Salary dump

NewWolvesOrder · Post #1 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 4:55 pm

As it stands right now we won't have much capspace this coming summmer. I think Kahn need to regain some financial flexibility by dumping some of the existing salary. I think Pek and Luke are the most logical candidates to cut. They make 8.5 mil combined next year but they don't look good fit here longterm. We have 2 pgs who are more talented than Luke and it gets more clear by each day that we need more defense at Center and Pekovic doesn't provide that. Well, as it stands, he literally gives us nothing and is paid 4m per year.
At this point I'd do something like Pek for Reggie Evans(waived immediatley) and invest the money in a more defensively capable center.
Knicks may be looking for a backup point, so something like Luke and Jazz pick for Randolph and Curry makes sense.

Krapinsky · Post #2 » by **Krapinsky** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 5:10 pm

Who would we sign with the extra money? There will not be much out there.

Yes, we need more defensive help on the front line. Yes, Luke doesn't seem all that great.

However, we're a young team. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO WIN NOW. That mean we are trying to win each game, but our team is not designed to be competitive int he West. We are a rebuilding team. We're three years away from being relevant. Not all these things have to be done immediately. Just because we suffered another 4th quarter loss doesn't mean we have to make knee jerk reactions. Pek will improve. Luke will get better in the offense. We need to be patient brother. These things take time. Like years, not weeks. We'll have a couple draft picks to add next year too, and we have to project roles for those players as well. Spending more free agent money on vets to patch perceived holes is the equivalent of making the "mistake" of the Ridnour signing over again.

OKC should be our model, not Portland (see Camby signing/Miller trade).

Post #3 » by **Worm Guts** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 5:17 pm

Maybe it's semantics, but I wouldn't call us a rebuilding team anymore. We're a growing team, we're trying to win but not at the expense of the future.

Krapinsky · Post #4 » by **Krapinsky** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 5:22 pm

Yes, that's semantics.

Post #5 » by **Worm Guts** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 5:24 pm

I just wince when people say we're not trying to win, because you need wins to know the team is progressing.

Krapinsky · Post #6 » by **Krapinsky** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 5:29 pm

Worm Guts wrote:I just wince when people say we're not trying to win, because you need wins to know the team is progressing.

I tried to clarify that in my post. We're trying to win each game with what we have. But we're not trying to win above all. We're not trying to win in the short term at the expense of the long term. If we were, Love and Beasley would be getting subbed out more for defense. If we were, we'd have spent our cap money. Seems like a pretty trivial point to me.

Foye · Post #7 » by **Foye** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 5:31 pm

I still think Pekovic is a great player. Give him time. He'll develop into a low post scoring machine. Obviously, it won't work very well with KLove as long as both are liabilities on D. We need both of them to step it up on D (and Pek needs to fix that foul trouble) or it won't work. So far Ridnour would be my 1st candidate if we want to dump anyone. I wish we had just kept Ramon Sessions he was much more of a guy that is able to facilitate the offense than Ridnour from what I've seen so far. Even Telfair is better at running our offense than Ridnour.

funkatron101 · Post #8 » by **funkatron101** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 5:32 pm

Foye wrote:I wish we had just kept Ramon Sessions he was much more of a guy that is able to facilitate the offense than Ridnour from what I've seen so far. Even Telfair is better at running our offense than Ridnour.

The grass is always greener it seems.

NewWolvesOrder · Post #9 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 5:36 pm

Krapinsky wrote:Who would we sign with the extra money? There will not be much out there.

Yes, we need more defensive help on the front line. Yes, Luke doesn't seem all that great.

However, we're a young team. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO WIN NOW. That mean we are trying to win each game, but our team is not designed to be competitive int he West. We are a rebuilding team. We're three years away from being relevant. Not all these things have to be done immediately. Just because we suffered another 4th quarter loss doesn't mean we have to make knee jerk reactions. Pek will improve. Luke will get better in the offense. We need to be patient brother. These things take time. Like years, not weeks. We'll have a couple draft picks to add next year too, and we have to project roles for those players as well. Spending more free agent money on vets to patch perceived holes is the equivalent of making the "mistake" of the Ridnour signing over again.

OKC should be our model, not Portland (see Camby signing/Miller trade).

I'd rather have an opportunity to sign a guy like Tyson Chandler than pay Pekovic and Ridnour.

