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I got bored yesterday and crunched some numbers from the DX draft database.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-dra ... os=0&sort=

I did all the players currently on the Wolves roster,
except the ones who aren't in the database:
Ricky Rubio
Nikola Pekovic
Kosta Koufos
Ryan Hollins
Greg Stiemsma
Included are database averages for each position. the sample size is:
PG (avg) 170
SG (avg) 168
SF (avg) 149
PF (avg) 259
C (avg) 138


Height W/o shoes:
Darko Milicic 6'11.5
Kevin Love 6'7.75
Michael Beasley 6'7
Corey Brewer 6'6.75
Wesley Johnson 6'6.25
Martell Webster 6'6
Lazar Hayward 6'4.5
Wayne Ellington 6'4.25
Ramon Sessions 6'2
Luke Ridnour 6'1
Johnny Flynn 5'11.25
PG (avg) 6'0.25
SG (avg) 6'3.49
SF (avg) 6'6.09
PF (avg) 6'7.70
C (avg) 6'9.97

height with shoes:
Darko Milicic 7'0.75
Kevin Love 6'9.5
Michael Beasley 6'8.25
Corey Brewer 6'7.75
Martell Webster 6'7.5
Wesley Johnson 6'7.25
Lazar Hayward 6'5.75
Wayne Ellington 6'5.25
Ramon Sessions 6'3.75
Luke Ridnour 6'2
Johnny Flynn 6'0.75

Height with the standard 1.25" added to hgt w/out shoes
(I consider this measurement "Canon" height for each player)
Darko Milicic 7'0.75
Kevin Love 6'9
Michael Beasley 6'8.25
Corey Brewer 6'8
Wesley Johnson 6'7.5
Martell Webster 6'7.25
Lazar Hayward 6'5.75
Wayne Ellington 6'5.5
Ramon Sessions 6'3.25
Luke Ridnour 6'2.25
Johnny Flynn 6'0.5
PG (avg) 6'1.5
SG (avg) 6'4.74
SF (avg) 6'7.34
PF (avg) 6'8.95
C (avg) 6'11.24

Weight
Kevin Love 255
Darko Milicic 250
Michael Beasley 239
Martell Webster 230
Lazar Hayward 226
Wesley Johnson 206
Wayne Ellington 202
Johnny Flynn 196
Corey Brewer 185
Ramon Sessions 185
Luke Ridnour 167
PG (avg) 185
SG (avg) 202
SF (avg) 213
PF (avg) 235
C (avg) 252

Body Fat %
Kevin Love 12.9
Darko Milicic 8.0
Michael Beasley 7.7
Lazar Hayward 7.5
Johnny Flynn 6.3
Ramon Sessions 6.2
Wayne Ellington 5.5
Luke Ridnour 5.3
Wesley Johnson 4.6
Corey Brewer 4.2
Martell Webster NA

Wingspan:
Darko Milicic 7'5
Wesley Johnson 7'1
Lazar Hayward 7'0.75
Michael Beasley 7'0.25
Kevin Love 6'11.25
Martell Webster 6'11
Corey Brewer 6'8.25
Wayne Ellington 6'6.5
Ramon Sessions 6'4.25
Johnny Flynn 6'4
Luke Ridnour 6'3
PG (avg) 6'4.7
SG (avg) 6'7.9
SF (avg) 6'10.4
PF (avg) 7'0.8
C (avg) 7'2.9

Reach:
Darko Milicic 9'3.5
Michael Beasley 8'11
Wesley Johnson 8'10
Kevin Love 8'10
Martell Webster 8'10
Corey Brewer 8'7
Lazar Hayward 8'6
Wayne Ellington 8'4
Ramon Sessions 8'1.5
Johnny Flynn 7'11.5
Luke Ridnour 7'11.5
PG (avg) 8'0.5
SG (avg) 8'4.6
SF (avg) 8'8.1
PF (avg) 8'10.6
C (avg) 9'1.7


Wingspan vs the average for their Position (figures in inches)
(I included Beasley, Brewer, and Webster at 2 positions)
Martell Webster (SG) 3.10
Wesley Johnson (SF) 2.60
Lazar Hayward (SF) 2.35
Darko Milicic (C) 2.10
Michael Beasley (SF) 1.85
Martell Webster (SF) 0.60
Corey Brewer (SG) 0.35
Ramon Sessions (PG) -0.45
Michael Beasley (PF) -0.55
Johnny Flynn (PG) -0.70
Wayne Ellington (SG) -1.40
Kevin Love (PF) -1.55
Luke Ridnour (PG) -1.70
Corey Brewer (SF) -2.15

