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MIN - MEM at the buzzer

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:20 am
by mayorhoiberg
With Koufos gone as part of the AR deal, the roster stands at 14 players. A Curry + pick(s) deal that brings back 2 players is in play.

Memphis makes the most sense. A recent article stated they'd be hesitant to move Mayo while his value is low, so why don't we give them full value?

Eddy Curry + UTA 2011 1st + MEM 2011 1st

for

Hasheem Thabeet + OJ Mayo + Hamed Haddadi

Memphis is going to have to pay Randolph and Gasol this summer, and Mayo and Thabeet take up a significant amount of their cap. They have a potential replacement for Mayo in Xavier Henry and they are receiving 2 (albeit later) first round picks to compensate for their losses. It also can't hurt that they're receiving their OWN pick back here, too.

For the Wolves, we'd be giving up 2 first rounders that we don't really need. We'll hopefully be adding Rubio and 1 high draft pick-- no need for 2 more late first rounders. Mayo is reunited with fellow 2008 lottery picks Beasley, Love, and Randolph. Haddadi is included to make salaries match; he'd be waived.

2011-2012
Rubio/Ridnour/
Mayo/Barnes/Ellington
Beasley/Wesley/Webster
Love/Randolph/Tolliver
Milicic/Pekovic/Thabeet

Re: MIN - MEM at the buzzer

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:41 am
by moss_is_1
I would try and do a deal where we send out Ellington/both 1sts for Mayo.

Re: MIN - MEM at the buzzer

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:50 am
by lewdog
mayorhoiberg wrote:For the Wolves, we'd be giving up 2 first rounders that we don't really need.

Sorry to cherry pick, but actually we need first rounders that can produce. We just don't have a F#@^kin idea how to draft.

mayorhoiberg wrote:2011-2012
Rubio/Ridnour/
Mayo/Barnes/Ellington
Beasley/Wesley/Webster
Love/Randolph/Tolliver
Milicic/Pekovic/Thabeet


Just for tonight, could we not have Darko be our future starting center?

Re: MIN - MEM at the buzzer

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:01 am
by Krapinsky
Well I think Memphis easily declines this. This is the equivalent of the Wolves trading Flynn and Johnson for an expiring contract and two crappy firsts. Hard to sell that trade to your fan base. Thabeet and Mayo were the #2 and #3 pick from recent drafts.

Re: MIN - MEM at the buzzer

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:37 am
by mayorhoiberg
Krapinsky wrote:Well I think Memphis easily declines this. This is the equivalent of the Wolves trading Flynn and Johnson for an expiring contract and two crappy firsts. Hard to sell that trade to your fan base. Thabeet and Mayo were the #2 and #3 pick from recent drafts.


Memphis is in a bit of a different position than the Wolves, though. It's commonly known they're trying to unload Thabeet's consequential salary and you might go as far as to say he's got negative value. Mayo's caused some problems for the team and isn't really contributing to their playoff run. They have to pay 2 of the players that are contributing this offseason. I doubt that Memphis has to "sell" ditching Thabeet, and if 2 firsts + cap room to sign Randolph/Gasol isn't enough, we could part with more.

Re: MIN - MEM at the buzzer

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:54 am
by jade_hippo
Krapinsky wrote:Well I think Memphis easily declines this. This is the equivalent of the Wolves trading Flynn and Johnson for an expiring contract and two crappy firsts. Hard to sell that trade to your fan base. Thabeet and Mayo were the #2 and #3 pick from recent drafts.


I don't think you can attatch value to Thabeet based on where he was drafted any longer. Its obvious that his talent/current standing do not match that. His value or lack of, is his stupidly high cap number compared to his production.

Even Mayo may be beyond the value of where he was picked. He's clearly wearing out his welcome there, and they have Henry to replace him. So how much they value two players who haven't lived up to their potential but could be productive down the road. Is it worth more to keep them and hope Rainbow Randolph and Gasol accept lowball offers to keep everyone or dump them for picks and space to keep their frontcourt for sure?

Re: MIN - MEM at the buzzer

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:31 am
by Calinks
For some picks, I'd do that trade, most def.

