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All numbers from Wyn's spreadsheet, which can be found here:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key= ... SXc&gid=19
Rookie Scale numbers for 2010 and 2011 draftees from NBA players association website.
2012/13 scale numbers estimated as the same as 2011 draftees.
First Column (salary on books) based on all players options/tenders excercised
2nd column (Max cap room) is based on max cap room that can be created if all options/tenders are not excercised and unguaranteed contracts waived. It's an estimate of the amount of cap we could create when free agency starts.
3rd column (Lux Tax Number) Is the same as max cap room, except cap holds for unsigned 1st rounders go off the books (after first game of the season).


2011-12 Salary On Books Max Cap Room Lux Tax Number
1 Michael Beasley 6,262,347 6,262,347 6,262,347 Team Option (Excercised)
2 Martell Webster 5,256,000 5,256,000 5,256,000
3 Darko Milicic 4,779,125 4,779,125 4,779,125
4 Kevin Love 4,609,701 4,609,701 4,609,701 Team Option (Excercised)
5 Nikola Pekovic 4,595,000 4,595,000 4,595,000
6 Wesley Johnson 4,006,080 4,006,080 4,006,080
7 Luke Ridnour 3,680,000 3,680,000 3,680,000
8 Johnny Flynn 3,414,720 3,414,720 3,414,720 Team Option (Excercised)
9 Ricky Rubio 2,900,100 2,900,100 3,480,120
10 Kosta Koufos 2,203,792 2,203,792 2,203,792 Team Option (Excercised)
11 Anthony Tolliver 2,050,000 2,050,000 2,050,000
12 Wayne Ellington 1,154,040 1,154,040 1,154,040 Team Option (Excercised)
13 Lazar Hayward 1,097,520 1,097,520 1,097,520
14 #1 Pick (MN) 2,900,100 2,900,100 3,480,120 Estimated (5th overall)
15 #1 Pick (UTAH) 993,700 993,700 1,192,440 Estimated (24th overall)
16 Corey Brewer 4,966,356 0 0 RFA tender
Total Salary 54,868,581 49,902,225 51,261,005
Cap Room 3,175,419 8,141,775 6,782,995


2012-13 Salary On Books Max Cap Room Lux Tax Number
1 Martell Webster 5,712,000 1,090,120 1,090,120 600k Guaranteed
2 Darko Milicic 5,233,250 5,233,250 5,233,250
3 Nikola Pekovic 4,915,000 4,915,000 4,915,000
4 Wesley Johnson 4,285,560 4,285,560 4,285,560 Team Option
5 Luke Ridnour 4,000,000 4,000,000 4,000,000
6 Johnny Flynn 4,329,865 4,329,865 4,329,865 Team Option
7 Ricky Rubio 3,741,120 3,741,120 3,741,120
8 2011 #1 Pick (MN) 3,741,120 3,741,120 3,741,120 Estimated (5th overall)
9 2011 #1 Pick (UT) 1,281,840 1,281,840 1,281,840 Estimated (24th overall)
10 2012 #1 Pick (MEM) 1,566,900 1,880,280 1,880,280 Estimated (14th overall)
11 Wayne Ellington 2,083,042 490,120 490,120 Team Option
12 Lazar Hayward 1,174,080 490,120 490,120 Team Option
13 Michael Beasley 8,172,363 490,120 490,120 RFA tender
14 Kevin Love 6,112,403 0 0 RFA tender
15 Kosta Koufos 3,206,517 0 0 RFA tender
59,555,060 35,968,515 35,968,515

2013-14 Salary On Books Max Cap Room Lux Tax Number
1 Darko Milicic 5,687,375 2,490,120 2,490,120 Guaranteed for 2,000,000
2 Wesley Johnson 5,421,233 5,421,233 5,421,233 Team Option
3 Luke Ridnour 4,320,000 4,320,000 4,320,000
4 Ricky Rubio 4,002,120 4,002,120 4,002,120 Team Option
5 2011 #1 Pick (MN) 4,002,120 4,002,120 4,002,120 Team Option
6 2011 #1 Pick (UT) 1,371,360 490,120 490,120 Team Option
7 2012 #1 Pick (MEM) 2,162,280 2,162,280 2,162,280 Estimated (14th overall)
8 Lazar Hayward 2,119,214 490,120 490,120 Team Option
9 2013 #1 Pick (MN) 877,300 1,052,760 1,052,760 Estimated (30th overall, ha ha)
10 Nikola Pekovic 5,898,000 490,120 490,120 RFA tender
11 Johnny Flynn 5,776,040 490,120 490,120 RFA tender
12 Wayne Ellington 3,103,733 490,120 490,120 RFA tender
13 Michael Beasley UFA 490,120 490,120
14 Martell Webster UFA 0 0
15 Kevin Love UFA 0 0
16 Kosta Koufos UFA 0 0
44,740,775 26,391,353 26,391,353

Here is a guesstimate based on estimated extensions for Love and Beasley, Keeping Webster and Darko long term, and not excercising Hayward or Ellington's 2012 options.


