What is Beaslys value??

[dukeknicksirish]

If the Timmberwolves keep their #2 pick, and draft Beasly....

What could Minny get in return? U made need to add another piece for salary if ur goin high value, even though he's not a KD or Kobe... so what could Minny get in return??

Is he worth the GSW pick?
If he is sent there, they could easily send him(or Wright) out with Ellis for a true defensive center... what do u think?

[cpfsf]

I have to nitpick first, you mean draft Williams. Next, I think we're going to be bit biased on his value. We can pretty much tell you what we won't trade for. Beasley by himself probably won't land us a quality starter, so we're going to have to add some more pieces if we want a guy like Ellis or Iguodala.

[dukeknicksirish]

Lol my bad...draft williams, but how bout adding Wesly to the mix...what about that?

[Mr Dew]

I have to nitpick first, you mean draft Williams. Next, I think we're going to be bit biased on his value. We can pretty much tell you what we won't trade for. Beasley by himself probably won't land us a quality starter, so we're going to have to add some more pieces if we want a guy like Ellis or Iguodala.

The one piece of this I disagree with is that he wouldn't be enough to snag Igoudala. With how bad they want to get rid of Iggy's contract, I wonder if we would even need to get rid of that much for him.

Overall though, I agree with the idea that Beasley is probably more valuable to the Wolves right now than he would be to other teams in trade, so it's more likely we deal the #2 pick since we could get more value back.

[EazeeDuzIt]

LOL never ruin the team to get an ultra watered down LeBron (Igoudala) Beasley is a far better scorer and I truly believe that Igoudala has reached his peak.

[ballislife]

Bargnani? lol

[shrink]

We were discussing this on the Trade Board, so I thought I'd bring this over:

I'll try to give you some insight, but it's very difficult, since I don't think even the management knows what to do.

MIN posters, feel free to expand on these:

WHY HE MIGHT BE TRADED: MIN is over-stocked with talent that can play PF, with Kevin Love, Anthony Randolph, Beasley, and perhaps Derrick Williams. There just isn't enough minutes available to develop all these players, and somebody needs to go. It will be tough financially to find the money in 2012 for new contracts for Love, Beasley and Randolph.

WHY HE MIGHT NOT BE TRADED: MIN's biggest need is a superstar, and they are unlikely to get one to come in free agency, and one that's traded may ask to be dealt elsewhere. Beasley's chance of stardom is slim, but he has the physical tools to reach that level, and that's hard for MIN to sacrifice. Right now, he's MIN's best chance at creating his own shot, and was already in the top 25 in scoring. He is a character, but he kept his nose clean in MIN (which surprised me) and is a bit of a team leader. He also said that this offseason was his most important ever, and if he can cash in on his physical tools to fight through screens and improve his defense, he could be their next SF.

This summer, MIN is going to have to decide which girls to dance with -- Beasley, Randolph, Williams maybe or even Love. The first two would not bring back the trade value to justify trading the potential. The other two have full trade value now, but does MIN really want to deal them?

Tough call.

I've been giving Beasley some thought yesterday. The problem is that MIN needs Beasley's upside, they just need it at another position. It's not that he isn't productive now, but he may be MIN's best (slim) chance of getting a true superstar.

So who else fits in the "slim chance to be a superstar?" category? With all this POR talk, I'm curious about a deal centered around Oden after the new CBA shakes out.

Now, I'm not a fan myself, and I've posted I think he should stay with Paul Allen's checkbook, but I've heard other MIN posters mention him. I personally put Beasley > Oden for three reasons:

1. Oden would need a new contract - 3 years - so it's locked up money, and who knows how much.

2. Beasley still has a year left on his rookie scale, so he's cheap now, and a team gets one more year to look.

3. Beasley is also less risk because he's productive without any improvement:

32.3 MPG, FG 45.0%, 3P 36.6%, 5.6 RPG, 2.2 APG, 19.2 PPG

#20 in scoring
#7 in FG/48 min
#49 in BPG
#21 in TOPG

I'm not optimistic a deal can be reached, since the valuations of both players vary greatly, probably with both the teams and the different Trade Board posters, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

[Krapinsky]

I don't think Oden still has any upside.

[Esohny]

I don't think Oden still has any upside.

He's got tons of upside, it's just that the likelyhood that he ever realizes his upside has continued to decline to the point that it's pretty unrealistic. I'd like to see what he could do if he got traded to the Suns and had their magic training staff working on him.

[phonzadellika]

If I were Portland, I would only play Roy and Oden during the playoffs.

If I'm any other team, I couldn't in good conscience trade for them or pick them up in free agency and give them anything more than MLE money until they prove they can perform consistently.

I think SCB still has a lot of value, but not enough to make it worthwhile to move him. We're better off holding on to him for one more year. He probably won't regress, if he stays the same player he is he is still worth a mid-to-late lottery pick because he can be a great 6th man and if he busts out and improves significantly then we have our star or can make a serious trade.

[shrink]

I don't think Oden still has any upside.

He's got tons of upside, it's just that the likelyhood that he ever realizes his upside has continued to decline to the point that it's pretty unrealistic.

That's kind of how I see it. Both players have the potential to be superstars in this league, but the chances are slim and slimmer. I could see someone saying "none."

The difference is that Beasley, when not even fulfilling his potential now, is still a very strong basketball player, so his downside is significantly smaller, both in production and in contract.

I've long advocated that Oden should stay in POR. Paul Allen can afford to write him checks, and if Oden ever gets healthy, POR fans have who have waited forever and would get the most enjoyment out of it. However, if MIN is reluctant to trade away Beasley because they value the chance at superstardom so high, at least Oden provides a chance at that, and at a less crowded position on our team. I don't know what POR would add - but even asking them to add something might start fights.

[eyeteeth]

Wow. You know, I've heard that the knees are an important part of a basketball player's body.

The difference between Beasley and Oden is that it is a less than 50% chance that Beasley will develop to a full-blown superstar, but it is a near 100% chance he will be a good basketball player. There is a near 0% that Oden will be a professional basketball player for more than 20 games a seasson, but a greater than 50% chance that he will be a superstar if he ever plays 80 game seasons with regularity.

You put your chips where you want, I know where I'm betting.

[urinesane]

:nonono:
Wow. You know, I've heard that the knees are an important part of a basketball player's body.

The difference between Beasley and Oden is that it is a less than 50% chance that Beasley will develop to a full-blown superstar, but it is a near 100% chance he will be a good basketball player. There is a near 0% that Oden will be a professional basketball player for more than 20 games a seasson, but a greater than 50% chance that he will be a superstar if he ever plays 80 game seasons with regularity.

You put your chips where you want, I know where I'm betting.

I agree in principle, but I don't really know how you can just throw out %s, nobody knows that.

[Breakdown777]

^^^
The easiest way to say what the last few posts have said is:

While Beasley has better odds of being and staying a solid NBA player, Greg Oden is on a wider spectrum of Boom/Bust potential.