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The future of Martell Webster

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:15 am
by teven_1
I remember at the start of the season I was convinced Martell was going to be gone after the seasons end.
Lately given the role he has on the team and the closeness of the team in general I think he may stay.
a couple questions:
do you think he will stay?
should he stay?
Are Beasley and Martell good on the wings together (or are they both SF's)
We can't bring Martell of the bench if we keep him, I can't see it.

Going forward would this be a good team:
Rubio, Martell, Beasley, Love and Darko?
I like it, the only question mark for me is, whats our bench look like then and is Martell an SG. I know for our system it matters less but still

Re: The future of Martell Webster

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:25 am
by B Calrissian
A couple questions for you..

Why were you convinced he would be gone at seasons end?

Why can't we bring him off the bench?

He seems to have the best attitude on the team so I don't think coming off the bench would be a problem for him. I'm sure he is already enjoying the freedom on offense he has compared to when he played in Portland.

As for him being a sg or not, I think he would be fine starting at sg. The obvious concern would be him guarding smaller (thus quicker) sg. However if you look at the teams in the nba not many of them are running small backcourts these days. The exceptions being GS with Ellis at sg and to a lesser extent LA with Gordon.

Re: The future of Martell Webster

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:45 am
by shangrila
Yeah, gone by the end of the season? What made you think that?

He's fine. The last week or so he's been our team's best wing, he's still young, on a good contract, has both a high IQ and character, fits the system, has chemistry with the guys, is versatile, etc. He's exactly what the team needs going forward and hopefully they can find a few more guys like him.

Re: The future of Martell Webster

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:08 pm
by cpfsf
A 3 man wing rotation of Johnson, Beasley, and Webster beats any of our rotations in the past.

Re: The future of Martell Webster

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:12 pm
by dakim
how about brewer? >.<

Re: The future of Martell Webster

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:12 pm
by C.lupus
My answers in bold:
teven_1 wrote:.
a couple questions:
do you think he will stay? Yes.
should he stay? Yes.
Are Beasley and Martell good on the wings together (or are they both SF's) Yes.
We can't bring Martell of the bench if we keep him, I can't see it. I don't see why not.

Going forward would this be a good team:
Rubio, Martell, Beasley, Love and Darko? Yes.
I like it, the only question mark for me is, whats our bench look like then (Flynn, Johnson, Tolliver, Pekovic) and is Martell an SG (Yes). I know for our system it matters less but still

I don't see any issue with Martell at SG. I don't really see an issue with him off the bench, either. I would kind of like to see Rambis play with him starting to see if Johnson might be more aggressive coming off the bench (and playing with Flynn). Otherwise, Martell is here to stay (hopefully).

Re: The future of Martell Webster

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:25 pm
by Kahn
dakim wrote:how about brewer? >.<



What about him?

The guy should and will be gone next year.

Re: The future of Martell Webster

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:39 pm
by Krapinsky
Brewer may be out of the league next year.

Re: The future of Martell Webster

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:49 pm
by Klomp
C.lupus wrote:My answers in bold:
teven_1 wrote:.
a couple questions:
do you think he will stay? Yes.
should he stay? Yes.
Are Beasley and Martell good on the wings together (or are they both SF's) Yes.
We can't bring Martell of the bench if we keep him, I can't see it. I don't see why not.

Going forward would this be a good team:
Rubio, Martell, Beasley, Love and Darko? Yes.
I like it, the only question mark for me is, whats our bench look like then (Flynn, Johnson, Tolliver, Pekovic) and is Martell an SG (Yes). I know for our system it matters less but still

I don't see any issue with Martell at SG. I don't really see an issue with him off the bench, either. I would kind of like to see Rambis play with him starting to see if Johnson might be more aggressive coming off the bench (and playing with Flynn). Otherwise, Martell is here to stay (hopefully).


A large part of me wants to see him start, but theres still part saying that Beasley won't work well with Beasley. I understand the Flynn/Johnson dynamic, but hopefully Flynn will be starting over Ridnour soon anyways.

The stuff I saw from him last night though sold me. He is currently our best all-around perimeter player, and it might not be close. He also seems to be a vet leader for this young team. Did anyone catch his interview going into halftime last night? Thats the kind of things a leader says.

Re: The future of Martell Webster

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:39 pm
by jpatrick
Webster is much better than I thought he would be. I have no problems with him sticking around as our third wing long term. I'm starting to feel that Johnson will never be as good as Webster is right now. Johnson is more athletic but is he really going to develop that much more skill wise? He's only one year younger than Webster.

Re: The future of Martell Webster

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:57 pm
by Yes We Kahn
dakim wrote:how about brewer? >.<

All I want for Christmas is for Brewer to be on another team.

