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Mike Beasley has the best chance to be our end of the game closer and actually showed some of that this year. I dont believe Derrick Williams has that aspect in his game and I dont think you will ever be able to give him the ball at the elbow at the end of the game and have him get you a bucket. This team is a couple pieces away from a playoff team and I think its quite wild to have fans thinking that our 22 year old dynamic scorer should be replaced by a 19 year old that hasnt shown much of a perimeter game to this date. I think defense is neutral at this point and also feel defense in this league is 75% coaching.

The couple pieces we NEED to make this offseason is as follows:

-Get Rubio here
-Pony up for Iggy to be our perimeter defender and to be the veteran that we need
-Find a defensive center to help love

Wasn't Williams the most efficient player in college basketball last year? And I think he averaged around 60% on 3pt shooting so it would seem he would potential in that regard.

[RCG] wrote:Wasn't Williams the most efficient player in college basketball last year? And I think he averaged around 60% on 3pt shooting so it would seem he would potential in that regard.

you would be correct. 57% on 3s actually, but close enough

wildvikeswolves wrote:

[RCG] wrote:Wasn't Williams the most efficient player in college basketball last year? And I think he averaged around 60% on 3pt shooting so it would seem he would potential in that regard.

you would be correct. 57% on 3s actually, but close enough

That sample size is too small for me to prove anything.

while watching Derrick Williams very rarely do you see him take his defender off the dribble and pull up for a mid range jumper it is either all around the bucket or the occasional three pointer. I actually think a good comparison for hs game would be another former 2nd pick Marvin Williams.

Our last year's roster + Rubio is a 25 win team. Same roster with a different system is a 30+ win team.

+Rubio, - Pek, - Ellington, - Lazar, +Brooks, +Biyombo, +New System = 35 win team (the first year).

Rubio
Brooks
Beas
Love
Randolph

That starting 5 is very scary for other teams. Swap out Randolph for Darko/Biyombo to add defense, and spell Love with Randolph at the 4.

Throw in combinations of the above with Biyombo, Darko, Wes, Webster, Tolliver, and we have a pretty freakin fun team to watch.

urinesane wrote:Our last year's roster + Rubio is a 25 win team. Same roster with a different system is a 30+ win team.

+Rubio, - Pek, - Ellington, - Lazar, +Brooks, +Biyombo, +New System = 35 win team (the first year).

Rubio
Brooks
Beas
Love
Randolph

That starting 5 is very scary for other teams. Swap out Randolph for Darko/Biyombo to add defense, and spell Love with Randolph at the 4.

Throw in combinations of the above with Biyombo, Darko, Wes, Webster, Tolliver, and we have a pretty freakin fun team to watch.

I would agree with most of this. I'm 100% ready to see this team move on from Rambis. I feel like he was worth at least 5 losses last season, not including being unable to develop anyone other than Kevin Love - who appears to often hate the guy.

I think there's potential there, but we need a better defensive presence in the middle, better play from the point and a coach to put these guys in a position to succeed. I would take Dwayne Casey back in a heartbeat.

[RCG] wrote:Wasn't Williams the most efficient player in college basketball last year? And I think he averaged around 60% on 3pt shooting so it would seem he would potential in that regard.

He didn't have to create his own offence though, so his efficiency looks so much better when compared against guys that did.

urinesane wrote:Our last year's roster + Rubio is a 25 win team. Same roster with a different system is a 30+ win team.

+Rubio, - Pek, - Ellington, - Lazar, +Brooks, +Biyombo, +New System = 35 win team (the first year).

Rubio
Brooks
Beas
Love
Randolph

That starting 5 is very scary for other teams. Swap out Randolph for Darko/Biyombo to add defense, and spell Love with Randolph at the 4.

Throw in combinations of the above with Biyombo, Darko, Wes, Webster, Tolliver, and we have a pretty freakin fun team to watch.

Yup.

shangrila wrote:

[RCG] wrote:Wasn't Williams the most efficient player in college basketball last year? And I think he averaged around 60% on 3pt shooting so it would seem he would potential in that regard.

He didn't have to create his own offence though, so his efficiency looks so much better when compared against guys that did.

Still, his efficiency is unbelievably impressive. In terms of PPS, he was better than player in the NBA this year and better than any top college prospect in recent memory. Just for perspective Blake Griffin as a sophmore at Oklahoma average 1.73 pps, Derrick Rose at Memphis was 1.37, Derrick Williams this year was at 1.95 pps. He gets to the FT line at an absolutely absurd rate.

With Rubio on his way, I am leaning heavily on taking Williams and rolling with it. As every true capitalist says, competition creates the best product, why not have some competition for minutes? Fire Rambis, trade Flynn and fillers

Run with;
Rubio, Ridnour
Wes, Webster/#20/trade
Beas/Williams
Love/Williams/AR
Darko/AR/Pek

Seeing lineups with Beas, Williams, AR, and Rubio would be very exciting to say the least.

Worm Guts wrote:

shangrila wrote:

[RCG] wrote:Wasn't Williams the most efficient player in college basketball last year? And I think he averaged around 60% on 3pt shooting so it would seem he would potential in that regard.

He didn't have to create his own offence though, so his efficiency looks so much better when compared against guys that did.

Still, his efficiency is unbelievably impressive. In terms of PPS, he was better than player in the NBA this year and better than any top college prospect in recent memory. Just for perspective Blake Griffin as a sophmore at Oklahoma average 1.73 pps, Derrick Rose at Memphis was 1.37, Derrick Williams this year was at 1.95 pps. He gets to the FT line at an absolutely absurd rate.

True, but that still doesn't mean it will translate.

shangrila wrote:

[RCG] wrote:Wasn't Williams the most efficient player in college basketball last year? And I think he averaged around 60% on 3pt shooting so it would seem he would potential in that regard.

He didn't have to create his own offence though, so his efficiency looks so much better when compared against guys that did.

He won't have to create that much here though either with Rubio here now

Williams will be good as a stretch 4, but he cannot be a 3 or create. Beasley can.

A real coach will incorporate a heavy PnR offense. Beasley should be one of the most deadly PnR bigs. Speed, attack, jumper, lefty. Should be a beautiful thing.

revprodeji wrote:Williams will be good as a stretch 4, but he cannot be a 3 or create. Beasley can.

.

I don't agree with either statement as an absolute, Williams can play some 3 and he can create some (probably mostly as a 4 with his quickness advantage), but neither is his strength. Williams would be a great fit with Rubio since he's a great finisher and a good open jump shooter.

Worm Guts wrote:I don't agree with either statement as an absolute, Williams can play some 3 and he can create some (probably mostly as a 4 with his quickness advantage), but neither is his strength. Williams would be a great fit with Rubio since he's a great finisher and a good open jump shooter.

This is kinda the way I'm feeling. I hate to see us pass on him with Rubio on deck but the questions of fit remains. Williams is like an enigma wrapped in a conundrum.

thielena wrote:Beasley is our closer

I'm fine with this, anything to get rid of Capps.