfactory return.

Yet, there is one hugely valuable asset that the team that ultimately gets Al will be giving us. Oh, we might get a pick as well--maybe even two--although you can bet they'll be heavily protected. That invaluable asset is cap space, either in its raw form or as a TPE that can be traded for an impact player, either before the season starts or, even better, at the trade deadline. That will give us not only significant flexibility in who we deal with and who we can get, but also will allow us to wrest back the leverage in trade negotiations.

So, when the inevitable announcement is made--"Al Jefferson is traded to X for X draft pick and a TPE (or Dampier)--I, for one, will hold off on any condemnation of Kahn, knowing that, down the road, we'll have a far better chance of maximizing his value than through some instant-gratification acquisition of the Marcin Gortats of the league.

Insightful post, but I'm not sure if we need another Al Jefferson trade thread.

Good post. I will argue that if we handled this better and were more patient, that could all change. If it was a couple of months into the season or even the deadline, we could be in a position to get a fantastic return for Big Al. Patience could have really paid off in that situation. As far as cap space goes, I don't really have much faith in it at this point and time.

A handful of teams will line up to acquire space and until we prove that we really have something to offer, we are always going to miss out on those free agents that will be real difference makers. We aren't signing Carmelo or anybody like that in the near future. Tons of cap space is great and all on paper but when no one significant is willing to sign what's the use? Look at the knicks and Nets who are throwing big contracts at just decent to mediocre players. You don't want to be in those shoes.

I don't know about theroy of Al's value going up by the deadline... and even if it does, at what expense. Sure, we can showcase Al and he puts up 20/10, but....

Beasley, Love, Pekovic will all be fustrated as they receive little to no minutes, chemistry tanks and
the team will not be able to run the offense they are hoping too.

Im completely on board with getting a TPE and at least 1 pick. The TPE can be used next summer if a star becomes available or simply let it expire and free up cap space to bring over Ricky (if he remains in europe past his rookie deal years) and/or extend current players if 1 or 2 make huge strides. I like the flexibility.

Kurosawa wrote:As I posted in the Orlando fan's trade proposal below, it's pretty clear that in his Jefferson trade discussions Kahn is angling not for players, but for draft picks plus one of the huge cap assets out there--Dampier's contract, or the massive TPEs held by Cleveland, Toronto, and Phoenix. No doubt, when this scenario plays out (assuming it will--personally, I'm pretty confident it will), legions of fans and the Kahn-haters in the media will wail, gnash their teeth, and vilify Kahn for failing to get anything of value in return for the face of the Minnesota franchise.

What they ought to do instead is praise his shrewdness.

We all like to think there's some difference-maker out there that a team is all-too-willing to send us for Big Al, but think about it: who, really, could we get for him that even approaches Al's real value? Right now, potential trading partners that will offer players have all the leverage; they know our situation at PF and will low-ball us, as good GMs ought to do. Look at the dreck Dallas is offering,and you'll get a pretty good idea of what other teams will be offering, too.

There ain't no difference-makers out there to be had in an Al Jefferson trade--that's the plain and simple truth, despite our most ardent wishin' and hopin' and fantasizin'. The best we could hope for is rotational guys who spend more time on the bench than on the floor. And, making matters worse, whatever players we would get if Kahn went the trade-for-players route would be contractual albatrosses gobbling up our cap space. Even expirings would be an unsatisfactory return.

Yet, there is one hugely valuable asset that the team that ultimately gets Al will be giving us. Oh, we might get a pick as well--maybe even two--although you can bet they'll be heavily protected. That invaluable asset is cap space, either in its raw form or as a TPE that can be traded for an impact player, either before the season starts or, even better, at the trade deadline. That will give us not only significant flexibility in who we deal with and who we can get, but also will allow us to wrest back the leverage in trade negotiations.

So, when the inevitable announcement is made--"Al Jefferson is traded to X for X draft pick and a TPE (or Dampier)--I, for one, will hold off on any condemnation of Kahn, knowing that, down the road, we'll have a far better chance of maximizing his value than through some instant-gratification acquisition of the Marcin Gortats of the league.

if we trade al for trash i will puke and it will ruin the offseason period i dont wanna hear this garbage that were saving up for later on thats total bs nobody wants to come here

isn't there something about Rubio not being bound to the rookie scale when he comes over because the CBA will be in flux? Maybe they're trying to carve out some cap room in preparation for Rubio

As I posted in other threads, here is a way the OP's scenario could play out.

Step 1: Jefferson to Cavs for TPE. (Wolves fans furious!!)

Step 2 and 3: Simultaneous trades. Trade TPE for Okafor/Stoyakovic. Trade Flynn + Love + Capspace for Chris Paul.

Step 4: Trade Rubio to the highest bidder

Result:

Chris Paul/Sessions
Webster/Brewer/Ellington
Wes Johnson/Hayward
Michael Beasley/Emeka Okafor
Darko Milicic/Nikola Pekovic

+ whatever we get for Rubio!!!!

All of a sudden we're a top 4 team in the West with TONS of room to grow.

Devilzsidewalk wrote:isn't there something about Rubio not being bound to the rookie scale when he comes over because the CBA will be in flux? Maybe they're trying to carve out some cap room in preparation for Rubio

Kahn has stated that he's not worried about that. Glen Taylor has the power to change that in the new CBA negotiations.

Id rather keep Love and not get Emeka, is this just an idea or did you hear about it somewhere

jordananderson wrote:Id rather keep Love and not get Emeka, is this just an idea or did you hear about it somewhere

It's just an idea.

