Hypothetical MIN-POR-TOR 3-way Trade

[henrydunn13]

Hi guys - looking for your opinions on this trade idea. Who get's the best deal? The worst? Would you do it?

To Minnesota: Jose Calderon ($9.8 + $10.6) + Rudy Fernandez ($2.2)
-Kahn gets some veteran guards in exchange for some younger, less productive players with large contracts
-Satisfies what Kahn said of wanting less youth and more veterans
-Eases Rubio's transition to the NBA with Spanish guards Calderon and Fernandez

To Portland: Jonny Flynn ($3.4 + option:$4.3) + Nikola Pekovic ($4.5 + $4.8) +TPE ($7.2)
-Portland returns to youth movement and gets some youth at the PG spot (behind aging Andre Miller)
-Gets out of Camby's last year to throw some money at Greg Oden (can't lose him)
-Gets some security for Oden with young Nik Pekovic
-Gets out of logjam at SG and ends the Rudy drama
-Saves $7.2 million this year (will be near tax otherwise)

To Toronto: Marcus Camby ($12.9) + Luke Ridnour ($3.7 + $4.0 + $4.3)
-Gets defensive minded C in Camby, on expiring deal, not requiring starter's minutes
-Saves money next year on Calderon
-Gets some security at PG in case Bayless/Knight can't manage

[theGreatRC]

I'd do that. I like this deal alot for Minny.

Ricky gets comfortable with some familiar faces and we get an upgrade at the SG spot (until we can find a better one)

[GopherIt!]

Hy-(on)-pot-he-ticals

[Foye]

Jose Calderon?

I thought we have denied the idea of trading for a 20 mil. $, 29 year old backup PG a billion times now.

[henrydunn13]

Jose Calderon?

I thought we have denied the idea of trading for a 20 mil. $, 29 year old backup PG a billion times now.

Well Calderon is certainly better than the $12M and $8M backup PGs you have now (Ridnour and Flynn) - and Rudy Fernandez (perhaps of more importance to Minny) has a very cheap deal that is expiring, to compensate.

Based on what Kahn has been saying - he feels you guys are too young - spread to thin with youth. He wants a greater proportion of veterans on your team and also has the prospect of Rubio coming over to the NBA this season. There's going to be some transition for him - as he's still has a lot of room to grow. What better situation than beside his countrymen Calderon and Fernandez? Calderon can start and average double-digit assists for you, run an efficient offense, and mentor Rubio until he is ready to take over fully (Calderon only on books for two years). Also, maybe this creates a boost of chemistry for the team as a whole as they are all familiar with eachother. Perhaps this gives the Wolves an identity.

I know I'm selling this but I really think its an intriguing idea for all parties - I know Calderon isn't your PG of the future but you need a SG, you could use a PG upgrade, and you want to let your PG of the future (Rubio) develop seamlessly and enjoy his time in Minnesota so he sticks around for a career.

Thanks for feedback! Keep it coming! Open to suggestions!

[GopherIt!]

I would only consider this if we could somehow get Bargs too.

[shangrila]

Jose Calderon?

I thought we have denied the idea of trading for a 20 mil. $, 29 year old backup PG a billion times now.

Well Calderon is certainly better than the $12M and $8M backup PGs you have now (Ridnour and Flynn) - and Rudy Fernandez (perhaps of more importance to Minny) has a very cheap deal that is expiring, to compensate.

No he's not. Ridnour has a higher TS% and eFG% and is the better defender, which is sad when you think about it. As for Fernandez, he already turned down the offer to come here last year and after his current season, where he was a shooter who couldn't shoot, I doubt he's someone that this team, or any, would be targetting.

So...you're right with our needs, just got the wrong players. Honestly, I'd rather have Camby. Couldn't we just cut Toronto out and deal directly with Portland?

[Foye]

Jose Calderon?

I thought we have denied the idea of trading for a 20 mil. $, 29 year old backup PG a billion times now.

Well Calderon is certainly better than the $12M and $8M backup PGs you have now (Ridnour and Flynn) - and Rudy Fernandez (perhaps of more importance to Minny) has a very cheap deal that is expiring, to compensate.

Based on what Kahn has been saying - he feels you guys are too young - spread to thin with youth. He wants a greater proportion of veterans on your team and also has the prospect of Rubio coming over to the NBA this season. There's going to be some transition for him - as he's still has a lot of room to grow. What better situation than beside his countrymen Calderon and Fernandez? Calderon can start and average double-digit assists for you, run an efficient offense, and mentor Rubio until he is ready to take over fully (Calderon only on books for two years). Also, maybe this creates a boost of chemistry for the team as a whole as they are all familiar with eachother. Perhaps this gives the Wolves an identity.

I know I'm selling this but I really think its an intriguing idea for all parties - I know Calderon isn't your PG of the future but you need a SG, you could use a PG upgrade, and you want to let your PG of the future (Rubio) develop seamlessly and enjoy his time in Minnesota so he sticks around for a career.

Thanks for feedback! Keep it coming! Open to suggestions!

WTF?

Luke Ridnour is like the perfect backup PG. Cheap, can run the team, shoots at a high percentage.
I love him - not as starter but in a backup position he would be perfect.
And Luke is a vet as well. If one vet goes out (Rid) and one comes in (Calderon) that's still not enough vets on the team.

