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Player Redistribution if Teams are Contracted?
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:36 am
by shrink
I think contraction may be a big bluff, but if it were to happen, how would it works? Anyone know how this is handled in other sports?
It seems to me that it's a particularly scary prospect for league parity in the NBA, where a superstar (like Chris Paul) is so much more valuable than just a "good" player (Casspi). Obviously the worst teams should get the first choices, but they also get first draft picks too. Maybe if they are redistributed in the off-season (though who pays them if it isn't?), a team could use its draft pick to choose someone from the draft, or pick up the contract of a player in the redistribution pool?
Anyone given redistibution much thought, and have ideas on how to minimize unfairness?
Re: Player Redistribution if Teams are Contracted?
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:44 am
by Klomp
shrink wrote:I think contraction may be a big bluff, but if it were to happen, how would it works? Anyone know how this is handled in other sports?
It seems to me that it's a particularly scary prospect for league parity in the NBA, where a superstar (like Chris Paul) is so much more valuable than just a "good" player (Casspi). Obviously the worst teams should get the first choices, but they also get first draft picks too. Maybe if they are redistributed in the off-season (though who pays them if it isn't?), a team could use its draft pick to choose someone from the draft, or pick up the contract of a player in the redistribution pool?
Anyone given redistibution much thought, and have ideas on how to minimize unfairness?
In 2007, the WNBA had a dispersal draft after the Charlotte Sting folded:
The first phase, held January 8, 2007 via conference call, was a dispersal draft from the roster of the Charlotte Sting, which folded on January 3rd.[1] This was the first dispersal draft since before the 2004 season, after the Cleveland Rockers folded.[2] The teams selected in inverse order of their 2006 won-loss record, without regard to the results of the WNBA draft lottery. All Sting players were available except for unrestricted free agents Allison Feaster and Tammy Sutton-Brown.[2]
Re: Player Redistribution if Teams are Contracted?
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:50 am
by shrink
Thanks Klomp. Sadly, this could be MIN's best chance ever to get a superstar.
Re: Player Redistribution if Teams are Contracted?
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:51 am
by Tha Juice
I haven't really given it much thought myself but I think the only way to make it fair to every team in the NBA is to have the team use its draft pick to choose someone from either the draft pool or pick up the contract of a player in the redistribution pool as you mentioned.
I can't see Stern allowing a team to have a lottery pick and the being able to draft a redistribution player. It would be interesting to see how that would change things around the NBA but won't happen.
Re: Player Redistribution if Teams are Contracted?
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:16 am
by Klomp
Tha Juice wrote:I haven't really given it much thought myself but I think the only way to make it fair to every team in the NBA is to have the team use its draft pick to choose someone from either the draft pool or pick up the contract of a player in the redistribution pool as you mentioned.
I can't see Stern allowing a team to have a lottery pick and the being able to draft a redistribution player. It would be interesting to see how that would change things around the NBA but won't happen.
That is definitely an interesting proposition.
Re: Player Redistribution if Teams are Contracted?
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:30 am
by Busch Legion
Interesting. I wonder how salary would work along the lines of teams selecting players.
Re: Player Redistribution if Teams are Contracted?
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:54 am
by jade_hippo
I don't see how a dispersal draft going in reverse order isn't fair? David Stern would love something like that. A really bad team instantly becomes relevant again. Its a chance for the NBA as a whole to become more competitive. giving Paul and Tyreke Evans to the Lakers and Heat because the Raptors are getting Harrison Barnes isn't exactly fair either.
Re: Player Redistribution if Teams are Contracted?
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:01 am
by shrink
But if a team was the worst in 2011, should they get both Harrison Barnes AND Chris Paul?
I think if they do it at draft time, having one choice whether to draft from that pool or the typical draft pool, is the way to go. It might be interesting to see the order, and how different teams (with different salary constraints) may pick differently.
If they had a lockout, and contracted and came back for half a season, I'm not sure how they assign players without using draft picks? Those players will want to be paid, and not have to wait until the end of the year just because their team contracted.
Re: Player Redistribution if Teams are Contracted?
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:08 am
by younggunsmn
Dispersal draft would certainly change the fortunes of a couple of lucky teams.
There also would be very interesting salary cap implications for players with existing contracts.
What happens if the team with the #1 pick in a dispersal draft is over the cap, lux, or a new proposed hard cap and can't absorb the salary of a CP3 without violating the CBA? Does the league institute a one-time dispersal draft salary waiver or is that team SOL?
Even if you do a dispersal draft you have to honor the existing contracts of the players on the folded teams or you run into all kinds of legal issues. But what happens when no team wants to take on emeka okafor or beno udrih?