The entire universe agrees with you and would rather keep Love, but taking on Emeka's contract is how you make a fair Chris Paul offer.

Yeah, I am willing to bet the NBA's relationship with European players (and leagues) will be one of the main topics. We have to figure out a way gaining more leverage for the teams that negotiate with drafted players . Maybe the NBA as an organization can pay the players buyouts and Rubio situations can be mostly avoided.

Love the Chris Paul idea. If thats on the table you got to run with it. I fairly positive that the rights to Rubio can get us Favors at the very least.

The cap space will have value in more ways than simply having the ability to absorb Chris Paul ourselves.

Suppose a contending team wants Paul desperately as the final piece in its push to a title. Contending teams (other than OKC) are rarely under the cap and would need a participating third team to land him. That could be us--and the desperate contending team might be willing to part with a lot to obtain its man.

Think of how much we might potentially benefit from Miami Thrice--Beasley for peanuts, and a TPE that could land us a potential All-Star. Thank you, Pat Riley.

Krapinsky wrote:As I posted in other threads, here is a way the OP's scenario could play out.

Step 1: Jefferson to Cavs for TPE. (Wolves fans furious!!)

Step 2 and 3: Simultaneous trades. Trade TPE for Okafor/Stoyakovic. Trade Flynn + Love + Capspace for Chris Paul.

Step 4: Trade Rubio to the highest bidder

Result:

Chris Paul/Sessions
Webster/Brewer/Ellington
Wes Johnson/Hayward
Michael Beasley/Emeka Okafor
Darko Milicic/Nikola Pekovic

+ whatever we get for Rubio!!!!

All of a sudden we're a top 4 team in the West with TONS of room to grow.

dont make me sick with some fake crap

abjsuperstar wrote:

Krapinsky wrote:As I posted in other threads, here is a way the OP's scenario could play out.

Step 1: Jefferson to Cavs for TPE. (Wolves fans furious!!)

Step 2 and 3: Simultaneous trades. Trade TPE for Okafor/Stoyakovic. Trade Flynn + Love + Capspace for Chris Paul.

Step 4: Trade Rubio to the highest bidder

Result:

Chris Paul/Sessions
Webster/Brewer/Ellington
Wes Johnson/Hayward
Michael Beasley/Emeka Okafor
Darko Milicic/Nikola Pekovic

+ whatever we get for Rubio!!!!

All of a sudden we're a top 4 team in the West with TONS of room to grow.

dont make me sick with some fake crap

Easy, killer.

abjsuperstar wrote:

Krapinsky wrote:As I posted in other threads, here is a way the OP's scenario could play out.

Step 1: Jefferson to Cavs for TPE. (Wolves fans furious!!)

Step 2 and 3: Simultaneous trades. Trade TPE for Okafor/Stoyakovic. Trade Flynn + Love + Capspace for Chris Paul.

Step 4: Trade Rubio to the highest bidder

Result:

Chris Paul/Sessions
Webster/Brewer/Ellington
Wes Johnson/Hayward
Michael Beasley/Emeka Okafor
Darko Milicic/Nikola Pekovic

+ whatever we get for Rubio!!!!

All of a sudden we're a top 4 team in the West with TONS of room to grow.

dont make me sick with some fake crap

?

and then Wes J/Pek/Rubio for Carmelo and what now Miami, we got a big 3 too!

Devilzsidewalk wrote:and then Wes J/Pek/Rubio for Carmelo and what now Miami, we got a big 3 too!

why dont we just trade the hole team for melo is see that forsure....

Krapinsky wrote:

abjsuperstar wrote:

Krapinsky wrote:As I posted in other threads, here is a way the OP's scenario could play out.

Step 1: Jefferson to Cavs for TPE. (Wolves fans furious!!)

Step 2 and 3: Simultaneous trades. Trade TPE for Okafor/Stoyakovic. Trade Flynn + Love + Capspace for Chris Paul.

Step 4: Trade Rubio to the highest bidder

Result:

Chris Paul/Sessions
Webster/Brewer/Ellington
Wes Johnson/Hayward
Michael Beasley/Emeka Okafor
Darko Milicic/Nikola Pekovic

+ whatever we get for Rubio!!!!

All of a sudden we're a top 4 team in the West with TONS of room to grow.

dont make me sick with some fake crap

?

iv got enough trouble seing what this franchuse does with there mind shocking moves..

abjsuperstar wrote:

Krapinsky wrote:As I posted in other threads, here is a way the OP's scenario could play out.

Step 1: Jefferson to Cavs for TPE. (Wolves fans furious!!)

Step 2 and 3: Simultaneous trades. Trade TPE for Okafor/Stoyakovic. Trade Flynn + Love + Capspace for Chris Paul.

Step 4: Trade Rubio to the highest bidder

Result:

Chris Paul/Sessions
Webster/Brewer/Ellington
Wes Johnson/Hayward
Michael Beasley/Emeka Okafor
Darko Milicic/Nikola Pekovic

+ whatever we get for Rubio!!!!

All of a sudden we're a top 4 team in the West with TONS of room to grow.

dont make me sick with some fake crap

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abjsuperstar wrote:

Devilzsidewalk wrote:and then Wes J/Pek/Rubio for Carmelo and what now Miami, we got a big 3 too!

why dont we just trade the hole team for melo is see that forsure....

I feel bad for the beating your keyboard must be taking.

As for trading Jefferson, I really wish Kahn wouldn't have been so open about wanting to trade him. I'm just waiting for this whole ordeal to be over with.