2011-12 Salary On Books Max Cap Room Lux Tax Number
1 Michael Beasley 6,262,347 6,262,347 6,262,347 Team Option (Excercised)
2 Martell Webster 5,256,000 5,256,000 5,256,000
3 Darko Milicic 4,779,125 4,779,125 4,779,125
4 Kevin Love 4,609,701 4,609,701 4,609,701 Team Option (Excercised)
5 Nikola Pekovic 4,595,000 4,595,000 4,595,000
6 Wesley Johnson 4,006,080 4,006,080 4,006,080
7 Luke Ridnour 3,680,000 3,680,000 3,680,000
8 Johnny Flynn 3,414,720 3,414,720 3,414,720 Team Option (Excercised)
9 Ricky Rubio 2,900,100 2,900,100 3,480,120
10 Kosta Koufos 2,203,792 2,203,792 2,203,792 Team Option (Excercised)
11 Anthony Tolliver 2,050,000 2,050,000 2,050,000
12 Wayne Ellington 1,154,040 1,154,040 1,154,040 Team Option (Excercised)
13 Lazar Hayward 1,097,520 1,097,520 1,097,520
14 #1 Pick (MN) 2,900,100 2,900,100 3,480,120 Estimated (5th overall)
15 #1 Pick (UTAH) 993,700 993,700 1,192,440 Estimated (24th overall)
Total Salary 49,902,225 49,902,225 51,261,005
Cap Room 8,141,775 8,141,775 6,782,995


2012-13 Salary On Books Max Cap Room Lux Tax Number
1 Michael Beasley 11,000,000 8,172,363 11,000,000 RFA tender
2 Kevin Love 12,000,000 6,112,403 11,000,000 RFA tender
3 Martell Webster 5,712,000 5,712,000 5,712,000 600k Guaranteed
4 Darko Milicic 5,233,250 5,233,250 5,233,250
5 Nikola Pekovic 4,915,000 4,915,000 4,915,000
6 Wesley Johnson 4,285,560 4,285,560 4,285,560 Team Option
7 Luke Ridnour 4,000,000 4,000,000 4,000,000
8 Johnny Flynn 4,329,865 4,329,865 4,329,865 Team Option
9 Ricky Rubio 3,741,120 3,741,120 3,741,120
10 2011 #1 Pick (MN) 3,741,120 3,741,120 3,741,120 Estimated (5th overall)
11 2011 #1 Pick (UT) 1,281,840 1,281,840 1,281,840 Estimated (24th overall)
12 2012 #1 Pick (MEM) 1,566,900 1,566,900 1,880,280 Estimated (14th overall)
13 Cap Hold 490,120 490,120 490,120
62,296,775 53,581,541 61,610,155

2013-14 Salary On Books Max Cap Room Lux Tax Number
1 Kevin Love 13,000,000 13,000,000 13,000,000 Estimated Extension
2 Michael Beasley 12,000,000 12,000,000 12,000,000 Estimated Extension
3 Darko Milicic 5,687,375 5,687,375 5,687,375 Guaranteed for 2,000,000
4 Wesley Johnson 5,421,233 5,421,233 5,421,233 Team Option
5 Luke Ridnour 4,320,000 4,320,000 4,320,000
6 Ricky Rubio 4,002,120 4,002,120 4,002,120 Team Option
7 2011 #1 Pick (MN) 4,002,120 4,002,120 4,002,120 Team Option
8 2011 #1 Pick (UT) 1,371,360 490,120 490,120 Team Option
9 2012 #1 Pick (MEM) 2,162,280 2,162,280 2,162,280 Estimated (14th overall)
10 2013 #1 Pick (MN) 877,300 1,052,760 1,052,760 Estimated (30th overall, ha ha)
11 Johnny Flynn 5,776,040 490,120 490,120 RFA tender
12 Martell Webster 490,120 490,120 490,120 UFA
13 Cap Hold 490,120 490,120 490,120
59,600,068 53,608,368 53,608,368

Cap room estimates are based on a 58,044,00 cap for each year.

