Where would we be if....

Mikchek · Post #1 » by **Mikchek** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:56 am

We drafted Rubio and Curry instead of Rubio and Flynn? I feel like it is so de ja vu of the year we didnt draft Roy...Curry is a BEAST and Flynn...well he is flynn...Love is obviously a BEAST also but I think this years draft would have been a bit different and we would be a lil higher on the food chain....sorry just venting a bit...

AQuintus · Post #2 » by **AQuintus** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:58 am

Our offensive numbers are fine (we're currently 8th in the league at 102.4 points per game). It's our defense that sucks (2nd to last in the league). Curry doesn't do anything to help with that.

Kahn · Post #3 » by **Kahn** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:02 am

I would imagine these type of threads would get old.

Hindsight is 20/20

We had no hardline confirmation that Rubio would for sure come over.
Flynn was security, I don't buy Kahn's line about them playing together.
I also don't buy that Kahn was going to package Flynn and #16 for Evans.

Curry on this team would help with your outside shooting.

Would it improve your perimeter defense? I doubt it.

Would I take Curry over Flynn, Yes. Is it going to happen? No

There would be a different tune if Flynn had blown up and Rubio was on his way.
Also if Wes or Martell were dropping bombs you wouldn't be talking about Curry at the 2.

So much of it is getting lucky. Who knows, Flynn/Martell/Wes all still make blow up and you'll be thankful Curry wasn't the choice. Too early to say at this point.

Yes We Kahn · Post #4 » by **Yes We Kahn** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:08 am

Kahn meets Yes We Kahn

Kahn · Post #5 » by **Kahn** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:18 am

Yes We Kahn wrote:Kahn meets Yes We Kahn

Good to meet you.

It's my actual last name. But I'm flattered you are a fan of both Matt Kahn (me) and David Kahn of the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Yes We Kahn · Post #6 » by **Yes We Kahn** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:21 am

Kahn wrote:
Yes We Kahn wrote:Kahn meets Yes We Kahn

Good to meet you.

It's my actual last name. But I'm flattered you are a fan of both Matt Kahn (me) and David Kahn of the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Haha I am a fan of any Kahn.

southern wolf · Post #7 » by **southern wolf** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:28 am

AQuintus wrote:Our offensive numbers are fine (we're currently 8th in the league at 102.4 points per game). It's our defense that sucks (2nd to last in the league). Curry doesn't do anything to help with that.

So you're saying you don't think we'd be a better team with Curry? He may not be the best defender, but he's still a shining beacon compared to Flynn.

Post #8 » by **The J Rocka** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:30 am

Well the excuse for this one is that he didn't want to workout here or his dad was doing the decision making and was against the idea of having his son playing here.

B Calrissian · Post #9 » by **B Calrissian** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:35 am

Kahn wrote:I would imagine these type of threads would get old.

Yep.

Also I'm fine with the team we have compared to a team with KG and Roy on max deals and maybe one good knee between them.

AQuintus · Post #10 » by **AQuintus** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:39 am

southern wolf wrote:So you're saying you don't think we'd be a better team with Curry? He may not be the best defender, but he's still a shining beacon compared to Flynn.

We'd probably be better, but not much better. If Curry is a better defender than Flynn, it's not by much, and like Flynn, he really isn't all that good at running an offense or setting up his teammates for easy hoops. Either way, like Flynn, Curry would be sent to the bench or traded as soon as Rubio is signed (because Rubio fits the team's needs at PG to a t), so having one or the other doesn't matter much in the long term. The biggest advantage that Curry would have over Flynn for this team is that he's tall enough to play spot minutes at the 2, so Rubio and Curry might have been able to play together a little.

I'd say that for the future we need a Point that plays good D and runs an offense (that's Rubio) and a backup that doesn't take stupid shots, plays D (Ridnour is ruled out after those first 2), and moves the ball around. The best case for this season would be to trade Ridnour now for Randolph (or whoever) to get out from under his contract and then play Flynn with Telfair or Gaines backing him up. We can look for that perfect backup in next year's free agency.

shangrila · Post #11 » by **shangrila** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:43 am

The team might not have as much trouble in late game situations, and Rubio would probably be on the trade block, but it wouldn't change much more then that. Like AQ said it's defence that's holding the team back, not offence.

Mikchek · Post #12 » by **Mikchek** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:45 am

I just look at Curry as a future all-star...flynn not so much...while Rubio was possibly not coming over I think there were other things that could have been addressed in the draft if we got Curry. Kahn could have traded for a temporary/back up PG. Hell Telfair is serviceable. I'm not saying I don't like our current team. I'm just in 20/20 hindsight looking at our past drafts wishing we made different decisions.

Piecake · Post #13 » by **Piecake** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:49 am

I thought Curry was going to be a complete bust so was glad that we drafted Flynn. I was a bit wrong on that...

shangrila · Post #14 » by **shangrila** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:55 am

I think Kahn believed he wouldn't be able to become a PG. He was wrong, but I'll cut him some slack considering he had no coach and a FO that was half out the door.

shrink · Post #15 » by **shrink** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:00 am

I think we'd be saying, "Where would we be if we had drafted Curry instead of Flynn?" after Flynn goes 19-7 in his rookie year, with no leash whatsoever in GSW

jade_hippo · Post #16 » by **jade_hippo** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:44 am

I think once everyone realizes Flynn is more Jason Terry than he is John Stockton, then the healing can begin.

LOBO 7 · Post #17 » by **LOBO 7** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:51 am

jade_hippo wrote:I think once everyone realizes Flynn is more Jason Terry than he is John Stockton, then the healing can begin.

Exactly. I still think we should keep him long-term as a spark off the bench. If he reaches his ceiling he could be one of the more dynamic bench players in the league.

Piecake · Post #18 » by **Piecake** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:21 am

Flynn seems to be the type of player who has played on the ball his entire life and has no clue what to do when it's not in his hands. Even on defense, he gravitates towards the ball. On offense he cuts towards the hoop or to the ball handler when he should focus on spacing. Anyone who looked at him before the draft and thought he could play off the ball is...well, hey, look at that pretty kitten!

From Canis Hoopus, And i have to say I generally agree. If we get a good, long-term pg, how does Flynn be a significant spark off the bench when he can't play off the ball?

AQuintus · Post #19 » by **AQuintus** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:25 am

LOBO 7 wrote:
Exactly. I still think we should keep him long-term as a spark off the bench. If he reaches his ceiling he could be one of the more dynamic bench players in the league.

Where do the minutes come from though? Flynn obviously isn't going to be able to play the 2 spot. So that means Rubio move over to the 2 (not a good thing) and that cuts into Johnson's and Webster's minutes (also not a good thing).

LOBO 7 · Post #20 » by **LOBO 7** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:29 am

Piecake wrote:
Flynn seems to be the type of player who has played on the ball his entire life and has no clue what to do when it's not in his hands. Even on defense, he gravitates towards the ball. On offense he cuts towards the hoop or to the ball handler when he should focus on spacing. Anyone who looked at him before the draft and thought he could play off the ball is...well, hey, look at that pretty kitten!

From Canis Hoopus, And i have to say I generally agree. If we get a good, long-term pg, how does Flynn be a significant spark off the bench when he can't play off the ball?

To be fair, he is still really young and seems to have a good head on his shoulders. I think he still has plenty of potential to learn a lot of different things, including playing off the ball. I just think people are really too quick to judge him, especially on this season's performances, considering he just came back. He had a solid game tonight.
Once Rubio comes over I don't think he will be instantly ready for huge minutes, so ideally Jonny would back him up for 20-25 MPG.