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Let me preface this by saying this is not some sort of Jonny Flynn bashing thread. Instead, I'd like to talk everything about Jonny Flynn since his return. What's worked, what hasn't, etc, etc.



It doesn't take a genius to see that Jonny has been mostly ineffective since he returned a few weeks ago. Some unnecessarily reckless passes, trouble receiving the ball off of made baskets, marginal defense(no surprise), and others. So, why do you think this is?

My thoughts:
-Jonny is either scared to go 100% on his hip or his hip isn't physically 100%. I'm not seeing the explosiveness that is paramount to his game. Something isn't right. I think it will come in time however.
-He's thinking too much. Just play the game. All we need from you is to penetrate and kick, hit the occasional 3, don't turn the ball over, and play marginal defense.
-He's rusty. Who wouldn't be after sitting out that long from playing basketball?

A couple questions:
1. How long do you expect it to take for Jonny to be back to his old self?
2. What could he do to speed up the process?
and the most debatable question...
4. What is Jonny Flynn's potential, not only individual player but with this team as well?

The jury is still out on Jonny, but I know there are at least a few people around here who have high hopes for him. I hope he gets it figured out, he's got good character and is generally a likable guy. Thoughts?

Flynn is bad and doen't fit this team, if there's a team still intrigued by his potential he need's to be offloaded.

He sucks.

I honestly dont know. I dont think any good player should look as bad as Flynn had coming off of injury/missed time. He just looks lost out there. Kosta koufas looks like more of an NBA player than he does.

I am all for giving him the rest of the season to improve, but seeing him like this has really hurt my hopes that he will turn into a good player. His game is predicated on quickness, explosiveness, and getting to the rim.

The problem is, is that he has been terrible at getting to the rim. When he drives the ball in he gets stuck in no-man's-land and either get's the shot rejected or the pass stolen because he leaves himself no passing lanes. His shot has looked pretty good to down right awful - though I imagine that might be one thing that will improve through playing. His defense is still terrible. I really dont understand why he cant keep players in front of him or contest shots when he his quickness is supposed to be one of his strengths.

If he can't penetrate, cant get to the rim, makes stupid decisions when he does drive, and just makes stupid decisions in general, then he isnt going to be worth much to this franchise. He is not goign to be an great defender, play-maker, or shooter, so if he cant do the one thing that he was supposed to be great at, then we simply need to move on.

The one hope I had for Flynn this year was that he would grab the starting PG spot, show improvement over last year and make it a very tough decision between he and Rubio. Whether it's due to the hip or him just not being as good as we had hoped, it's really looking like he will be the odd man out of the Rubio/Ridnour/Flynn discussion going into next year. Unless he turns it around quickly, I hope we trade him before the deadline to upgrade at another position.

I like Johnny Flynn. I think he would be a beast in a pick and roll with Kevin Love or Darko. (Pick and Pops with Love as well)

he's quick but he's a little bit too much of a ball hog, which is weird cuz whenever I watched him at Syracuse I always felt like he did a great job QBing his team (albeit I didn't watch much).

Flynn needs to realize he can help this team most by distributing and running the offense (and leading the break).

If we don't keep him, I think the Mavs could really use him, he'd be an ideal back up for J-kidd. He's fast and could play significant minutes and one day succeed Kidd (wayyy better than JJ Barea)

Kahn reached badly on Flynn when there were clearly better options and got burned, badly. Let's see if he is at least man enough to own up to his mistake and move him before his value completely evaporates. My guess is that he isn't.

I want to watch Telly on my telly again, send Flynn to NDBL.

He needs to get his confidence and burst back. Until that happens he's no good. If that will ever happen, who knows.

He really needs to learn to play within himself. No more blind drives to the basket. Run the pick and roll and make smart decisions. Get the ball to our scorers.

His defense is what's holding him back from even being a serviceable backup right now. His lateral mobility is really disappointing for someone with his size/speed.

His trade value has absolutely bottomed out right now. Patty Mills is a better player at this point, and he was taken at the end of the draft.

We should try to let him regain some of his trade value, but at this point I think it was a big mistake not to unload him in the offseason when we had the chance. If we can get a decent piece to add to our core I wouldn't have a problem moving him right now.

I said before the season started that it would be at least the Allstar break before we saw Flynn back to normal so I'll stick with that. Being rusty and lacking some explosion is normal after an extended absence so I'm not overly concerned with that.

Defensively, he looks completely lost. He plays about 15 feet off his man and just stands around half the time. He should at least know what the defensive scheme is and what he is supposed to do even if he can't physically do it so I don't really know what to think there. Maybe he just truly does suck as a defender.

Offensively, he seems to be trying way too hard. He needs to slow down a bit and simplify his game. Just bring the ball up the floor like a normal ball player instead of making five unnecessary between-the-legs dribbles. Make a normal pass instead of trying a fancy bounce pass. things like that. Simple is better.