Reach vs the average for their position (in inches)
(Again Beasley, Brewer, and Webster at 2 positions)
Martell Webster (SG) 5.4
Michael Beasley (SF) 2.9
Corey Brewer (SG) 2.4
Wesley Johnson (SF) 1.9
Martell Webster (SF) 1.9
Darko Milicic (C) 1.8
Ramon Sessions (PG) 1.0
Luke Ridnour (PG) 1.0
Michael Beasley (PF) 0.4
Wayne Ellington (SG) -0.6
Kevin Love (PF) -0.6
Johnny Flynn (PG) -1.0
Corey Brewer (SF) -1.1
Lazar Hayward (SF) -2.1

No Step Vert:
Johnny Flynn 33.0
Wesley Johnson 32.0
Wayne Ellington 31.5
Lazar Hayward 31.0
Corey Brewer 30.5
Michael Beasley 30.0
Kevin Love 29.5
Ramon Sessions 29.5
Martell Webster 28.0
Darko Milicic 26.5
Luke Ridnour 26.0
PG (avg) 29.3
SG (avg) 29.6
SF (avg) 29.6
PF (avg) 28.4
C (avg) 26.6

Max Vert:
Johnny Flynn 40.0
Wayne Ellington 38.0
Wesley Johnson 37.0
Corey Brewer 36.5
Lazar Hayward 36.0
Kevin Love 35.0
Michael Beasley 35.0
Ramon Sessions 33.5
Darko Milicic 32.5
Luke Ridnour 32.5
Martell Webster 30.5
PG (avg) 34.9
SG (avg) 34.9
SF (avg) 34.6
PF (avg) 32.8
C (avg) 30.5

Max Reach:
Darko Milicic 12'0
Wesley Johnson 11'11
Michael Beasley 11'10
Kevin Love 11'9
Corey Brewer 11'7.5
Lazar Hayward 11'6
Wayne Ellington 11'6
Martell Webster 11'4.5
Johnny Flynn 11'3.5
Ramon Sessions 10'11
Luke Ridnour 10'8

Bench Press Reps x 225 lbs:
Michael Beasley 19
Kevin Love 18
Wesley Johnson 16
Lazar Hayward 15
Wayne Ellington 13
Darko Milicic 13
Corey Brewer 11
Johnny Flynn 10
Ramon Sessions 8
Martell Webster 7
Luke Ridnour NA
PG (avg) 8.1
SG (avg) 10.6
SF (avg) 10.9
PF (avg) 13
C (avg) 11.7

Lane Agility Time
Johnny Flynn 10.86
Lazar Hayward 10.87
Luke Ridnour 11.00
Michael Beasley 11.06
Wayne Ellington 11.14
Kevin Love 11.17
Darko Milicic 11.30
Martell Webster 11.39
Wesley Johnson 11.43
Ramon Sessions 11.65
Corey Brewer 11.69
PG (avg) 11.15
SG (avg) 11.31
SF (avg) 11.38
PF (avg) 11.70
C (avg) 12.14

Sprint
Wesley Johnson 3.14
Wayne Ellington 3.20
Kevin Love 3.22
Corey Brewer 3.22
Johnny Flynn 3.23
Michael Beasley 3.24
Ramon Sessions 3.27
Luke Ridnour 3.28
Lazar Hayward 3.31
Darko Milicic 3.36
Martell Webster 3.39
PG (avg) 3.21
SG (avg) 3.23
SF (avg) 3.26
PF (avg) 3.31
C (avg) 3.43

Wingspan vs the average for a player of same height (no shoes).
This is slightly flawed, as there is a small sample size (usually mid 20's) and a bit of variation.
Taken from this chart: http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-dra ... s&year=All
Lazar Hayward 2.95
Darko Milicic 2.2
Johnny Flynn 1.2
Wesley Johnson 1.1
Martell Webster 1
Michael Beasley -0.65
Kevin Love -1.25
Wayne Ellington -2.4
Luke Ridnour -2.4
Ramon Sessions -2.45
Corey Brewer -3.15

Reach vs. average for a player of same height (no shoes)
Martell Webster 2.4
Darko Milicic 1
Wesley Johnson 0.6
Michael Beasley 0.6
Johnny Flynn 0.5
Lazar Hayward 0.3
Kevin Love -0.5
Ramon Sessions -0.8
Corey Brewer -1.5
Wayne Ellington -1.8
Luke Ridnour -1.9


Just interesting to note Arm Length vs. the average for a player that height. Note how some players have noticeably longer wingspan than reach, making them more of a widebody.Lazar Hayward is the best example of this. Corey Brewer's skinniness shows up here too.Others buck that trend, like Kevin Love. Do the orthotics come into play here?

