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NOH SENDS ($14.2): Peja + NOH 2011 1st (lottery protected, slow decline)
NOH GETS ($11.8): Vlad Rad + Hayward + Telfair + Koufos + rights to swap picks with NOH, Top 8 protected

GSW SENDS ($14.1): Gadzuric + Vlad Rad + rights to swap picks with NOH, Top 8 protected
GSW GETS ($14.2): Peja

MIN GIVES ($5.0): Hayward + Telfair + Koufos
MIN GETS ($7.2): Gadzuric + NOH 2011 1st (lottery-protected, slow decline)

Why for NOH: NOH is right at the lux with giant holes in their roster and no way to pay for them. This deal moves Peja, allows them to add players to fill those holes, and gives them $2.2 mil in extra room under the lux. Their new roster would be:

PG Chris Paul / Sebastian Telfair
SG Marcus Thornton / Marco Belinelli / Lazar Hayward
SF Trevor Ariza / Vladimir Radmanovic / Quincy Pondexter
PF David West / Darius Songaila / Craig Brackins
C Emeka Okafor / Aaron Gray / Kosta Koufos

It costs them a lottery-protected 1st, but they get some young pieces, cap room, and the rights to swap picks with GSW.

Why for GSW: Peja may be overpaid, but he was 13 PPG, 4 RPG last year, and was more productive than either VladRad or Gadzuric (also expirings). GSW is phenomenally weak at SF, with the starting job going to Reggie Williams or Dorrell Wright. Peja could be a starter, and it costs them nothing financially, and since they'll probably be better than NOH, it probably won't cost them a protected pick. They also add a roster spot.

Why for MIN: MIN packages a group of players that are unlikely a part of MIN's future and a little cap space, and turns it into a lottery-protected future 1st and a couple roster spots. This moves most of the players on all three teams to better locations where they'd have more value.

I guess I'm not vehemently opposed to this, I just don't see why.

Turning Hayward into a lottery pick is not a bad deal at all.

Don't like it.

I like lazar. Don't see why we should help out the competition.

since neither team is our division I don't think the "competition" argument has much pull. At some point every team in the NBA is our competition. While NOH and GSW are probably going to end up with seeds 12-8 we are looking at seeds 15-12, so I don't see any real competition there either. Infact one might go so far as to say, helping the rest in the west will make it easier for us to get another high pick, before our "making a run phase" starts, because let's face it, with Rubio over and no pick in 2012 we had better be done with any rebuilding still to be done.

I like Lazar, but I doubt he'll see much PT with us, as we are absolutely loaded at SF / PF (Beasley, Love, Tolliver and most likely some of Pekovic, Brewer, Webster and Johnson at PF / SF respectively) and a pick could help us further consolidate talent next year. Aren't we effecively giving the 30th pick of this year for the 16th pick next year (or possibly higher as the protection fades out? I think that's good value. Maybe we could even squeeze a Bellinelli for Ellington in somehow? I'm think Belinelli could still develop into something pretty good.

breatnach wrote:since neither team is our division I don't think the "competition" argument has much pull. At some point every team in the NBA is our competition. While NOH and GSW are probably going to end up with seeds 12-8 we are looking at seeds 15-12, so I don't see any real competition there either. Infact one might go so far as to say, helping the rest in the west will make it easier for us to get another high pick, before our "making a run phase" starts, because let's face it, with Rubio over and no pick in 2012 we had better be done with any rebuilding still to be done.

I like Lazar, but I doubt he'll see much PT with us, as we are absolutely loaded at SF / PF (Beasley, Love, Tolliver and most likely some of Pekovic, Brewer, Webster and Johnson at PF / SF respectively) and a pick could help us further consolidate talent next year. Aren't we effecively giving the 30th pick of this year for the 16th pick next year (or possibly higher as the protection fades out? I think that's good value. Maybe we could even squeeze a Bellinelli for Ellington in somehow? I'm think Belinelli could still develop into something pretty good.

Totally agree.

I like that you're trying to get us some (likely) 2012 picks. It will really be something we need.

I'm good with this deal, though I greatly prefer the swap with Houston. We're still using money to improve a draft choice - in this case Hayward and cash for what would likely be a low-20s pick, maybe high teens. I don't see a negative here as Hayward won't be anything more than a deep bench role player. If we can flip him and cash for that late teens, early 20's pick you have to look at it as a win.

Considering how great most of the guys have been that we draft and then trade away, before they ever play a game for us.... I still think this is a bad deal

Saltine wrote:Considering how great most of the guys have been that we draft and then trade away, before they ever play a game for us.... I still think this is a bad deal

Yeah, well, maybe we'll have some mean regression coming up for us . We just need to get our sample size up high enough...

Warriors fan here, I will do this.

realfung wrote:Warriors fan here, I will do this.

Thanks. The only thing I really don't like about this trade is the incentive for the GSW part. The Warriors should certainly pay something to turn their $14 mil of near-daead salary into $14 mil of the much better Peja. However, its tough to find a piece that the Warriors would give up. I can understand how many would complain that even though its unlikely they'd lose the pickswap, and even if they did, it'd be a minor loss, but even so, that loss couldn't be justified by Peja for a year.

I think the deal works better if SAC sends $3 mil and a 2nd to NOH. That reduces the Warriors risk, and cash and an unguaranteed contract should still be appealing to Shinn and his money woes.