Nick Young Rumor?

south_fl_twolf · Post #1 » by **south_fl_twolf** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:23 pm

http://www.canishoopus.com/2011/5/22/21 ... washington

Not sure how i feel about this :-?

Im not in love with anyone in this draft so meh..
Also, im not sure how credible this is either :-?

Krapinsky · Post #2 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:34 pm

I think it's impossible to do a sign and trade for an UFA at draft time, so this rumor is quite implausible.

cpfsf · Post #3 » by **cpfsf** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:49 pm

I read it earlier and ignored it.

south_fl_twolf · Post #4 » by **south_fl_twolf** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:05 pm

Krapinsky wrote:I think it's impossible to do a sign and trade for an UFA at draft time, so this rumor is quite implausible.

Ahh i see, I do like nick Young though.

Post #5 » by **revprodeji** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:13 pm

Krapinsky wrote:I think it's impossible to do a sign and trade for an UFA at draft time, so this rumor is quite implausible.

Thank you.

Guidus88 · Post #6 » by **Guidus88** » Mon May 23, 2011 7:05 pm

if biyombo falls to 6th then it would be ok for me!

Torcher · Post #7 » by **Torcher** » Mon May 23, 2011 7:15 pm

I would decline this trade immediately. We need solid veterans, not even more young, scoring shooting guards who can't defend.

Krapinsky · Post #8 » by **Krapinsky** » Mon May 23, 2011 7:24 pm

Torcher wrote:I would decline this trade immediately. We need solid veterans, not even more young, scoring shooting guards who can't defend.

Nick Young is a pretty good defender. Not sure where you came up with that. He'd be the best defender on our team, probably.

EDIT: I might also add though that he has always been known for his BBIQ being low and we don't need any more of those guys. Defense aside I would hope that we would pass on Nick Young.

Post #9 » by **The J Rocka** » Mon May 23, 2011 7:31 pm

I'd rather keep the 2nd pick and sign Young (if we really were interested in him).

Morgenrot · Post #10 » by **Morgenrot** » Mon May 23, 2011 8:41 pm

he'd be a better fit than Williams or Kanter, so why not?

Foye · Post #11 » by **Foye** » Mon May 23, 2011 8:44 pm

Nick Young has never met a shot he doesn't like.

Foye · Post #12 » by **Foye** » Mon May 23, 2011 8:45 pm

Morgenrot wrote:he'd be a better fit than Irving, Williams or Kanter, so why not?

Because he's a ball hog and we already have enough guys who shoot the basketball too much. :dontknow:

Kumar · Post #13 » by **Kumar** » Mon May 23, 2011 8:58 pm

There has got to be better options out there - check your messages, Kahn!

the_bruce · Post #14 » by **the_bruce** » Mon May 23, 2011 9:13 pm

Posted this on Trades and transation board...

Didn't dig to much on this, but from Coon FAQ

"Except for extensions of rookie scale contracts (which must be signed by October 31), extensions may be signed up to June 30, the day before the player would have become a free agent."

I assume WAS is going to extend Young regardless of if a trade happens and it probably behoves him to sign before the new CBA. I'm not sure what he's worth on the open market. I'm guessing he'd get an offer in the 5-8 range, three year deal? Let's just say 6m/yr average. A JR Smith type contract.

The tricky part is I think he'd be PPP. Luckily WAS will be under the cap, but MN would need to send out ~6m in salary as I don't think they'll have as much flexibility. I don't get the feeling they want to move Ridnour, and I think they like webster as the backup 3.

Maybe some sort of mishmash of Tolliver, Ellington, Hayward, pick? I assume MN targets Biyombo @ 6.

Biyombo\Darko
Love\Randolph
Beasley\Webster
Wes\Young
Rubio\ridnour

Kumar · Post #15 » by **Kumar** » Mon May 23, 2011 10:32 pm

I wouldn't be opposed to a trade centered around swapping Beasley for Nick Young + #6.

Definitely wouldn't give up the chance to draft DWilliams for a shot at Nick Young though, even if it means Biyombo becomes a Wolf.

7-Day Dray · Post #16 » by **7-Day Dray** » Mon May 23, 2011 11:54 pm

Krapinsky wrote:
Torcher wrote:I would decline this trade immediately. We need solid veterans, not even more young, scoring shooting guards who can't defend.

Nick Young is a pretty good defender. Not sure where you came up with that. He'd be the best defender on our team, probably.

EDIT: I might also add though that he has always been known for his BBIQ being low and we don't need any more of those guys. Defense aside I would hope that we would pass on Nick Young.

