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Wolves are not THAT bad
Posted: Thu Nov 4, 2010 4:23 pm
by nykballa2k4
Seriously, I have no tie to this wolves team, not a Wolves fan, but this is ridiculous. Your coach just quit on you Beasley is trying to act like a leader but sounding more like a cancer. This team is not THAT bad. I am not saying the Wolves should be in the playoffs, but it is embarrassing to hear Rambis A TERRIBLE COACH talking about how his team and roster were over matched against the magic.
Rambis needs to be fired for his comments and overall terrible job. I hated Rambis when he coached the Lakers, and I hate him equally now. Get Mark Jackson, get Eric Mussleman (is he avail?) Frank Johnson, Don Cheyney, anyone but this guy.
Darko has 20 mpg ability. Pek is good
Love is solid. Beasley and Wes have talent
There is talent on this team
/vent
Re: Wolves are not THAT bad
Posted: Thu Nov 4, 2010 4:49 pm
by Foye
When you're playing Orlando on the 2nd night of a back-to-back after getting crushed by the Heat last night with the Magic resting for 5 days you know it's going to be bad from the very start. I'm not surprised at all that it was a blowout loss.
Now it's time for the team to respond. They need to crush Atlanta with pure will now. If they don't respond then there's something wrong with that team.
Re: Wolves are not THAT bad
Posted: Thu Nov 4, 2010 5:20 pm
by flexbuffchest
Beasley is sounding like a cancer?
Based on what?
Re: Wolves are not THAT bad
Posted: Thu Nov 4, 2010 5:47 pm
by C.lupus
I agree that this team is better than they've shown the last three games. I do not agree that Rambis is an idiot or that Beasley is a cancer.
Rambis has not cost this team one single win so far. Maybe perhaps they could have squeaked out a win against SAC but Kurt's rotations weren't the main problem there - it was giving up 117 points on defense. Is it Rambis' fault that Flynn, Webster, Johnson, and Beasley have been injured? Is it Rambis's fault that Darko can't hit the broad side of a barn with a basketball? Is it Rambis' fault that Love refuses to or just is incapable of playing defense?
- youngest team in the NBA
- only four players returning from last year
- difficult offense to learn
- major injuries to 2 key players
What the heck did you guys expect? To be beating Miami and Orlando on their home court after 3 games together?
I feel confident this team, barring any more injuries, will be much more competitive by January/February. Be patient.
/my rant
Re: Wolves are not THAT bad
Posted: Thu Nov 4, 2010 6:38 pm
by cpfsf
nykballa2k4 wrote:Seriously, I have no tie to this wolves team, not a Wolves fan, but this is ridiculous. Your coach just quit on you Beasley is trying to act like a leader but sounding more like a cancer. This team is not THAT bad. I am not saying the Wolves should be in the playoffs, but it is embarrassing to hear Rambis A TERRIBLE COACH talking about how his team and roster were over matched against the magic.
Rambis needs to be fired for his comments and overall terrible job. I hated Rambis when he coached the Lakers, and I hate him equally now. Get Mark Jackson, get Eric Mussleman (is he avail?) Frank Johnson, Don Cheyney, anyone but this guy.
Darko has 20 mpg ability. Pek is good
Love is solid. Beasley and Wes have talent
There is talent on this team
/vent
Tanks for spending the time to write this. It's encouraging to see this from a fan of another team. I should note that I'm not high on Beasley, but I disagree with the cancer viewpoint. It's hard to believe this used to be a pretty optimistic board, but it's going to be better around here soon.
Re: Wolves are not THAT bad
Posted: Thu Nov 4, 2010 6:45 pm
by big3_8_19_21
C.lupus wrote:I agree that this team is better than they've shown the last three games. I do not agree that Rambis is an idiot or that Beasley is a cancer.
Rambis has not cost this team one single win so far. Maybe perhaps they could have squeaked out a win against SAC but Kurt's rotations weren't the main problem there - it was giving up 117 points on defense. Is it Rambis' fault that Flynn, Webster, Johnson, and Beasley have been injured? Is it Rambis's fault that Darko can't hit the broad side of a barn with a basketball? Is it Rambis' fault that Love refuses to or just is incapable of playing defense?
- youngest team in the NBA
- only four players returning from last year
- difficult offense to learn
- major injuries to 2 key players
What the heck did you guys expect? To be beating Miami and Orlando on their home court after 3 games together?
I feel confident this team, barring any more injuries, will be much more competitive by January/February. Be patient.
/my rant
I expected a loss, but not a franchise-record loss.