LordBaldric · Post #10 » by **LordBaldric** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 5:39 pm

Kahn signed Mike James 2.0 in Luke. I'd love to dump him. Willing to give Pek some more time though.

Post #11 » by **Worm Guts** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 5:39 pm

I don't think Kahn will be so quick to give up on his offseason aquisitions. If we need capspace in the offseason, Ridnour and Pekovic will probably be the first to go but I don't think there's much urgency to trade them at the deadline. I actually might prefer to sell our capspace for picks or assets at the deadline like Houston did last year, although I don't know that the market for capspace will be quite as good as it was last year.

Krapinsky · Post #12 » by **Krapinsky** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 5:41 pm

In three years Chandler will be on his last legs where as Pekovic migth have figured it out and could be someone that could actually help us when we're ready to compete.

NewWolvesOrder · Post #13 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 5:52 pm

Krapinsky wrote:In three years Chandler will be on his last legs where as Pekovic migth have figured it out and could be someone that could actually help us when we're ready to compete.

in 3 years he will 30 y.o. and Pek 27. Wow, big ***ing difference dude!!!

jpatrick · Post #14 » by **jpatrick** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 5:54 pm

Luke isn't great but I like home quite a bit more than Telfair or Sessions although that's not saying much. I think Pek has an NBA future but I don't think he fits with Love and Darko.

I can't wait until next year when we have Irving or Rubio running the point.

NewWolvesOrder · Post #15 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 6:02 pm

I wonder if there's any chance of Pekovic getting tired of being a scrub and being whistled for cheap fouls by nba refs and asks Kahn to walk out of his contract and going back to being a star in Europe.

Swimmer · Post #16 » by **Swimmer** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 6:05 pm

Turnover_21 wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:In three years Chandler will be on his last legs where as Pekovic migth have figured it out and could be someone that could actually help us when we're ready to compete.

in 3 years he will 30 y.o. and Pek 27. Wow, big ***ing difference dude!!!

That's kind of a big difference. In his prime vs. leaving his prime.

NewWolvesOrder · Post #17 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 6:11 pm

Swimmer wrote:
Turnover_21 wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:In three years Chandler will be on his last legs where as Pekovic migth have figured it out and could be someone that could actually help us when we're ready to compete.

in 3 years he will 30 y.o. and Pek 27. Wow, big ***ing difference dude!!!

That's kind of a big difference. In his prime vs. leaving his prime.

The notion of a guy being on his last legs at 30 is laughable unless the guy's legs are done physically. And Pekovic prime may never touch Chandler's past-prime.

Mr Dew · Post #18 » by **Mr Dew** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 6:21 pm

I'm not ready to give up on Pek quite yet. Even though he played professional ball in Europe, he's still an NBA rookie and figuring things out.

Ridnour, however, is the one contract I would love to dump since Bassy has an expiring deal and is more than capable as a back-up. Heck, I wouldn't even mind if we signed Bassy to another 1 or 2 years for just above the minimum since he seems like he'd be ok with being the 3rd guy behind Rubio and Flynn.

Krapinsky · Post #19 » by **Krapinsky** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 6:35 pm

Turnover_21 wrote:The notion of a guy being on his last legs at 30 is laughable unless the guy's legs are done physically. And Pekovic prime may never touch Chandler's past-prime.

We're talking about Tyson Chandler right? Bad back/foot problems Tyson Chandler?

How many 30 year old centers in the league are good? Duncan? Camby? Is that it?

NewWolvesOrder · Post #20 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Tue Dec 7, 2010 6:45 pm

Krapinsky wrote:
Turnover_21 wrote:The notion of a guy being on his last legs at 30 is laughable unless the guy's legs are done physically. And Pekovic prime may never touch Chandler's past-prime.

We're talking about Tyson Chandler right? Bad back/foot problems Tyson Chandler?

How many 30 year old centers in the league are good? Duncan? Camby? Is that it?

Dear dr. Krap. Are you his personal doctor? Because you seem to know how what's in line for Chandler in the future? Sure he had injury trouble before, but he looked just fine the past year or so. Maybe his injuries are past him? Maybe Pek blows his knees in 2 years(the guy is running around at 295 lbs)? Don't tell me you know what's in 3 years.