We have 12 guaranteed 2011 deals, plus Rubio and potentially 2-3 1st rounders.

Money could be a concern as soon as 2012 if we are thinking of making a major move.
Iguaodala for instance carries a 2012 cap number of 13.3 million and 2013 number of 14.7 million.
We would have to probably move at the very least Pekovic and one of Flynn/Webster to make that work financially.

Mayo, McGee, and Randolph are nice targets, but keeping all 4 of Love, Beasley, Mayo, and Randolph/McGee long term might not be feasible, especially if some team comes along and offers a big RFA deal to one of them.

If Love and Beasley are pieces #1 and #2, we can probably only afford one more big piece, but it will come at the cost of moving others. Which is why it makes sense Kahn is considering a "singular move", because we only really have room for one more expensive player. Flynn or Ridnour is going to be moved at some point, but if we move Pek it still is going to cost us money to find a decent backup center.

Pekovic is really the only "bad contract" I see financially. He is really going to have to become a bigger contributor to justify his salary.

Thanks young gunner. You always come with the cap numbers I need.

younggunsmn wrote:Cap room estimates are based on a 58,044,00 cap for each year.

We have 12 guaranteed 2011 deals, plus Rubio and potentially 2-3 1st rounders.

Money could be a concern as soon as 2012 if we are thinking of making a major move.
Iguaodala for instance carries a 2012 cap number of 13.3 million and 2013 number of 14.7 million.
We would have to probably move at the very least Pekovic and one of Flynn/Webster to make that work financially.

Mayo, McGee, and Randolph are nice targets, but keeping all 4 of Love, Beasley, Mayo, and Randolph/McGee long term might not be feasible, especially if some team comes along and offers a big RFA deal to one of them.

If Love and Beasley are pieces #1 and #2, we can probably only afford one more big piece, but it will come at the cost of moving others. Which is why it makes sense Kahn is considering a "singular move", because we only really have room for one more expensive player. Flynn or Ridnour is going to be moved at some point, but if we move Pek it still is going to cost us money to find a decent backup center.

Pekovic is really the only "bad contract" I see financially. He is really going to have to become a bigger contributor to justify his salary.

i can't see us making any trades for a long term expensive deal this season, especially with the uncertainty of the new CBA and what will happen with players current contracts, thanks for the insight

Thanks younggunsmn. I always appreciate the work you put into this.

Good to see you back Shrink.

Pekovic and possibly Hayward are the only 2 deals I'd consider to be "negative value" contracts (IE can't trade them for an expiring), and you can make arguments that's not true either. We've come a long ways from the days when half the roster was full of terrible long term contracts.

What kind of frustrates me is how terrible we are at judging late 1st and 2nd round talent, given how many picks we've had in that range the past few years. Consistently good franchises always seem to find guys to fill the 8,9,10 spots with those types of players. The Spurs seem to find a guy every year, either in the draft or as a rookie FA. Dejuan Blair, George Hill, Gary Neal, Tiago Splitter.

What bothers me is that every year it seems we as mere fans can spot some of these guys that our Front Office passes on. We passed on Marc Gasol for Chris Richard in 2007. In 2008 we passed on DeAndre Jordan twice (we have henk norel's rights and cash to show for that 34th pick). I think taking Hayward about 20 picks too early and passing on Hassan Whiteside last year was a mistake too, with everyone calling for a defensive big to backup Darko.

While Ellington may or may not be a rotation player, this franchise's inability to find quality role players in the late 1st and 2nd round leaves me OK with us trading away so many 2nd rounders. Maybe that will change with Ronzone now scouting stateside. I really don't care if we move the Utah pick too, if it helps us upgrade our rotation with some size and/or defense.

Are those salaries the Max that Love and Beasley can receive?

Foshan wrote:Are those salaries the Max that Love and Beasley can receive?

Just a very loose estimation. Last summer Rudy Gay was eligilbe to receive (and got) an extension starting at 13.6 million, but who knows what will come out of the new CBA. If they both keep producing at the rates they have been so far this year, they both will be 10 mil + players.
Something in the Joakim Noah range (5 yr 60 mil) might be a starting point.

I see. I'm just thinking, that if these are not worked out in advance as an extension, in an open market, Love/Beasley are going to be receiving max offers (whatever the max is) from somebody. Well, definitely Love, and probably Beasley (imo)--funny how a guy goes from being bought for cap space to being a potential 10M+ guy.

nvm