Re: MIN - MEM at the buzzer

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:14 am
by jade_hippo
I agree Memphis probably doesn't want any part of losing talent when they are in the playoff race, so maybe after they gracefully bow out of contention or get stepped on in the playoffs, this could work.

In the meantime, would I be alone to say that Rashad might be worth a look for us for the last chunk of the season? He can hit shots, he has the ABILITY to stand in front of someone on the defensive end, supposedlly he has a much better attitude and wants his foot int he door again and we know he looks good in a Wolves jersey.

Re: MIN - MEM at the buzzer

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:13 am
by Calinks
Is he even still in the D-league?

Re: MIN - MEM at the buzzer

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:32 am
by jade_hippo
Calinks wrote:Is he even still in the D-league?


not sure he even played any games there, he's in China right now or last I heard.

Re: MIN - MEM at the buzzer

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:46 pm
by C.lupus
jade_hippo wrote:In the meantime, would I be alone to say that Rashad might be worth a look for us for the last chunk of the season? He can hit shots, he has the ABILITY to stand in front of someone on the defensive end, supposedlly he has a much better attitude and wants his foot int he door again and we know he looks good in a Wolves jersey.

Yeah, I think you might be alone. :wink:

Re: MIN - MEM at the buzzer

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:19 pm
by Esohny
C.lupus wrote:
jade_hippo wrote:In the meantime, would I be alone to say that Rashad might be worth a look for us for the last chunk of the season? He can hit shots, he has the ABILITY to stand in front of someone on the defensive end, supposedlly he has a much better attitude and wants his foot int he door again and we know he looks good in a Wolves jersey.

Yeah, I think you might be alone. :wink:


I know that after I read his Rashad idea, I saw him and immediately crossed the street.

Re: MIN - MEM at the buzzer

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:22 pm
by eyeteeth
I might try to stab someone's eyes out if we trade for expensive crap players like that.

Re: MIN - MEM at the buzzer

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:27 pm
by Krapinsky
Word is that Heisly is still a big fan of Mayo and he's not being moved for smaller parts. Makes sense that they would not trade him when his value is so low and he has not asked for a trade. Thabeet is a different story. I want nothing to do with him. Someone will probably take a gamble on him though. If James Johnson can still net a first, my guess is Thabeet may as well.

Re: MIN - MEM at the buzzer

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:33 pm
by karch34
I think Mayo is obtainable, but the big issue is even if he's not figuring prominently in their playoff run, they still can't move him and not get anything but picks in return, IMO. I'd think you'd have to look at Ellington or Webster who could at least be sold as bench production like Mayo in addition to the picks. Thabeet might be a different story, but I'm sure they need to save face that way as well.

Re: MIN - MEM at the buzzer

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:40 pm
by sisibilio
Mayo + Thabeet
Pekovic + Ellington + Hayward + both picks

I guess that works salarywise, it's about fair value for Mayo and wouldn't hurt that much the playoff aspirations of Memphis.


Krapinsky wrote:Well I think Memphis easily declines this. This is the equivalent of the Wolves trading Flynn and Johnson for an expiring contract and two crappy firsts. Hard to sell that trade to your fan base. Thabeet and Mayo were the #2 and #3 pick from recent drafts.

It'd be even worse than that. Unlike Johnson and Flynn, Mayo has proven to be able to produce at a high rate in the NBA in the right situation.

Re: MIN - MEM at the buzzer

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:11 pm
by Devilzsidewalk
I'd go as high as Flynn/Pekovic and one of the later firsts for the duo

Re: MIN - MEM at the buzzer

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:04 pm
by UK-Wolf
Can't see this happening if I'm honest, though I wouldn't argue. Highly doubt they'd accept that deal either Devilz but I'd probably do that, god I'd miss Pek though.

Re: MIN - MEM at the buzzer

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:30 pm
by Esohny
Devilzsidewalk wrote:I'd go as high as Flynn/Pekovic and one of the later firsts for the duo


I'd definitely do that. They probably wouldn't.

Re: MIN - MEM at the buzzer

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:39 pm
by LordBaldric
Curry bought out. We didn't try to do **** with his expiring. :(

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