Would you beat this offer for OJ Mayo?

[shrink]

Rumor has it that the Bulls and Grizz are discussing a deal in this neighborhood:

Mayo + D Arthur for Taj Gibson + J Johnson + Bogans + 1st

Would you offer more than that to bring Mayo here?

[LordBaldric]

The first they are talking about is the Bobcat's conditional first that the Bulls got on the Tyrus Thomas trade, which could possibly turn into a great pick down the road, a la our pick to the Clippers...

[younggunsmn]

I'm trying to think what an equivalent offer would be. Something like Flynn+Brewer+Koufos+MEM pick back for Mayo+Thabeet. And I'd probably do that, even though it would cause a huge wing glut.
What is Mayo's defense like? If it's no better than Wes or Webster this is a hard deal to make. Rumor is that Xavier Henry is starting because he's a much better defender than Mayo.

If we could turn Mayo into a triangle PG we could have one explosive team offensively.
Kind of sad to see what Lionel Hollins has done to Mayo's trade value at this point.

[horaceworthy]

Kind of sad to see what Lionel Hollins has done to Mayo's trade value at this point.

Mayo didn't exactly help himself by starting off the year playing like buttcheese. Although he does seem to be playing better as of late.

Rumor has it that the Bulls and Grizz are discussing a deal in this neighborhood:

Mayo + D Arthur for Taj Gibson + J Johnson + Bogans + 1st

Would you offer more than that to bring Mayo here?

If I were the Bulls I'm not sure I'd be willing to give up Taj for that package, particularly with Noah out.

[lewdog]

I'm trying to think what an equivalent offer would be. Something like Flynn+Brewer+Koufos+MEM pick back for Mayo+Thabeet. And I'd probably do that, even though it would cause a huge wing glut.

Wing glut or not, if Flynn is involved.......... than yes.

What is Mayo's defense like? If it's no better than Wes or Webster this is a hard deal to make. Rumor is that Xavier Henry is starting because he's a much better defender than Mayo.

Defense or not, if Flynn is involved.......... than yes.

[Esohny]

Did you have anything in mind? Like the Dark Lord mentioned, that 1st in the proposed charlotte trade is possibly better than the memphis or utah picks (together).

[jscott]

I'd part with Flynn, Brewer, Koufus and a 1st for Mayo and Hasheem if they'd do it.

I'm not sure that offer is better than the Bulls offer though either.

[flexbuffchest]

I'm trying to think what an equivalent offer would be. Something like Flynn+Brewer+Koufos+MEM pick back for Mayo+Thabeet. And I'd probably do that, even though it would cause a huge wing glut.

Wing glut or not, if Flynn is involved.......... than yes.

What is Mayo's defense like? If it's no better than Wes or Webster this is a hard deal to make. Rumor is that Xavier Henry is starting because he's a much better defender than Mayo.

Defense or not, if Flynn is involved.......... than yes.

I like the way you think.

[shangrila]

Is that the Memphis or Chicago offer? I remember both teams offered different packages that the other wouldn't trade for.

But no I would not. Mayo has been playing better because he's allowed to handle the ball more with the 2nd unit. If he goes somewhere where he plays off the ball again, like here or ironically Chicago, he'll revert to what he's been for the last 2 or so years. Add to that his matador defence and he doesn't provide a lot for this team, especially if they have to top that offer from Chicago which is overpaying in my mind.

[shrink]

Is that the Memphis or Chicago offer? I remember both teams offered different packages that the other wouldn't trade for.

I tried to pick something in the middle. This rumor has been discredited, but the price seems about right. I don't know if the CHA pick is involved.

A reliable inside source who has exclusively reported dozens of other past trades.

Memphis Proposal
Chicago
OJ Mayo
Darrell Arthur

Memphis
Taj Gibson
Omer Asik
James Johnson
Charlotte draft pick.

Chicago Proposal
Chicago
OJ Mayo
Darell Arthur

Memphis
Taj Gibson
James Johnson
Keith Bogans
Possible draft pick
Filler

The Bulls and Grizzlies had discussed a Mayo to Chicago deal, but the Grizzlies are asking for Taj Gibson, Omer Asik, James Johnson, and the Charlotte draft pick. The Bulls will not do that trade, but have considered doing a Gibson, Johnson, Bogans for Mayo deal, which Memphis wouldn’t do at this point.

If the Bulls are to give up Gibson, then they must ask for Darrell Arthur in return. Arthur has had an overall good year, but is best suited coming off the bench, while Gibson is a starting caliber player. Since the deal isn’t enough for the Grizzlies without Arthur involved, the Bulls should add 2 1st rounders to the deal to give reason to Memphis for Arthur being included. The Bulls don’t have the playing time available to develop a prospect and those two picks could be nice depth for the Grizzlies, and who knows, they could possibly find a gem in the late 1st.