Just thought it would be interesting to post since we're always arguing about length & athleticism.The athletic testing numbers aren't as currently valuable, since players can work on that stuff, but can't will their arms or legs to keep growing. I'm sure brewer's improved his vert, for example.

Bookmark the page if you want to keep it, it'll probably disappear pretty fast.

Webster at SG and Johnson or Beasley at SF gives us a very long wing combo.
Darko is long for a center, and all our current PG's are below average.
Beasley has about avg length at PF, and Love slightly below avg.

Great post. I bookmarked it and will probably go back to it for a reference quite often.

wow I'm surprised to see Kevin Love's (max) vertical being so high and Darko wheighing only 250 lbs. the latter one was measured back in 2003 right? that would explain a lot. he's probably around 270-280 now.

and thanks a lot for that informative post!

Yeah Darko was 17 when those measurements were taken and pretty skinny, Webster only 18.
Beasley is a guy that really sticks out with his strength, length, and athleticism.
It would be really interesting if they did a wonderlic test like the NFL does.

thesuperficial wrote:Great post. I bookmarked it and will probably go back to it for a reference quite often.

Thanks and welcome to the board.

great post.

got to think this roster looks alot better than the one with gomes at the 4, Al at the 5, brew at 3, foye at the 2, telfair at the 1.


couple things that stood out to me were;

Loves sprint and verts were impressive

When adding darkos current weight.... he is HUGE.

Jonny almost 6'1 in shoes? I thought he was more like 5'10.

Hayward, Johnson and Webby's length was good to see - goes to show Kahn and Rambo are putting an emphasis on that with our vision of a running athletic squad.

I knew this before, but people really really mis-judge corey brewer... I keep hearing hes such an LONG athletic defender... but really hes below average for SF's (his natural position) in length and about average for 2s. Which contributes partially to him to be overrated as a defender. I think this is another sign brew could be moved, either soon or at the deadline. Especially seeing our FOs love for Hayward, and his length, and better shooting. Not to mention Corey's a McHale guy, and his value is fairly high for him now.


Overall, regardless of how much Kahn is ripped... our team size, length and athleticism is much, much better. Now, if we could plug Iggy in at the 2, we could fight for the 8th seed!!! ..... maybe we would need some brian scal too

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Wow crazy to believe that Love can get up that high. I was almost certain that Beasley would be at 36-37.

basti wrote:wow I'm surprised to see Kevin Love's (max) vertical being so high and Darko wheighing only 250 lbs. the latter one was measured back in 2003 right? that would explain a lot. he's probably around 270-280 now.

and thanks a lot for that informative post!

To be fair, Love was wearing these shoes --

http://www.fitzz.com/Kangoo-Jumps-Armst ... 22584.html

Love can jump ok, problem is he's not a quick jumper

younggunsmn wrote:Yeah Darko was 17 when those measurements were taken and pretty skinny, Webster only 18.
Beasley is a guy that really sticks out with his strength, length, and athleticism.
It would be really interesting if they did a wonderlic test like the NFL does.

Don't get me wrong... I LOVE mike... But let's just say that the wonderlic test would bring him to the pack in the aggregate

To bad we don't have the current heights, its obvious that Darko and Love have grown some, and Webster has more hops now.

not to be that guy that guy that comes in a thread to correct things.... but nba bench press @ combine is 185, nfl is 225.

thanks for posting this though.

you grow until you are 21...beasley was 19 when these measurements were taken..there is a possibilty that he has grown..

Devilzsidewalk wrote:Love can jump ok, problem is he's not a quick jumper

His rope skip numbers would beg to differ. Too bad he decided to forgo the hopscotch at the combine though

Too many numbers.

What I got from this is that Kevin Love needs to work out.