Bogut-Kanter comparison

Guidus88 · Post #1 » by **Guidus88** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:08 am

This was taken fron draftexpress. There are many similarities between the 2.
Bogut has a better wingspan and jumps a little more, but kanter is more agile.
Kanter is 1,5 inches smaller but at the age of 19 perhaps he still grows.

Do you think that Kanter can be an Andrew Bogut player with more offensive skills?

edit: dunno why the img is cut this is the link

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee10 ... ogut-1.jpg

shangrila · Post #2 » by **shangrila** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:02 am

I think there's more to comparisons than just their measurements.

Mikchek · Post #3 » by **Mikchek** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:47 pm

so the question is...is he worth a #2 pick and can he play center?

Dewey · Post #4 » by **Dewey** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:31 pm

Good question ... been wondering the same thing. Apparently, the Wolves do not have a great liking for Kanter or they'd be pretty quiet. No one has a good handle on the guy, so there seems to be some added risk.

If we picked him #2 for need, we let the potentially best player slide to #3 without being compensated for that value. I think this is where the Wolves are hung up ... we finally get a top 2 pick and it's right in our "least need" category and they want something for it.

so ... IMO ... Since we are bottom of the league, we really need to draft BPA and I think that's clearly what is going to happen when Derrick Williams comes aboard next Thursday evening. Beasley is improving, but not proven he will be the guy even though he thinks he is. Webster does not seem to have much upside but a solid role player moving forward, and Johnson ball-handling may force him to a reserve role as well. Randolph? Give him minutes and see, else see if he can effectively accept a key backup role. Point is, I don't think we can pass on Williams, when in reality, the depth is there but the talent is unproven.

eyeteeth · Post #5 » by **eyeteeth** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:11 pm

I really like Kanter. I am one of the few that would be fine with taking him with the second pick. At the same time I won't complain if the Wolves take Williams. He has clear potential to be a key piece, and if nothing else, we would be able to trade one of our other high-value pieces (most likely Beas, but who knows) in a year when it's contract time.

My argument for Kanter is that he has a chance to be a very rare low post offensive presence. He is shy an inch of Bogut right now, but as Ronzone said, he has grown an inch or two since he played at the Nike Hoop Summit a 15 mos. or so ago. Most importantly, Kanter loves to play basketball. He's the kind of guy who is self motivated to improve his game, and is going to be in the gym all the time. He will be in shape and play with passion. For people who dog his D, these are very important facts.

My argument for taking Kanter is that there are not many chances to get a highly skilled big man who plays with a love for the game. His knock down 3 pt shooting makes him exceptionally rare. Running the pick'n'roll with Kanter will terrify other teams.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #6 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:53 pm

big problem I have is Bogut had 2 full years of proven high level play for the Utes and was impressive when leading his crappy team against top level international teams in FIBA play

with Bogut you knew he had great all around talent because he proved it against the best before even coming into the NBA. Passing, scoring, rebounding, defending

all we know about kanter is that he can bully around kids smaller than him in the paint. I don't know why he should get "knock down 3 point shooter" credit just yet. Lots of big men can hit those shots in a gym or in lesser leagues and against lesser competition with lesser stakes and where they have big fish in a small pond leeway from their coach. I just don't believe any of it. There's this theory that he's got this special agility and shooting touch and skill level, but he looks the epitome of mediocre to me. I definitely dont foresee this oaf twinkle toes'ing around the court draining J's. He's a run of the mill bruiser, I'm willing to be obnoxiously judgmental on that.

And above all, let's trade the 2 for Bogut then? There's no mystery or chance-taking in that one - Bogut compares very favorable to Bogut and Bogut is still only 26 just like Bogut is.

Esohny · Post #7 » by **Esohny** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:14 pm

Shrug. Actual Bogut's injury risk compares unfavorably to your idealized Bogut.

Post #8 » by **Worm Guts** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:30 pm

I don't get the Bogut comparisons, I don't think there's any reason to project Kanter as a good defender. He's more like a bigger Carlos Boozer from what I've seen.

Rolf · Post #9 » by **Rolf** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:31 pm

I don't really like the comparison, but at least Bogut is evidence of what a motivated center can do when he decides to take defense seriously. If I remember right, he was kind of a finesse big man in college; nice scoring touch and a gifted passer. He wasn't drafted for his defense, but when he got to the league he embraced the role of defensive anchor and has been pretty awesome at it ever since.

Esohny · Post #10 » by **Esohny** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:11 pm

Worm Guts wrote:I don't get the Bogut comparisons, I don't think there's any reason to project Kanter as a good defender. He's more like a bigger Carlos Boozer from what I've seen.

How does he remind you of Boozer?

Kumar · Post #11 » by **Kumar** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:15 pm

He's Enes Kanter. He's not like anyone else.

Post #12 » by **Worm Guts** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:18 pm

Just the way he scores, I don't know. Neither has advanced post moves or overly athletic, but use their strength and body position to score, both have jump shots, both are good offensive rebounders. Of course I've seen Kanter for about a minute on YouTube, so I may have no idea what I'm talking about.

old rem · Post #13 » by **old rem** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:22 pm

Guidus88 wrote:

This was taken fron draftexpress. There are many similarities between the 2.
Bogut has a better wingspan and jumps a little more, but kanter is more agile.
Kanter is 1,5 inches smaller but at the age of 19 perhaps he still grows.

Do you think that Kanter can be an Andrew Bogut player with more offensive skills?

edit: dunno why the img is cut this is the link

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee10 ... ogut-1.jpg

Heck...you may as well compare Patrick O'Bryant too.

One guy was a solid star in college,a solid starting NBA Pro.

The other guy played some high school ball, some under 16 Euro ball and ...that's it.

I have the same number of fingers as a brain surgeon but am just an amateur at it. :evil:

gold0259 · Post #14 » by **gold0259** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:22 pm

Wouldn't Bogut just clog up the middle for K. Love? Thats why we traded Al. We need a glorified shooting guard along with a sole distributor of the Basketball. Anthony Randolph Showed he can put it in the hole, toliver and Peck and Darko, I would not mind ditching Darko, but this Williams kid can fly. We need scorers not big guys, I want to see Dunks not lefty hook shots. Bogut is no Hakeem, we need slashers not slow white injury prone guys.. Skip Gortat Bogut and Khaman. Go get Monte Ellis or Iggy