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Re: Where does Anthony Randolph fit into your plans?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:00 pm
by prefuse73
If Noah can be a starting center, Randolph can make it work...they are similar in size (randolph maybe 10lbs lighter).
That said, I would do that proposed phx deal in a heart beat if we can get the #13. We could get Burks or Brooks.
Lopez / Milicic
Love / Beasley
Beasley / Williams
Brooks / Johnson
Rubio / Ridnour..
Where does Anthony Randolph fit into your plans?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:24 pm
by Neon1
Whats the deal with him? Ill ask the same think people have been asking in GS and NY, if he puts up these rediculous statlines anytime he gets legit minutes, then why does he continue to get relagated to the bench?
And now the talk of getting Derrick Williams, along with Love, Darko and Beasley, do you see anything changing for him on the PT front?
If Khan has him available, what is the asking price? Im a Magic fan BTW, tried to see what we could offer, but nothing seems like anything Minny would even consider wanting (not including Dwight of course) outside of MAYBE JJ Redick, which would take you guys adding in more salary that you dont want.
All else we have is an exeption that could swallow him, along with Daniel Orton.
Re: Where does Anthony Randolph fit into your plans?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:30 pm
by [RCG]
I think Randolph will see more minutes this next year. I can't see why the kid hasn't hired a personal trainer and a dietitian over the summer to add weight (muscle). He would be much more valuable as an athletic Center.
Re: Where does Anthony Randolph fit into your plans?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:34 pm
by Neon1
[RCG] wrote:I think Randolph will see more minutes this next year. I can't see why the kid hasn't hired a personal trainer and a dietitian over the summer to add weight (muscle). He would be much more valuable as an athletic Center.
I agree he should get more, but how? If Minny is really looking at Williams, I cant see a way he gets real mins unless you guys are thinking about shipping Beasley off somewhere. Love plays 37-38, Darko get 25-ish, Williams you would think would get at least 25-30.
I guess you COULD play him at backup center just to force him on the court, but i cant see him playing there, unless youd have Love move over (if they are on at the same time).
Re: Where does Anthony Randolph fit into your plans?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:01 pm
by Breakdown777
GS: Nelly ball. Crazy coach. etc.
NY: Not the right fit. D'Antoni is nuts as well, and likes shooters. etc.
MN: The system in MN is difficult, so he sat more at first. After Love's injury (and slightly before that) Randolph saw an increase in minutes toward the end of the season.
I think he fits in as a backup 4/5 depending on match ups. He still has a ton of potential, and if he puts on weight/muscle, he could be more of a 5 (it's unrealistic though).
ORL doesn't have much that would interest me for him, and I think I speak for most fans when I say that. MN is still high on him, and I believe would like to see him with a training camp before we decide is long term fit.
Re: Where does Anthony Randolph fit into your plans?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:15 pm
by Klomp
I wouldn't hate something around Orton and Randolph, but more wold definitely need to come our way.
Re: Where does Anthony Randolph fit into your plans?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:22 pm
by wildvikeswolves
i think Randolph definitly gets mins at the 5. would be pretty awesome if he could overtake Darko as the starter there. i think Randolph is someone that will be helped alot from a PG like Rubio
Re: Where does Anthony Randolph fit into your plans?
Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:42 pm
by iansportsdude7
I don't understand why people think Randolph would struggle at center.
From 82games.com:
PER at PF - 19.3
PER at C - 19.2
Opponent PER when at PF - 13.8
Opponent PER when at PF - 15.7
While his numbers are better at PF, it's not by much and one would think he could be a more effective center with added weight. He's already put on 30ish pounds since his days at LSU so it's not unreasonable to think he could add 15-20 more.
However, I don't think he should be a starting center in this league. I don't even think he should be a starting PF. What makes him valuable is his versatility and athleticism which would be most valuable off the bench. He'd be a great guy to play like the Lamar Odom role in LA where he sees 30-35 minutes off the bench and plays multiple positions.
He's still only 21 (turns 22 in July) so he's younger than most of the Seniors in this upcoming draft class and has another 2-3 years of solid development ahead of him.
Honestly, I hope Kahn can find a legitimate center to put next to Love. I have no idea who they would be able to get because I don't believe Kanter would be the appropriate fit. But a guy like Andrew Bynum, Andrew Bogut, etc. a true center where you could hide some of Love's defensive flaws would be perfect. Now again, not those players per-say but a player like that. Then Randolph could be inserted in as the third-big in their rotation which I think is his best fit.
I think ideally they'd trade Michael Beasley. I love Beasley, I do, but both he and Randolph share the 'tweener status and that's not a good thing when trying to build a starting roster. Finding a SF who can actually defend other, more athletic SF's would be ideal with the above scenario where Randolph basically becomes a rotational big. The problem with a front court where Randolph is the backup PF and backup C with Beasley on the roster is that Beasley then is forced to play exclusively at the 3 because there's not enough minutes for Beasley at the 4. That's why I would be open to a trade if it can net them somebody who is a true SF or a true C.
Re: Where does Anthony Randolph fit into your plans?
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:07 am
by moss_is_1
Randolph is more of a PF/C then then SF/PF.
I think that he's best suited to be our 6th man on the frontline. Playing minutes behind Love and whoever is at center. He can play with Beasley and Love because of his athleticism, passing skills, and he showed a knack to score(mid-range, post up a little, dribble-drive, pick and roll).