As a Wizards fan, I've seen him play a lot, and he is a good defender. He's definitely improved on that end this year. And he's not the same dumbass chucker that looked clueless and used to smile all the time. He has definitely matured as player. And this year, Flip Saunders turned him into more of a catch-and-shoot player. He's become more efficient and he's a great shooter. He also has a crazy one-on-one game (He does some crazy moves like Kobe and Melo). But for someone with his quickness and athleticism, he settles for the jumper too much. But he's not very well-rounded and is a limited playmaker.

I don't know your team's needs, but if you guys want a talented scorer who defends, but is one-dimensional on offense, he's your guy.

I like Nick and want to keep him, but if we have to let him go in order to get Kanter, I'm all for it, especially with the emergence of Jordan Crawford.

And I don't think Kanter is a good fit for you guys anyway. Him and Love in the frontcourt wouldn't work. I think you guys would be much better off with a guy like Biyombo, who is likely going to be avaliable at #6.

Post #17 » by **revprodeji** » Tue May 24, 2011 6:06 pm

the_bruce wrote:Posted this on Trades and transation board...

Didn't dig to much on this, but from Coon FAQ
"Except for extensions of rookie scale contracts (which must be signed by October 31), extensions may be signed up to June 30, the day before the player would have become a free agent."

I had two discussions on this over the last couple days when the Marc Gasol rumor came out. Both people told me that a RFA cannot be traded.

I have never heard of this delayed signing. I think the issue with that is a Joe-Smith type situation. Before June 30th we cannot make a trade. Official or verbal (hi Joe). Yet, we are assuming that the player is signing a S/T contract. Can the player "sign with his team" and then randomly be traded for the pick, or would the tampering be too obvious?

SO_MONEY · Post #18 » by **SO_MONEY** » Tue May 24, 2011 6:40 pm

revprodeji wrote:
the_bruce wrote:Posted this on Trades and transation board...

Didn't dig to much on this, but from Coon FAQ
"Except for extensions of rookie scale contracts (which must be signed by October 31), extensions may be signed up to June 30, the day before the player would have become a free agent."

I had two discussions on this over the last couple days when the Marc Gasol rumor came out. Both people told me that a RFA cannot be traded.

I have never heard of this delayed signing. I think the issue with that is a Joe-Smith type situation. Before June 30th we cannot make a trade. Official or verbal (hi Joe). Yet, we are assuming that the player is signing a S/T contract. Can the player "sign with his team" and then randomly be traded for the pick, or would the tampering be too obvious?

I assume they can as long as the team receiving the player can prove they were not involved in the contract talks, at least that's how I would interpret it.

the_bruce · Post #19 » by **the_bruce** » Tue May 24, 2011 7:04 pm

revprodeji wrote:I had two discussions on this over the last couple days when the Marc Gasol rumor came out. Both people told me that a RFA cannot be traded.

I have never heard of this delayed signing. I think the issue with that is a Joe-Smith type situation. Before June 30th we cannot make a trade. Official or verbal (hi Joe). Yet, we are assuming that the player is signing a S/T contract. Can the player "sign with his team" and then randomly be traded for the pick, or would the tampering be too obvious?

Correct. But they can trade him after he's signed which they can do prior to June 30th when he's coming off rookie scale(or he can play out his QO to become an RFA the next season).

I think they need to even submit that QO before June 30th, which he can accept or wait for new offers. (http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q37 paragraph 3). Plus I think the new CBA expires July 1st? So he can accept WAS offer under the old CBA or wait for the new CBA and see what happens. At least that's how I read it.

He would then count as BYC or PPP if signed, but that shouldn't be an issue as WAS is under the cap.

Based on what I gleened over in the coon FAQ he should be signable, he'll just be harder to trade because of BYC. Since WAS is under the cap that shouldn't be a problem.

Doesn't seem like tampering. It's actually to Youngs benefit to sign sooner rather than later with the new CBA coming around. Shrug.

tontoz · Post #20 » by **tontoz** » Wed May 25, 2011 3:02 am

the_bruce wrote:Posted this on Trades and transation board...

Didn't dig to much on this, but from Coon FAQ

"Except for extensions of rookie scale contracts (which must be signed by October 31), extensions may be signed up to June 30, the day before the player would have become a free agent."

I assume WAS is going to extend Young regardless of if a trade happens and it probably behoves him to sign before the new CBA. I'm not sure what he's worth on the open market. I'm guessing he'd get an offer in the 5-8 range, three year deal? Let's just say 6m/yr average. A JR Smith type contract.

Young is on his rookie deal therefore he can't be signed to an extension of that deal. The deadline as you quoted was Oct 31. If he signs back with Washington it will be a new deal, not an extension of his current one, and new deals can't be signed until the new CBA is in place.

In response to an earlier post if Young was an UFA then he actually could be signed now and traded. since he is a RFA, he can't.

Now that Young is out of the picture what would it take from the Wizards to move up to 2?