[Klomp]

Why not trade for the rest of the Spanish national team while we're at it?

[shrink]

Calderon to MIN is ridiculous. I don't know what goes on over on the TOR board that makes those posters keep thinking this is a good idea.

Look, Kahn is completely invested in his "savior" Rubio. Whether he does great or fails, he's going to get tons of minutes for the next two years. With Caldron's 10% trade kicker, he will cost $10.8 mil next year, and $11.6 mil in 2012-13. I don't think that salary can be justified on any team, but at the bottom of the list has to be the non-contending Wolves, where he'd be riding the bench. And on top of that, MIN needs the money in 2012 to give new contracts to Love, Beasley and Randolph. Do you think they'd rather be spending $4 on Ridnour, or $11.6 on Calderon?

I'm sorry to be so blunt, but we've seen the Calderon-to-MIN deals on the trade boards dozens of times. We say the same thing, and then some new guy just keeps repeating them. They are ridiculous and need to stop.

[shrink]

Why not trade for the rest of the Spanish national team while we're at it?

And that's the depth of these guys' thinking. Who cares about money? Who cares about fit? Who cares if he won't get playing time. He's Spanish!

[Wolves21]

Hi guys - looking for your opinions on this trade idea. Who get's the best deal? The worst? Would you do it?

To Minnesota: Jose Calderon ($9.8 + $10.6) + Rudy Fernandez ($2.2)
-Kahn gets some veteran guards in exchange for some younger, less productive players with large contracts
-Satisfies what Kahn said of wanting less youth and more veterans
-Eases Rubio's transition to the NBA with Spanish guards Calderon and Fernandez

To Portland: Jonny Flynn ($3.4 + option:$4.3) + Nikola Pekovic ($4.5 + $4.8) +TPE ($7.2)
-Portland returns to youth movement and gets some youth at the PG spot (behind aging Andre Miller)
-Gets out of Camby's last year to throw some money at Greg Oden (can't lose him)
-Gets some security for Oden with young Nik Pekovic
-Gets out of logjam at SG and ends the Rudy drama
-Saves $7.2 million this year (will be near tax otherwise)

To Toronto: Marcus Camby ($12.9) + Luke Ridnour ($3.7 + $4.0 + $4.3)
-Gets defensive minded C in Camby, on expiring deal, not requiring starter's minutes
-Saves money next year on Calderon
-Gets some security at PG in case Bayless/Knight can't manage

So for the Wolves its pretty much Ridnour,Flynn and Pek for Calderon and Rudy.I would pull the trigger on that deal.Calderon isn't a great PG but a middle of the road type vet that has lead his team before into the playoffs.Plus he would be brought in to really to model and shape Rubio into a true starting PG.So at most he would be a starter for a year or so and then our back up if Rubio pans out.Adding Rudy would be a good move as well sense reports of him and Rubio are their semi close and he would add a punch off the bench as a six man or need be starting SG,which the Wolves badly need.

[shangrila]

Everything you just said Calderon would provide Ridnour already does. The only difference is he costs less.

[The J Rocka]

Why can't we get Camby? We have enough point guards, not to mention we don't need one that is more overpaid and worse than our existing backup.

[C.lupus]

I could stomach Rudy Goggles if he came cheap but I can't stomach Rudy and Calderon. I'd much rather go all out for one of the Gasol brothers (preferably Marc) to bring in a familiar face.

[henrydunn13]

Everything you just said Calderon would provide Ridnour already does. The only difference is he costs less.

Come on guys - Calderon averaged 9 assists last year, Ridnour averaged 5 assists (same minutes). There shouldn't be any debate about who is the better PG. The salary is the issue here, not the player.

[henrydunn13]

WTF?

Luke Ridnour is like the perfect backup PG. Cheap, can run the team, shoots at a high percentage.
I love him - not as starter but in a backup position he would be perfect.
And Luke is a vet as well. If one vet goes out (Rid) and one comes in (Calderon) that's still not enough vets on the team.

Well technically you get two 'vets' in Fernandez and Calderon. Ridnour is a good backup PG for sure, but Calderon would be better! There really is no debate about that... The undesirable part about Calderon is his contract.

He had 9 assists last year. Go look at a list of players with 9 assists last year. He can run a team better than Ridnour, there is no debate.

[The J Rocka]

Everything you just said Calderon would provide Ridnour already does. The only difference is he costs less.

Come on guys - Calderon averaged 9 assists last year, Ridnour averaged 5 assists (same minutes). There shouldn't be any debate about who is the better PG. The salary is the issue here, not the player.

Well then it's settled, Jose had 4 more assists. Let's just bring him on in, forget Ridnour & his 5 assists.

[C.lupus]

Ridnour = $800,000 per assist
Calderon = $1,000,000 per assist.

[henrydunn13]

^ haha love the salary stat - I think it shows that Calderon's salary isn't as unreasonable as we all make it out to be. If he was paid 4-6M a year, you'd jump on this opportunity, no? He's a good player - just gets paid too much for the next 2 years - but so do Flynn and Pekovic - and you dump them in this trade. Also, Rudy is very reasonably paid (underpaid) and does that not compensate for some of Calderon's over-payment?

Thanks for all the replies guys - keep them coming, good or bad! I really feel this is a win-win-win for all three teams, but if you disagree lets come up with something else!