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Knicks interested in Ridnour & teams interested in Tolliver
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:42 pm
by cpfsf
http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/26446557Luke Ridnour, Timberwolves: At $12 million over the next three years, Ridnour won’t break the bank and his play-making abilities could be appealing to a team looking for point-guard depth. The Knicks, underwhelmed by Toney Douglas as Raymond Felton’s backup, are interested.
Anthony Tolliver, Timberwolves: Minnesota already has been fielding a lot of calls because they have draft picks, cap space, and young assets. Though injured at the moment, Tolliver is big and cheap and could be part of a bigger deal.
Re: Knicks interested in Ridnour
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:46 pm
by AQuintus
Ridnour + late 1st for Randolph?
Rid hasn't been much of a calming veteran presence anyway, so I wouldn't be opposed to having Telfair and/or Gains backup Flynn for the rest of the season.
Re: Knicks interested in Ridnour
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:50 pm
by LOBO 7
Hmm, interesting. I would like to make sure Flynn is fully back to 100% before even considering it, but at that point I probably would consider it.
Re: Knicks interested in Ridnour
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:18 pm
by jpatrick
AQuintus wrote:Ridnour + late 1st for Randolph?
This was my first thought as well. We get a developmental big that we were "rumored" to be high on and NY gets a backup PG and the first they need for a Melo deal.
Re: Knicks interested in Ridnour
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:18 pm
by Tha Juice
Interesting indeed. Not sure how credible this writer is but he also has Anthony Tolliver as someone who could be moved too even though he's injured.
So Luke Ridnour + 1st for Anthony Randolph?
Then Anthony Tolliver + Corey Brewer for something????
Re: Knicks interested in Ridnour
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:43 pm
by magnumt
jpatrick wrote:AQuintus wrote:Ridnour + late 1st for Randolph?
This was my first thought as well. We get a developmental big that we were "rumored" to be high on and NY gets a backup PG and the first they need for a Melo deal.
That's exactly what I was thinking as well. NY could use his good shooting (from the Field and FT Line), and passing off the Bench.
NY can then reroute that 1st to Denver in a Melo deal. I have a feeling that Douglas me be dealt soon in some kind of deal (or it could be Rautins/RM Jr), and that may be why NY is also exploring Trades for a Backup PG like this.
Would give Minny a very nice young and athletic running core with AR added to your mix.
We saw what a change of scenery did for Beasley, and it may just do the same for AR with you guys.
On the actual article, it sounds like more opinion from the Writer, but keep in mind that Berger is actually a pretty good writer and is pretty accurate.
--Mags
Re: Knicks interested in Ridnour
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:09 pm
by big3_8_19_21
I'd be for that. Coming off the bench is a more ideal role for Ridnour. He'd be a good spark off the bench type player.
Randolph in 'sota? Interesting proposition...I think it might be worth a shot. That would mean somebody is out...Pek and/or Tolliver. We could get a nice look at him while Tolliver is still injured, too.
We'll obviously need to trade a PG eventually anyway with Rubio coming over. Also, the youngest team in the league trades a 29 year old for a 21 year old. Our oldest player would then be Anthony Tolliver at 25 with Telfair a close second, only 8 days younger. heh. Wow, talk about youth.
Re: Knicks interested in Ridnour
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:13 pm
by Swish4
I can definately see why NY would like Ridnour and a 1st rounder. Ridnour is a great fit in their offense, though he's lacking defensively. Solid backup for Felton for sure though. I think it's too much to give up for Randolph though. We'd have to get another worthwhile asset back and I don't really see much else I like in NY. Maybe throw in Koufos and Mozgov? IDK.
Re: Knicks interested in Ridnour
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:14 pm
by Krapinsky
I'd imagine we'd have to take Mason too, then waive him. Knicks are right up against the cap aren't they?
I'd be cool with A Ridnour + Utah 1st for Randolph + Mason trade. It means will still see lots of Telfair, but that's a good trade for us in the long term scheme of things.
Does using an expiring to get Ridnour affect their ability to deal for Melo though?
Re: Knicks interested in Ridnour
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:15 pm
by Den Masters
If they want Luke, this is the best time to trade him because his value over contract is about even to a bit higher value.
Remember, we have Rubio possibly coming over next season.
We don't need to give picks. Ridnour straight up for Randolph and it's a deal.
Re: Knicks interested in Ridnour
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:20 pm
by Punk
AQuintus wrote:Ridnour + late 1st for Randolph?
Rid hasn't been much of a calming veteran presence anyway, so I wouldn't be opposed to having Telfair and/or Gains backup Flynn for the rest of the season.
If you like being the victim of robbery then yes, we take that offer.
Re: Knicks interested in Ridnour
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:25 pm
by cpfsf
If we do end up with Randolph in this trade...