I love Randolph, always have. I think he's going to be a very nice player in the league and make an impact whenever he's in the game.
Re: Where does Anthony Randolph fit into your plans?
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:08 am
by Breakdown777
iansportsdude7 wrote:I don't understand why people think Randolph would struggle at center.
From 82games.com:
PER at PF - 19.3
PER at C - 19.2
Opponent PER when at PF - 13.8
Opponent PER when at PF - 15.7
While his numbers are better at PF, it's not by much and one would think he could be a more effective center with added weight. He's already put on 30ish pounds since his days at LSU so it's not unreasonable to think he could add 15-20 more.
30 pounds in 3 years, when I've heard many reports of him trying to put on muscle the entire time he's been in the league. 10 lbs is more likely, and I even think that could be stretch. Another reason people think Randolph can't play center is because he just gets pushed around out there. He's too lanky and weak compared to even the likes of Pau Gasol. I was at the game, and Pau for the most part treated Randolph like a rag doll.
What makes him valuable is his versatility and athleticism which would be most valuable off the bench. He'd be a great guy to play like the Lamar Odom role in LA where he sees 30-35 minutes off the bench and plays multiple positions.
The problem with a front court where Randolph is the backup PF and backup C with Beasley on the roster is that Beasley then is forced to play exclusively at the 3 because there's not enough minutes for Beasley at the 4. That's why I would be open to a trade if it can net them somebody who is a true SF or a true C.
I see what you are saying, but Lamar doesn't play Center. Because Randolph could, there could be potential minutes for Beas at the 4. I also think giving Beas another year at the SF might change the tune of many of the "numbers/advanced stats" guys out there.
Re: Where does Anthony Randolph fit into your plans?
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:24 am
by B Calrissian
Klomp wrote:I wouldn't hate something around Orton and Randolph, but more wold definitely need to come our way.
The "more" would have to be the centerpiece of the deal.
Re: Where does Anthony Randolph fit into your plans?
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:37 am
by [RCG]
B Calrissian wrote:Klomp wrote:I wouldn't hate something around Orton and Randolph, but more wold definitely need to come our way.
The "more" would have to be the centerpiece of the deal.
Orton had no place entering the draft last year. Averaging 3.5 pts... I watched Kentucky an awful lot and he needed to come back, sitting on the bench probably hasn't helped much either.
Re: Where does Anthony Randolph fit into your plans?
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:58 am
by NewWolvesOrder
Love and Randolph can easily co-exist as PF/C combo against many match-ups. I would call Love more of a center betweem them cause he's got strength and can wrestle opposing center better. I would say Love is better off this way than chasing athletic PFs. There for sure are some centers that you need a guy like Darko to defend them, but Love can guard at least half the league at C position. I would say there's more Centers than PFs that he can guard effectively.
Re: Where does Anthony Randolph fit into your plans?
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:17 am
by cpfsf
TASTIC wrote:^There's no way MIN take Lopez, Pietrus for #20 and Randolph...not enough...we'd have to throw in #13...
From the Suns board. My overall feeling is meh, but I thought you all would be interested.
Re: Where does Anthony Randolph fit into your plans?
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:06 am
by Neon1
I think you guys would be best served letting him get 28-30 mpg off the bench behind Love and Darko, ala Lamar Odom (with Love being the one sliding over, the way Gasol does for LA).
I dont however agree with the few saying they think he should put on an extra 30+ pounds to do so. I think if you have a guy like that put on all that extra weight, it would slow him down and basically negate most of the athleticism that he currently has. His game seems to be more suited to a lean quicker forward.
I think part of the reason Lamar has done well for himself for so long is the fact that he never did put on a TON of weight and for the most part has stayed lean over the years. Randolph is never going to be a power guy, so let him play to his strengths and you should be happy.
I personally think Randolph is the type of dude who you just have to hand the opportunity over to him on a silver platter, like Darko is. If you wait around hoping they EARN thier PT in practice, work ethic etc, you will be waiting forever for something that will never come. Some dudes are just strictly gamers.
Re: Where does Anthony Randolph fit into your plans?
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:40 am
by Den Masters
anthony randolph is here to stay in this team. for the amount of games he played in minny, he did well.
whether he starts or bench, he'll play a big impact in our team offensively.
Re: Where does Anthony Randolph fit into your plans?
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:19 am
by funkatron101
prefuse73 wrote:If Noah can be a starting center, Randolph can make it work...they are similar in size (randolph maybe 10lbs lighter).
Re: Where does Anthony Randolph fit into your plans?
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:43 am
by moss_is_1
I'd say more like if Camby and Tyson Chandler can be starting centers then so can Randolph....also happens that they are both oft injured because of it.
Re: Where does Anthony Randolph fit into your plans?
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:15 am
by horaceworthy
Breakdown777 wrote:30 pounds in 3 years, when I've heard many reports of him trying to put on muscle the entire time he's been in the league. 10 lbs is more likely, and I even think that could be stretch. Another reason people think Randolph can't play center is because he just gets pushed around out there. He's too lanky and weak compared to even the likes of Pau Gasol. I was at the game, and Pau for the most part treated Randolph like a rag doll.
30 pounds since he came into the league for Randolph would put him at about 225 (he weighed 197 at the combine). I don't think that's an unrealistic number.