Re: The future of Martell Webster

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:06 pm
by Krapinsky
Yes We Kahn wrote:
dakim wrote:how about brewer? >.<

All I want for Christmas is for Brewer to be on another team.


Me too, but what I can't seem to figure out is why he is almost always one of our best players in +/- recently

Re: The future of Martell Webster

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:21 pm
by Yes We Kahn
Krapinsky wrote:
Yes We Kahn wrote:
dakim wrote:how about brewer? >.<

All I want for Christmas is for Brewer to be on another team.


Me too, but what I can't seem to figure out is why he is almost always one of our best players in +/- recently

Yeah, I can't understand that either.

Re: The future of Martell Webster

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:47 pm
by revprodeji
Krapinsky wrote:Brewer may be out of the league next year.


No chance. He is energetic enough that somebody will sign him for the bench hustle job.

Re: The future of Martell Webster

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:02 pm
by NewWolvesOrder
revprodeji wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:Brewer may be out of the league next year.


No chance. He is energetic enough that somebody will sign him for the bench hustle job.


+1,
I just hope it will be somebody else.

Re: The future of Martell Webster

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:23 pm
by eyeteeth
Yes We Kahn wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:Me too, but what I can't seem to figure out is why he is almost always one of our best players in +/- recently

Yeah, I can't understand that either.

Not sure why this is difficult. Brewer significantly impairs the offense of opponents' main scorers, creates turnovers and gets to the foul line. All of these are +/- gold.

People don't like him just because his jump shot sucks. I say so what. He wants to play, and wants to make a difference more than anybody on the team. If Beasley had a motor like Brewer he would be a monster.

Re: The future of Martell Webster

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:45 pm
by shangrila
If Beasley had a motor like Brewer he'd average more turnovers then points

Re: The future of Martell Webster

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:56 pm
by Ice32
eyeteeth wrote:
Yes We Kahn wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:Me too, but what I can't seem to figure out is why he is almost always one of our best players in +/- recently

Yeah, I can't understand that either.

Not sure why this is difficult. Brewer significantly impairs the offense of opponents' main scorers, creates turnovers and gets to the foul line. All of these are +/- gold.

People don't like him just because his jump shot sucks. I say so what. He wants to play, and wants to make a difference more than anybody on the team. If Beasley had a motor like Brewer he would be a monster.


Exactly, the guy is a positive influence on the court, because he does the little things that dont always show up on the boxscore...he takes charges, he draws fouls, he hits FTs, he forces turnovers, he gets deflections, he scores in double figures consistently. He gets 2 steals a game, 3 rebounds, 2 assists.

Yeah hes shooting bad at 37% from the field, but a stack of NBA guards in this league shoot 40% or less from the field:

Rudy Fernandez - 37
James Harden - 38
Anthony Parker - 39
Tyreke Evans - 39
Louis Williams - 36
Toney Douglas - 39
Jarrett Jack - 39
CJ Watson - 35
Dorrell Wright - 38
John Salmons - 38
Richard Hamilton - 40
JR Smith - 40
Chase Budinger - 38
Ron Artest - 39
Quentin Richardson - 37
James Posey - 37
Rasual Butler - 34
Keith Bogans - 39

Re: The future of Martell Webster

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:01 pm
by Esohny
So Brewer shoots comparably to a bunch of players who are having terrible years, most of which are barely rotation players? Joy.

At least a few of those players can shoot a decent percentage from 3pt range (a sterling 25% for Corey, ugh).

His only real positive is drawing fouls and getting to the line, but he's still an offensive drain. On defense, he gets an occasional steal, which is often balanced by his man getting a clear path to the basket when he gambles.

He's not good.

Re: The future of Martell Webster

Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:45 pm
by Ice32
Esohny wrote:So Brewer shoots comparably to a bunch of players who are having terrible years, most of which are barely rotation players? Joy.

At least a few of those players can shoot a decent percentage from 3pt range (a sterling 25% for Corey, ugh).

His only real positive is drawing fouls and getting to the line, but he's still an offensive drain. On defense, he gets an occasional steal, which is often balanced by his man getting a clear path to the basket when he gambles.

He's not good.


Brewer was never an offensive threat, he wasnt drafted by the Wolves for his offense. In Florida he was a run n gun player who scored points on drives, layups, dunks, occasionaly threes. His Rookie year, he had limited playing time, 2nd season injured, last season he improved in all areas.

This season hes off the bench...so yeah, his confidence probably dropped a little, and hes not really the 1st, 2nd or 3rd option on offense even in the 2nd Unit. I have seen a lot of plays lately when the Wolves will pass him the ball with 2 secs left on the shot clock, or he jacks up three pointers to end quarters, he gets blocked/fouled driving into the lane. I wouldnt say hes Not Good. I would say hes doing what the Wolves expect him to do. Score when he can, play defense and hustle.