Re: Wolves are not THAT bad
Posted: Thu Nov 4, 2010 7:29 pm
by Mr Dew
Yes, it has not been good lately, but Beasley, Webster and Flynn (3 projected starters) have missed games. Either way we lose to Miami and Orlando, but how many teams (good or bad) can produce wins without 3 starters? It's a long season and I'll withold judgement until I see more.
Re: Wolves are not THAT bad
Posted: Thu Nov 4, 2010 7:42 pm
by C.lupus
big3_8_19_21 wrote:I expected a loss, but not a franchise-record loss.
TBH, when I first saw our schedule like 2 months ago, the game that stuck out to me was Orlando. I expected a 25 pt loss then. When Webster went out, I expected a 30 pt loss. When Beas went down, I expected a 40 pt loss. I did NOT expect the MEM game to be so bad but the last 2 games didn't shock me.
Anyway, we got another couple weeks of hell, then things should get a bit better.
Re: Wolves are not THAT bad
Posted: Thu Nov 4, 2010 8:01 pm
by jscott
Yeah - the things I'd like to see over the next few weeks (while we're injured) is for Darko to work on his offensive game (I think he's played alright defensively) and for Wes Johnson to find some consistency (although I am already impressed with his highlight reel).
Wes gets blocked a lot but I like his attacking style. I''m encouraged by him so far.
I think Rindour is okay but a needed presence on this team. Good signing.
Pek's a bit more raw and brutish than I thought he would be but he seems comfortable in the post on offense. Can't shoot a lick though.
Beasley looks like he could be a very good player. Probably not elite but I could see him being an All-star once or twice. I was over reading the Heat board about Beasley during our game with them and they seemed to think he was looking real good - some were pissed at letting him go for no real value.
Same with Love and while he looks good at times on court sometimes he looks just as lost.
We've been outclassed by some superior teams in the last two games. Should have beat Sacramento, tough loss to Memphis but somehow a little disappointing so far.
But that's it, just so far. I have hopes of improvement once the injuries clear up a bit and they play together a bit more.
Re: Wolves are not THAT bad
Posted: Thu Nov 4, 2010 8:10 pm
by nykballa2k4
Beasley seems like a cancer to me because before the season started he was talking highly about the Timberwolves (recall the talk regarding Kobe and the Lakers) Then less than a week ago proclaimed this is the worst team in the league. When your most talented player and coach are both saying "this is the worst team in the league" that is bad.
Re: Wolves are not THAT bad
Posted: Thu Nov 4, 2010 8:28 pm
by Klomp
nykballa2k4 wrote:Beasley seems like a cancer to me because before the season started he was talking highly about the Timberwolves (recall the talk regarding Kobe and the Lakers) Then less than a week ago proclaimed this is the worst team in the league. When your most talented player and coach are both saying "this is the worst team in the league" that is bad.
So now telling the truth = team cancer?
Re: Wolves are not THAT bad
Posted: Thu Nov 4, 2010 8:28 pm
by GDG
nykballa2k4 wrote:Beasley seems like a cancer to me because before the season started he was talking highly about the Timberwolves (recall the talk regarding Kobe and the Lakers) Then less than a week ago proclaimed this is the worst team in the league. When your most talented player and coach are both saying "this is the worst team in the league" that is bad.
If you read the context of the Beasley quote you might take what he said a bit differently than as him being a cancer...
http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_16481653?nclick_check=1----
Is this the Rambis line that brought you to the conclusion that Rambis is saying we're the worst team in the league?
I can't argue with anything he says in the quote. I guess he is a realist. I might've been taken aback a little bit more if he actually said we are the "worst team in the league." I'm not sure what to think of Rambis yet and I'm getting worried, but the jury is still out as far as I am concerned.
Re: Wolves are not THAT bad
Posted: Thu Nov 4, 2010 8:36 pm
by Esohny
Klomp wrote:nykballa2k4 wrote:Beasley seems like a cancer to me because before the season started he was talking highly about the Timberwolves (recall the talk regarding Kobe and the Lakers) Then less than a week ago proclaimed this is the worst team in the league. When your most talented player and coach are both saying "this is the worst team in the league" that is bad.
So now telling the truth = team cancer?
Yeah, what are you talking about? He includes himself in his statement. How is this any different than statements that athletes in all sports make after a poor game by the team?
Re: Wolves are not THAT bad
Posted: Thu Nov 4, 2010 8:48 pm
by Krapinsky
Umm... if you watched even 5 minutes of the game you saw how clearly overmatched we were. I wouldn't fault Rambis for stating the obvious. Howard made Darko look like a Washington General.
