How long do we have to put up with Rambis?

Vindicater · Post #1 » by **Vindicater** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 3:52 am

He is easily in the bottom five of currant NBA coaches.

He has one good skill (Player development) that is more suited to a role as a senior assistent.

Every other coaching skill of his is sub-par.

His rotations sucks.
His in game coaching sucks.
His ability to notice trends in a game sucks.
His ability to exploit mismatches sucks.

Klomp had a friendly dig at me in the CHarlotte game thread saying that I am never behind Rambis except for when we win, but to be honest even then I feel that Beasely or Love deserve around 98% of the credit for those wins.

It is fair to blame some of our late game struggles on the youth of our team but a large amount of the blame has to fall on the coach who has no idea how to manage the team and adjust to the pace/pressure of thge last quarter.

This team has enormous potential, unfortunately it will never reach that potential as long as Rambis is in control.

Post #2 » by **Klomp** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 3:57 am

What took you so long?

LOBO 7 · Post #3 » by **LOBO 7** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 3:58 am

How long do we have to put up with Vindicater?

Vindicater · Post #4 » by **Vindicater** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 4:00 am

LOBO 7 wrote:How long do we have to put up with Vindicater?

A hell of alot longer than Rambis... Hopefully we start counting how long sometime in the next month or so.

shangrila · Post #5 » by **shangrila** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 4:03 am

You've got to be kidding me.

Rambis didn't lose us this game. Stupid **** turnovers and missing easy FTs ALL GAME lost this one.

abrewbro68 · Post #6 » by **abrewbro68** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 4:08 am

We had no business being in this game after we were down by 16. We came back and ran out of gas...but it doesn't help when you coach draws up pretty turrible out of bounds plays

Vindicater · Post #7 » by **Vindicater** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 4:10 am

shangrila wrote:You've got to be kidding me.

Rambis didn't lose us this game. Stupid **** turnovers and missing easy FTs ALL GAME lost this one.

I am not just saying this game.

Losing (I think its now 11 games?) when going into the fourth quarter with a lead is unacceptable.

One example from this game.

Diaw had five fouls for 15 god damn minutes and is one of their two decent bigs. Any other coach in the world (even junior high coaches) would have called a timeout and told the team to drive, drive and drive some more at Diaw because he will either...

A). Lay off you because he is scared of picking up the foul.

B). Foul you and then be out of the game.

UNACCEPTABLE.

As I said, I am willing to blame some of these losses on our youth, but alot of these guys have played in important games and for big programs in college. They know what pressure is like.

Casperkid23 · Post #8 » by **Casperkid23** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 4:10 am

moss_is_1 · Post #9 » by **moss_is_1** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 4:14 am

Vindicater wrote:
shangrila wrote:You've got to be kidding me.

Rambis didn't lose us this game. Stupid **** turnovers and missing easy FTs ALL GAME lost this one.

I am not just saying this game.

Losing (I think its now 11 games?) when going into the fourth quarter with a lead is unacceptable.

One example from this game.

Diaw had five fouls for 15 god damn minutes and is one of their two decent bigs. Any other coach in the world (even junior high coaches) would have called a timeout and told the team to drive, drive and drive some more at Diaw because he will either...

A). Lay off you because he is scared of picking up the foul.

B). Foul you and then be out of the game.

UNACCEPTABLE.

As I said, I am willing to blame some of these losses on our youth, but alot of these guys have played in important games and for big programs in college. They know what pressure is like.

That's what happens when you have a young team pal. How do you know Rambis isn't telling them those exact things, but in the heat of the moment they just don't? Our average age is what...24? Ridnour and Darko are vets and they are 29, and 25...

shangrila · Post #10 » by **shangrila** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 4:14 am

I'm not going to do this dance with you because I'm not in the mood, but if you honestly watched that game and thought "oh well, this proves it, time for a fire Rambis thread" then you're a lost cause.

We didn't lose the game because whoever was on Diaw didn't get the ball. We lost the game because nobody could make a FT or a decent pass. THAT has been why we constantly lose close games like this, not because of Rambis.

Vindicater · Post #11 » by **Vindicater** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 4:17 am

Casperkid23 wrote::roll:

Nice input.

The drive for mediocrity in our fanbase blows my mind sometimes.

Rambis has the worst coaching record in our clubs history... Bill freaking Musselman had our expansion team winning more than Rambis has this team...

Vindicater · Post #12 » by **Vindicater** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 4:19 am

shangrila wrote:I'm not going to do this dance with you because I'm not in the mood, but if you honestly watched that game and thought "oh well, this proves it, time for a fire Rambis thread" then you're a lost cause..

Two can play that game, If you can't see that Rambis is part of the problem and not the solution then you're a lost cause...

Casperkid23 · Post #13 » by **Casperkid23** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 4:22 am

Vindicater wrote:
Casperkid23 wrote::roll:

Nice input.