I think it's all a bunch of chest-thumping and smoke blowing at this point and contraction isn't a serious option. I think in the end the players end up settling for a significant cut in their share of gross revenue, and max contract length will be shorter, but the existing cap and lux tax system stay in place. So the cap and lux tax levels will probably fall quite a bit next year.
Re: Player Redistribution if Teams are Contracted?
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:46 am
by cpfsf
I agree with juice
You make the call, either Barnes or an NBA superstar.
WIth that said, I don't believe these rumors at all.
Re: Player Redistribution if Teams are Contracted?
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:22 am
by funkatron101
shrink wrote:But if a team was the worst in 2011, should they get both Harrison Barnes AND Chris Paul?
Which again makes me push for the idea of a 3 season sample size to help determine the lottery.
Re: Player Redistribution if Teams are Contracted?
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:26 am
by shangrila
I'd imagine it'd be the opposite of what they did with Charlotte a few years back.
Personally, I'd probably do a full 30 team lottery but with the worst teams with a higher percentage to win it then the better teams, just like the lottery is now. Could a good team like the Lakers or HEAT end up with Paul? Maybe, but the odds would be slim.
Either way I like it better then tying it into the draft. The draft is all about bringing new players in to the NBA, throwing in veterans just seems stupid.
Re: Player Redistribution if Teams are Contracted?
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 12:50 pm
by cpfsf
What about picks that are owed?
Re: Player Redistribution if Teams are Contracted?
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:33 pm
by shrink
funkatron101 wrote:shrink wrote:But if a team was the worst in 2011, should they get both Harrison Barnes AND Chris Paul?
Which again makes me push for the idea of a 3 season sample size to help determine the lottery.
So was anyone else curious about that ranking?
Over the last three years, we were the worst team in the league for wins .. by a lot.
Code: Select all
# TEAM 08 09 10 TOT AVE
1. MIN 22 24 15 61 20
2. LAC 23 19 29 71 24
3. NJN 34 34 12 80 27
4. SAC 38 17 25 80 27
5. NYK 23 32 29 84 28
6. MEM 22 24 40 86 29
7. WAS 43 19 26 88 29
8. OKC 20 23 50 93 31
9. GSW 48 29 26 103 34
10 IND 36 36 32 104 35
11 MIA 15 43 47 105 35
12 MIL 26 34 46 106 35
13 PHI 40 41 27 108 36
14 CHA 32 35 44 111 37
15 TOR 41 33 40 114 38
16 CHI 33 41 41 115 38
17 DET 59 39 27 125 42
18 ATL 37 47 53 137 46
19 NOH 56 49 37 142 47
20 POR 41 54 50 145 48
21 HOU 55 53 42 150 50
22 UTA 54 48 53 155 52
23 PHO 55 46 54 155 52
24 DAL 51 50 55 156 52
25 DEN 50 54 53 157 52
26 SAS 56 54 50 160 53
27 ORL 52 59 59 170 57
28 CLE 45 66 61 172 57
29 BOS 66 62 50 178 59
30 LAL 57 65 57 179 60
Re: Player Redistribution if Teams are Contracted?
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:25 am
by Vindicater
So lets say its the Kings and Hornets who go.
Would we take Paul or Evans? Pauls the best player in the discussion but Evans is also dominant and only going to get better and is suited to a position we need to improve (2 spot).
I take Paul because he is a proven superstar and winner but its an interesting one.
Also, cpfsf has a good question? What happens to picks owed by these teams. Hornets just traded a future 1st for Bayliss... how does that work for the Trailblazers if the hornets are dropped? Do the NBA simply give them an extra pick at the end of the 1st round for one year?
Re: Player Redistribution if Teams are Contracted?
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:38 am
by jade_hippo
there is precident of awarding extra draft picks to teams for various reasons (and taking away.) I think they would just be awarded the last choice in the round of the pick.
Re: Player Redistribution if Teams are Contracted?
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:45 am
by Krapinsky
Gut drunk and missed the draft. Autodraft with yahoo rankings. Krap FTL.
Re: Player Redistribution if Teams are Contracted?
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:01 am
by Breakdown777
Krapinsky wrote:Gut drunk and missed the draft. Autodraft with yahoo rankings. Krap FTL.
I think this is in the wrong place.
Re: Player Redistribution if Teams are Contracted?
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:48 pm
by C.lupus
Krapinsky wrote: Krap FTL.
Re: Player Redistribution if Teams are Contracted?
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:59 pm
by revprodeji
My understanding is there would be a distribution draft. Worst team first. It would not interfere with the amateur draft.
Of course, this is just speculation.