Min in: Pietrus + Vazquez + 3 MILLION DOLLARS
Orl in: Tolliver (they can have Doufos too if they want)
Sorry about my Vazquez obsession
Re: Knicks interested in Ridnour
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:27 pm
by younggunsmn
Interesting. Trading Luke would lock us into Flynn long term. Randolph is going to be worth more than that Utah pick (mid 20's) in a weak 2011 draft. Randolph could provide some interior D as a backup PF if he can clear the rocks out of his skull.
Kind of doubt NY would bite for 2 reasons:
1. Poor return for Randolph
2. Ridnour's contract screws up their 3yrs. 3 big FA plan (melo 2011, CP3 2012), although a new CBA or lower revenues could kill that dream anyways.
They could bite though as they currently are playoff bound and D'antoni is a very PG-centric coach and Ridnour would be a perfect fit.
Re: Knicks interested in Ridnour
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:36 pm
by Den Masters
younggunsmn wrote:Interesting. Trading Luke would lock us into Flynn long term. Randolph is going to be worth more than that Utah pick (mid 20's) in a weak 2011 draft. Randolph could provide some interior D as a backup PF if he can clear the rocks out of his skull.
Kind of doubt NY would bite for 2 reasons:
1. Poor return for Randolph
2. Ridnour's contract screws up their 3yrs. 3 big FA plan (melo 2011, CP3 2012), although a new CBA or lower revenues could kill that dream anyways.
They could bite though as they currently are playoff bound and D'antoni is a very PG-centric coach and Ridnour would be a perfect fit.
I don't believe they should go for CP3. Felton is playing insane basketball right now.
Re: Knicks interested in Ridnour
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:37 pm
by UK-Wolf
Would snap the Knicks' hand off for that trade. Mainly for all the reasons already mentioned above.
Re: Knicks interested in Ridnour
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:45 pm
by big3_8_19_21
Punk wrote:AQuintus wrote:Ridnour + late 1st for Randolph?
Rid hasn't been much of a calming veteran presence anyway, so I wouldn't be opposed to having Telfair and/or Gains backup Flynn for the rest of the season.
If you like being the victim of robbery then yes, we take that offer.
This in an interesting response...Randolph is not thought of highly in New York it would seem.
Re: Knicks interested in Ridnour
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:48 pm
by Den Masters
Randolph is actually overrated, even in his Golden State years. The "Magic" nickname is a joke straight from Warriors forum during his rookie year.
There's also a vid of Beasley vs Anthony on youtube somewhere. I think it's during high school. Beasley destroyed him.
Re: Knicks interested in Ridnour
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:50 pm
by big3_8_19_21
Oh for sure he's been overrated for years. I remember all the insane hype about "the next KG" or whatever it was, but Ridnour and a late 1st (in a sub-par draft) is a robbery of the Wolves?
Re: Knicks interested in Ridnour
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:52 pm
by magnumt
younggunsmn wrote:Interesting. Trading Luke would lock us into Flynn long term. Randolph is going to be worth more than that Utah pick (mid 20's) in a weak 2011 draft. Randolph could provide some interior D as a backup PF if he can clear the rocks out of his skull.
Kind of doubt NY would bite for 2 reasons:
1. Poor return for Randolph
2. Ridnour's contract screws up their 3yrs. 3 big FA plan (melo 2011, CP3 2012), although a new CBA or lower revenues could kill that dream anyways.
They could bite though as they currently are playoff bound and D'antoni is a very PG-centric coach and Ridnour would be a perfect fit.
NY wouldn't pursue a 2012 FA if they Traded for Melo (which is the only reason they'd pursue Luke IMO). They'd likely have to jettison Gallo, Fields, Mozgov, etc just to be even remotely close to Max $$$ in 2012, and even then it's HIGHLY unlikely with a Melo extension.
Walsh reiterated recently that getting a Big 3 like what Miami did isn't exactly the only way to Win. He's been pushing hard for a Deep Team like the Indy and Knicks had, rather that a Big 3 with no Depth.
I have a strong feeling that he'll try his best to Trade for Melo rather than sign him, because it would not only lock him up but also open up more Options for NY. Including:
--The use of the MLE
--Allow NY to resign Chandler (if he isn't already moved in a Deal)
--Explore other followup Trades (like this one), now knowing what you have locked into place and what your Salaries would look like
--Get Chemistry building early, using the rest of this Year, rather than having to wait for Training Camp and next Year (or after with a possible Lockout), and risk a slow start like the Heat had.
--Mags
Re: Knicks interested in Ridnour
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:56 pm
by Krapinsky
big3_8_19_21 wrote:Punk wrote:AQuintus wrote:Ridnour + late 1st for Randolph?
Rid hasn't been much of a calming veteran presence anyway, so I wouldn't be opposed to having Telfair and/or Gains backup Flynn for the rest of the season.
If you like being the victim of robbery then yes, we take that offer.
This in an interesting response...Randolph is not thought of highly in New York it would seem.
I think everyone on here undersells Ridnour too.