Re: Wolves are not THAT bad
Posted: Thu Nov 4, 2010 8:54 pm
by cpfsf
I didn't read the exact quote, but I'm sure whatever it is, it could have just been worded better.
I'm just reminded of this story with Beasley...
Sure, it's very early still -- first day and everything, you know? -- but it sure looks and feels to me that this experiment Rambis and David Kahn have constructed is going to be one steaming, bubbling petri dish of personalities and talents.
First, you've got newcomer Mike Beasley: Loud, brash, goofy and obviously very skilled.
Then there's Darko Milicic, the re-signed $16 million (guaranteed) center who proved himself to be a wee bit temperamental during this morning's practice.
Rambis returned the players to run sprints after their scrimmage -- the winning team of the three did one trip down the floor and back, the other two teams did two -- and told them if any one player came up short of the end line, everybody would run again.
Assistant coach Bill Laimbeer flagged at least three players for the violation, although, given Rambis' warning, maybe Laimbeer was just being Laimbeer and designated the players just to see how they'd react.
When forced to run again, Milicic not only touched the end line, he kept going and going, taking more strides and touching the first row of seats before turning back.
Upon completing his sprints, Milicic was visibly angry, a development that caused Beasley to come over and attempt to console him..
Beasley basically said, if you have to run again big fella, we're all running again with you.
Re: Wolves are not THAT bad
Posted: Thu Nov 4, 2010 8:57 pm
by Klomp
Sounds like a team cancer to me...
Re: Wolves are not THAT bad
Posted: Thu Nov 4, 2010 9:02 pm
by cpfsf
We're not trying to gang up on you btw, I still other fans visiting and like the optimism (although the title isn't TOO encouraging). If you want, you can insult Brewer here and get away with it.
I'm going to shift gears here and talk about his other points
Darko has 20 mpg ability. Pek is good
Love is solid. Beasley and Wes have talent
There is talent on this team
Love is Love, puts up big numbers in limited minutes. Everyone here has been a bit down on Darko, but we're just a few games in the season. Pekovic will improve (definitely needs to stop getting into foul trouble) and we will have a decent frontcourt.
People forget how young Beasley actually is and the fact we didn't have to really give anything up to get him. I try to watch every game just to watch W4 play, I love that guy.
Re: Wolves are not THAT bad
Posted: Thu Nov 4, 2010 10:16 pm
by UK-Wolf
We all knew that this young, inexperienced team would need plenty of time to gel, get used to the triangle offense and so on but conceding 147 pts in the the last two first half's of the Miami and Orlando games is embarrassing, laughable and just unacceptable.
Some on here have probably over-reacted..myself included..as ofcourse no-one expected us to beat Miami/Orlando but some effort would have been appreciated. Injuries no doubt have made a massive difference too with a healthy Flynn/Webster/Beasley I don't think we'd have lost by such a big deficit at Orlando.
As for your point about Beasley being a possible 'cancer'..I'll be quick to disregard that one. I think he's settled quite well in Minnesota and will be a big player for us this year. I like his tenacity and intensity on the court and I think in his interviews he's came off really well. As previously stated though, there's only so much patience we can have, we've had 3 I'd say, horrific seasons and so much bad luck along the way, it's about time we improve and as Kahn has said I believe, this season we will improve..and he sounded fairly confident.
Re: Wolves are not THAT bad
Posted: Thu Nov 4, 2010 10:46 pm
by Vindicater
Just saw something interesting on the Hawks board.
Marvin WIlliams and Mo EVans are not playing against us and Jamal Crawford is a 50% chance.
That leaves them with no 3's and their coach has stated an opening lineup of
Bibby, Johnson, Smith, Horford, Zaza
Lets hope that drags Smith away from the basket and gives us some open lanes to attack.
I would like to see lots of W. Johnson on Smith, Athletic battle to the death!!!!!!!!
Re: Wolves are not THAT bad
Posted: Fri Nov 5, 2010 2:21 am
by Klomp
Vindicater wrote:Just saw something interesting on the Hawks board.
Marvin WIlliams and Mo EVans are not playing against us and Jamal Crawford is a 50% chance.
That leaves them with no 3's and their coach has stated an opening lineup of
Bibby, Johnson, Smith, Horford, Zaza
Lets hope that drags Smith away from the basket and gives us some open lanes to attack.
I would like to see lots of W. Johnson on Smith, Athletic battle to the death!!!!!!!!
Its too bad all our depth is hurt too. Would be a great time to have Webster. Beasley vs Smith will be fun.