The drive for mediocrity in our fanbase blows my mind sometimes.

Rambis has the worst coaching record in our clubs history... Bill freaking Musselman had our expansion team winning more than Rambis has this team...

The stuff you posted didn't deserve quality input, it deserved a :roll:

Post #14 » by **The J Rocka** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 4:26 am

If you brought in Doc Rivers, Phil Jackson, or Greg Pop, we still lose this. Why? Because we still can't defend, players still miss shots & free throws, still get turnovers, and our guards still can't dribble. Does the coach control everything that the players do? No. WE lost this, not one individual.

Grits n Gravy · Post #15 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 4:28 am

J_Era_3 wrote:If you brought in Doc Rivers, Phil Jackson, or Greg Pop, we still lose this. Why? Because we still can't defend, players still miss shots & free throws, still get turnovers, and our guards still can't dribble. Does the coach control everything that the players do? No. WE lost this, not one individual.

agreed....it went something like this....missed free throws, turnovers, and incredibly dumb fouls with a dash of bad officiating at inopportune times

shangrila · Post #16 » by **shangrila** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 4:30 am

Vindicater wrote:
shangrila wrote:I'm not going to do this dance with you because I'm not in the mood, but if you honestly watched that game and thought "oh well, this proves it, time for a fire Rambis thread" then you're a lost cause..

Two can play that game, If you can't see that Rambis is part of the problem and not the solution then you're a lost cause...

Yes, because Rambis forces Darko to throw passes like he's Steve Nash. Rambis forces Johnson to do a no look pass straight to the opposition. Rambis forces Ridnour and Flynn to make ridiculous fouls. And while he's doing all that, he uses his zen powers to force the team to miss over 60% of their FTs.

I'm converted. This is all Rambis' fault.

abrewbro68 · Post #17 » by **abrewbro68** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 4:31 am

J_Era_3 wrote:If you brought in Doc Rivers, Phil Jackson, or Greg Pop, we still lose this. Why? Because we still can't defend, players still miss shots & free throws, still get turnovers, and our guards still can't dribble. Does the coach control everything that the players do? No. WE lost this, not one individual.

Couldn't disagree more. this team can't defend because of the coaching/scheme. doc Rivers or pop would have this team playing much better defense. They might never practice offense again for the season and just do defense all day, but if that's what it takes, oh well.

Vindicater · Post #18 » by **Vindicater** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 4:40 am

J_Era_3 wrote:If you brought in Doc Rivers, Phil Jackson, or Greg Pop, we still lose this. Why? Because we still can't defend, players still miss shots & free throws, still get turnovers, and our guards still can't dribble. Does the coach control everything that the players do? No. WE lost this, not one individual.

Doc Rivers, Phil Jackson and Greg Pop can't control

*Missed free throws.
*Silly turnovers
*Dribbling ability.

What they can control is.

*Create a defensive scheme that works to strengths and hides/limits weaknesses
*Use a proper rotation and realise when certain players are firing and others are failing.
*Notice which players the other team has on the floor and change gameplan accordingly.
*Notice which players on the other team are playing well and adapt the defensive scheme to that player.

I agree I picked a bad time to start this thread (my anger at yet another wasted win oppertunity got the better of me). But the points I make are still valid and would have held true even if we had won that game.

I truly beleive that Kurt Rambis is the worst head coach this franchise has ever had... and I was here for the Jimmy Rogers days (urrghhh... on reflection, Rambis is the second worst head coach we have ever had).

Post #19 » by **The J Rocka** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 4:44 am

abrewbro68 wrote:
J_Era_3 wrote:If you brought in Doc Rivers, Phil Jackson, or Greg Pop, we still lose this. Why? Because we still can't defend, players still miss shots & free throws, still get turnovers, and our guards still can't dribble. Does the coach control everything that the players do? No. WE lost this, not one individual.

Couldn't disagree more. this team can't defend because of the coaching/scheme. doc Rivers or pop would have this team playing much better defense. They might never practice offense again for the season and just do defense all day, but if that's what it takes, oh well.

It's not like Rambis twiddles his thumbs & doesn't work on it it practice. I'm sure they work on it every practice. He knows. Would be great to have one of those coaches definitely, but doesn't change the players over night & sure as hell doesn't get us a win tonight (which I was referring to) . We have an entire almost new roster, players are still learning the system, the basics. They are still young & aren't going to pick up everything right away, and we still don't have a PG leader. Not like defense or coaching was entirely this teams fault for losing tonight. Dumb fouls, missed opportunities, can't make FTs, and turnovers were at fault. Not sure why Rambis is at blame for this one.

moss_is_1 · Post #20 » by **moss_is_1** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 4:44 am

Kurt Rambis is worse then Wittman now?

Are you happy With Kurt Rambis as head coach