Long-term prognosis: he won't be here.

younggunsmn wrote:He really needs to learn to play within himself. No more blind drives to the basket. Run the pick and roll and make smart decisions. Get the ball to our scorers.

His defense is what's holding him back from even being a serviceable backup right now. His lateral mobility is really disappointing for someone with his size/speed. His trade value has absolutely bottomed out right now. Patty Mills is a better player at this point, and he was taken at the end of the draft.

We should try to let him regain some of his trade value, but at this point I think it was a big mistake not to unload him in the offseason when we had the chance. If we can get a decent piece to add to our core I wouldn't have a problem moving him right now.

I blame his oversized shoe/feet size. he has mobility of wing player and midget Bball height.

Flynn said that there is, "No stiffness, no tightness." I'm sure it's just a matter of shaking of the rust at this point. He won't be logging in major minutes any time soon especially now that Ridnour is playing so well.

If Rubio does indeed come over, I expect to see Flynn traded.

Well, I guess one positive out of this is that it will at least assuage Rubio's possible apprehensions of coming over here and not getting minutes

He is a bad player right now but I can hardly hold most of that against him. I don't know why people's expecations are always so lofty in these situations but we need to understand what it means to be a 21 year old rookie coming back from a big injury.

Jonny was still largely in the genesis stage of developing his NBA game when he got hurt it shouldn't be a major surprise that he is struggling. Like David Kahn said, a veteran player like Webster will find it easier to come back because he has a foundation to always come back to. Flynn doesn't have that foundation yet in the NBA.

He was obviously playing better than this last year. We have seen that he has skills. I wouldn't move him unless a really good deal came along. I don't think we can just assume that Rubio will pan out wonderfully in the NBA and I want all the options I can get.

I would like to see Flynn get his minutes scaled back a bit until he can play better. That way Telfair can get some play time and help us win some games. Right now I think he's the better PG. Players, young players especially, need time to come back. When you miss significant time away from basketball you rarely just come out of the gate full force upon return. That's why injuries like this are so devastating.

Calinks wrote:He is a bad player right now but I can hardly hold most of that against him. I don't know why people's expecations are always so lofty in these situations but we need to understand what it means to be a 21 year old rookie coming back from a big injury.

Jonny was still largely in the genesis stage of developing his NBA game when he got hurt it shouldn't be a major surprise that he is struggling. Like David Kahn said, a veteran player like Webster will find it easier to come back because he has a foundation to always come back to. Flynn doesn't have that foundation yet in the NBA.

He was obviously playing better than this last year. We have seen that he has skills. I wouldn't move him unless a really good deal came along. I don't think we can just assume that Rubio will pan out wonderfully in the NBA and I want all the options I can get.

I would like to see Flynn get his minutes scaled back a bit until he can play better. That way Telfair can get some play time and help us win some games. Right now I think he's the better PG. Players, young players especially, need time to come back. When you miss significant time away from basketball you rarely just come out of the gate full force upon return. That's why injuries like this are so devastating.

One of the better posts you've made recently.

That's why I was so reluctant to jump on the "Wait until Flynn comes back" and "Flynn is going to dominate the D-league" trains.

Can I just say that all the negativity on this board is getting tough to handle. Nobody is patient anymore. I feel like this board has been overtaken by negative Nancys. I liked it better when we were terrible, yet still had some good back'n'forth whilst having a good time and making some jokes.

Now, even though we still suck, everytime I come to the board and see a thread where we can discuss a player, it's about how much they suck (Flynn, Ridnour, Telfair, Pek (after 1/3 of a season), Brewer). It really is draining, and makes posting on the forum MUCH LESS ENJOYABLE. If I'm in the minority I'll stop whining, but we've been terrible for quite some time and this season isn't make-or-break, So I really don't understand all the negativity.

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As far as Flynn goes, my opinion on him is like my opinion on the rest of the team. GIVE IT SOME TIME. It's very common that players coming off injuries (especially young ones) shy away from contact until they get used to the game again. This could take the remainder of the season. At the rate Jonny improved month to month from last year, I think it's silly to throw him under the bus after a few weeks of under-par games.
That said, since we have Ridnour and hopefully Rubio coming over ~ If we can move Flynn+assets for an upgrade, by all means pull the trigger.

Like I said in the opening post Breakdown, this thread is not meant to throw Flynn under a bus. It's not about negativity. It's about everyone's opinions on why he's struggled, how or whether he will improve, how long it may take, and his future with the team. If people made it into a negative subject I'm sorry.

Last night he seemed timid and made careless plays. He drove into the lane twice and got in the air without thinking of what next to do. The passes he made were poor also. The one he made to Brewer on the break set me over the edge with him. If he doesn't pick it up soon, I think it's time we ship him out.