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Would we have any interest in Rip if all they want is cap space? Rip for Kosta works...

1.) Vet SG with legit experience and range. We have seen that there is a lack of experienced SG available.

2.) 2 years on his contract would be a nice expiring in a few years.

3.) He is 33, but his style of play should be fine long term. He would space the floor, and look good with Rubio.

4.) We need to use our cap space for something. I would rather do an Iggy deal, but nobody knows if that is an option.

Not sure if he would cost anything other than cap. He is really having issues with the coach in detroit. Would we have any interest?


(*I was pissed when we drafted Wally instead of him).

Unless we're figuring out a way to get a 1st from Detroit, I don't want him. We really don't need a 33-year-old whose game is declining and is making huge money. If they want to pawn him off, perhaps we can arrange to send them one of our later firsts in exchange for their 1st unprotected. Otherwise, I don't see much upside to adding him.

Yea, that would make sense.

I really want Iggy, but I think we need to do something with this cap space before it goes away.

revprodeji wrote:Yea, that would make sense.

I really want Iggy, but I think we need to do something with this cap space before it goes away.

We shouldn't use cap space just to use cap space, but I agree we should find some way to get Iggy. Use the rest of the season for him to gel in, add in a top 8 draft pick, and put in Ricky, and we've got outselves a pretty nice roster going into next season.

Torcher wrote:

revprodeji wrote:Yea, that would make sense.

I really want Iggy, but I think we need to do something with this cap space before it goes away.

We shouldn't use cap space just to use cap space, but I agree we should find some way to get Iggy. Use the rest of the season for him to gel in, add in a top 8 draft pick, and put in Ricky, and we've got outselves a pretty nice roster going into next season.

As they say, "if you don't use it, you lose it."

BTW I want Iggy too

Yes We Kahn wrote:

Torcher wrote:

revprodeji wrote:Yea, that would make sense.

I really want Iggy, but I think we need to do something with this cap space before it goes away.

We shouldn't use cap space just to use cap space, but I agree we should find some way to get Iggy. Use the rest of the season for him to gel in, add in a top 8 draft pick, and put in Ricky, and we've got outselves a pretty nice roster going into next season.

As they say, "if you don't use it, you lose it."

If we don't use it, we traded Al to a division rival for Kosta Koufos. If we get Randolph we could use that excuse but it's still not looking good even though we really didn't have a choice but to move him for the "best available".

I really don't understand the passion for Iguadola on this board. If a Love/Beasley/Rubio core is good enough to turn you into a playoff team, then why bother acquiring him at the cost of cheaper, younger players and the team's flexibility. I think Wes Johnson is the guy who would benefit the most from having Rubio around, because he'll be able to get him the shots he's not capable of getting for himself. On the other hand, if Love/Beasley/Rubio can't do it, then Iguadola won't be enough to turn the tide and you're screwed anyways. They're nuts if they trade anyone from the group of Darko/Love/Beasley/Wes/Rubio/Pek/Flynn (because his value is so low right now), so unless Iguadola is coming over for cap space basically, I wouldn't want him.

As we look back, we can't just say we traded Al for only Kosta Kufus. We also traded him for increased productivity from Love. If we hadn't traded Al, does anyone really think K Love would be putting up the numbers he is? For that matter would Beasley be as productive as he has shown he can be. I can't see our line up plus Al equating to more wins...

Gobble wrote:I really don't understand the passion for Iguadola on this board. If a Love/Beasley/Rubio core is good enough to turn you into a playoff team, then why bother acquiring him at the cost of cheaper, younger players and the team's flexibility. I think Wes Johnson is the guy who would benefit the most from having Rubio around, because he'll be able to get him the shots he's not capable of getting for himself. On the other hand, if Love/Beasley/Rubio can't do it, then Iguadola won't be enough to turn the tide and you're screwed anyways. They're nuts if they trade anyone from the group of Darko/Love/Beasley/Wes/Rubio/Pek/Flynn (because his value is so low right now), so unless Iguadola is coming over for cap space basically, I wouldn't want him.

Because Corey Brewer is currently our starting 2-guard.

Gobble, because I am not sure the Love/Beasley/Rubio can do it alone. Iggy gives us someone that is an elite defender, but also gets to the FT line, creates for himself and others off the dribble. Brings a vet presence and international experience from FIBA.

Wolves Rube wrote:As we look back, we can't just say we traded Al for only Kosta Kufus. We also traded him for increased productivity from Love. If we hadn't traded Al, does anyone really think K Love would be putting up the numbers he is? For that matter would Beasley be as productive as he has shown he can be. I can't see our line up plus Al equating to more wins...

I agree with everything but at the end of the day, we still need to use the TPE. Can't just let it go down the drain. We can't use it to sign FAs. Where I'm going with this is that we better trade for Iggy, Granger, Ellis, etc. and use it to benefit our team.

Agree.

(btw, it is not a TPE, it is raw cap space, but we lose that cap space the next fiscal year I guess. So we need to use it before the trade deadline. Otherwise only Taylor benefits from the money. I think we are a vet in the guard/wing and a defensive big away from a big push.)

I am really hoping we can get Iggy because he might be the biggest star available to us.

The problem is, if we get him, I don't know if our ceiling will ever be higher than where ATL is right now. A collection of strong players, but not a championship caliber team.

And no to Rip. I don't think he makes us any better. By the time this team is in the playoff hunt (I'm optimistic) his biggest value to us would be as an expiring contract. That could be nice, but having his salary on the books might hurt the development of other talent.

Ah I see thanks for clarifying Rev. Yeah definitely agree that we need that vet wing + defensive big to get our foot in the door for a playoff spot (including Rubio). We can easily do it. That's how close we are.

If we cannot get Iggy or other names that have been brought up, maybe acquiring Rip + asset wouldn't be a bad option. If you think about it, he brings in leadership, NBA Champion, experience, knows how to win ball games (no 4th quarter meltdowns), would make the team better, including Rubio who would benefit the most, and if we were to make the playoffs, we would have a new identity & other players (players who want to leave their teams via trade or FA) will recognize and want to play of us.

Of course I'm thinking about the best scenario, but I'm definitely not wearing the homer goggles. It could workout like that.

I would hold off on adding any vet presence until we get Rubio in the fold, it remains to be seen how he'll impact this team, and there's no point in 2 more years of Rip's salary if guys like Web and Wes will flourish with his supposed playmaking abilities.

Secondly, I find it hard to believe that he would want to spend the twilight of his career with a perpetually rebuilding team, I'd just trust that the Pistons have more sense than to throw him away like that.

Lastly, Gobble, Iggy provides a skill set that would fit in perfectly with this team, that's why most of us want him. No one thinks he is worth a 14 mil/year deal, which is the only hang up. But, like Rev said, the raw cap space we got from the Al deal will basically disappear after the trade deadline since we'll have a few cap holds for draft picks and raises given to our current players this offseason. So, use it or lose it, basically...

While I haven't watched Rip in a couple seasons I think the idea of extending the potential salary relief is a HUGE plus.

What I mean by that is instead of letting the cap just drift away we'd be sitting on a large EXP for next season which could allow us to trade for a younger player than Rip.

I think his experience could help us. If the move was made I'd consider it a good one if we only give up the likes of Koufus or someone.

Extending salary relief is a key term to use.

We have no "big cap space" once the new fiscal year hits. Logically we extend Love and or/Beasley. Adding the other players and extensions our best way to have flexible cap situation is a large ending contract. So in 2 years we have an established Love/Beasley/Rubio core with role players that fit and we can move Rip's contract for another piece.

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