Thank you RalphBB for reporting this

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[abrewbro68]

We already have one player who shoots pretty poor for the position he plays in Love, 42% shooting Mayo is not the kind of thing he team needs

[cpfsf]

Flynn is about as much as I'm willing to trade. Flynn is younger and doesn't need a new contract any time soon. I might consider throwing the Utah pick, but I wouldn't discuss anything beyond that.

[Esohny]

We already have one player who shoots pretty poor for the position he plays in Love, 42% shooting Mayo is not the kind of thing he team needs

OK. what?

[Dewey]

We already have one player who shoots pretty poor for the position he plays in Love, 42% shooting Mayo is not the kind of thing he team needs

OK. what?

^^^

My take on Mayo is that a trade would give him the opportunity to restart his once promising career. He simply has regressed on both ends of the floor IMO ... with Ellington pretty much out of the equation at SG and Brewer starting to fit into his 12-15 minute role, I think Mayo may have a niche in the Wolves rotation.

For the Wolves it would be nice to add a player like this and give a half season to get a feel for the system, then they have the off-season to prepare knowing how they can be productive. Nonetheless, I'm not just not willing to give up anything spectacular to make it happen, and fear his ego may not allow him to accept "earning" a spot in our rotation.

[shrink]

So in your estimation taj/mayo would be lopsided?

No, Taj is the closest to a fit that the Bulls could offer. That said, I still don't think it's the kind of deal that Heisley is looking for.

What kind of deal do you think Heisley is looking for.

From what I picked up he is looking for a backup PG who can shoot 3's.

MEM 1st returned and Ridnour?

[Foye]

MEM 1st returned and Ridnour?

I would take Taj over that package.

[shrink]

That MEM 1st is going to be valuable.

2011: Top 14 protected
2012: Top 12 protected
2013: Top 10 protected
2014: Top 9 protected
2015: Top 9 protected
2016: Cash

If lots of NBA talent stays in college to avoid the nba lockout, the 2012 pick is going to have lottery-level picks down to about 22. Moreover, its more valuable for MEM, because it isn't protected from them, provides trade flexibility from the Stepian rule, and provides insurance in case they fail.

I'm not a big Mayo fan, but I like that MEM pick better than an OK Taj.

[Krapinsky]

a 2012 Memphis pick isn't going to help them replace Zach Randolph after this year. I think that would be the point in targeting Gibson. We can't really provide similar PF talent unless we make it a three team trade.

Maybe something like Ellington + Utah 1st to Sacramento, Thompson + Memphis 2011 first to Memphis, Mayo to MN.

[shrink]

I would have expected Taj to replace Zach as well, but if you look at the last few years, the Grizzlies never do the traditional (rational?) moves.

GrizzledGrizzFan is one of MEM's best posters, and if he says that's not what the chaotic Heisley is after, I will believe him.

I disagree with some of Kahn's moves, but I'd hate to be a MEM fan with their front office.

[Foye]

That MEM 1st is going to be valuable.

2011: Top 14 protected
2012: Top 12 protected
2013: Top 10 protected
2014: Top 9 protected
2015: Top 9 protected
2016: Cash

If lots of NBA talent stays in college to avoid the nba lockout, the 2012 pick is going to have lottery-level picks down to about 22. Moreover, its more valuable for MEM, because it isn't protected from them, provides trade flexibility from the Stepian rule, and provides insurance in case they fail.

I'm not a big Mayo fan, but I like that MEM pick better than an OK Taj.

Even if that's true here is what Memphis thinks as long as they're kinda in reach of a playoff spot.

They invested much in their core by resigning Gay and extending Conley so they're probably confident that their team will make the playoffs next season if they end up missing them this season and keep the pick.
That makes the pick kinda less valuable for them right now than Taj Gibson who would come in and produce.
If I was the Grizz GM I would choose Taj who's a productive player on a good team right now over the pick. IMO they assume that they'll be a playoff team this or next season so this pick becomes less valueable to them cause they're picking in a worse spot when they lose it. Even if 2012's draft is strong Memphis is likely to be far away from those immediate impact players they would probably target then.
And they'll find a way to acquire a backup PG if they need one. Might be not Ridnour's quality but you get solid backup PG's relatively easily these days. We were able to pick up both Ridnour and Sessions in back to back seasons on relatively reasonable contracts because few teams even had interest although these guys are quality backup PG's. Memphis will find a way to add one, too.