Why not Knight?

[Dewey]

Draft Express:
"Big point guard with excellent size and speed and scoring ability … Extremely fast player who excels pushing the ball up the court …. Has a tremendous first step to get by opponents off the dribble … Strong one on one player … Excellent at driving to the basket, good body control, and a quality finisher on the move … Very creative passer … Quick decision maker … A fierce competitor, really steps his level of play up in big situations … High motor guy. Plays with a high level of intensity and passion … Strong work ethic, constantly looking to improve both his body and game … His body has seen an impressive transformation from his sophomore to senior year of high school … Has an excellent jumpshot with range out to 3 point … Good shooter off the dribble … An excellent defender who uses his length and quickness to stay in front of his man … Drew 2 changes per game as a senior in high school, an engaging young man with a bright future … "

Does this guy not compliment the Rubester well? We need a SG badly ... some rumors about Ellis, DeRozan, etc... Maybe Knight is the guy. I would not be disappointed to draft a combo guard that can shoot AND play defense. His height is an inch or two small for most NBA matchups, but we need ball players and the kid can play.

best 10 man unit yet !!!
Rubio - Ridnour/Knight
Knight - Johnson
Beasley - Johnson
Love - Randolph/Tolliver
Milicic - Randolph/Pekovic

[Worm Guts]

A 6'3 SG who shot 43 percent from the field and didn't get to the free throw line doesn't sound like someone we should be considering at 2.

[Dewey]

A 6'3 SG who shot 43 percent from the field and didn't get to the free throw line doesn't sound like someone we should be considering at 2.

you really havent watched him play have you? Maybe a youtube clip ... maybe? or just picked out a couple random stats? There's no denying the boy forced too may shots at KU, but this kid will be an all-star..

He's 19, quick as a cat, can shoot, and plays defense. Gamer all the way.

[Worm Guts]

I watched him all through the tournament. He's not an all-star, or least he's a long way from being one.

[eyeteeth]

I think he's over-rated, actually. He's got some very good skills, but is far more going-to-be good than is good. Most everyone has him going to the Jazz at 3, and I just think you need immediate impact at 3, and I can see him having a pretty rough time of it for a couple of years in the pros. And honestly, there's a chance he doesn't put it all the way together. Some of the court vision limitations he has could really hamper him. Defenders are way faster and longer in the NBA, and there is no guarantee he'll be able to make the grade. Roughly, I would say that there's a 70% chance that in four years he's a quality starter. Compare that to Valanciunas or Vesely, who are probably closer to 80-85%.

[Dewey]

I think he's over-rated, actually. He's got some very good skills, but is far more going-to-be good than is good. Most everyone has him going to the Jazz at 3, and I just think you need immediate impact at 3, and I can see him having a pretty rough time of it for a couple of years in the pros. And honestly, there's a chance he doesn't put it all the way together. Some of the court vision limitations he has could really hamper him. Defenders are way faster and longer in the NBA, and there is no guarantee he'll be able to make the grade. Roughly, I would say that there's a 70% chance that in four years he's a quality starter. Compare that to Valanciunas or Vesely, who are probably closer to 80-85%.

[cpfsf]

No offense, but I'd respect these views more if you explained your position more thoroughly. I feel that it's just a DX article. I'm not criticizing that part since NBADraft, DraftExpress, and ESPN are great for scouting info. The only reason I'm saying this is because you called out Worm Guts (I thought that was actually really lame btw). I just want to know why you think he's a better candidate than Williams, or even a vet for that matter.

[Dewey]

No offense, but I'd respect these views more if you explained your position more thoroughly. I feel that it's just a DX article. I'm not criticizing that part since NBADraft, DraftExpress, and ESPN are great for scouting info. The only reason I'm saying this is because you called out Worm Guts (I thought that was actually really lame btw). I just want to know why you think he's a better candidate than Williams, or even a vet for that matter.

First, i could give a crap what you think about me calling out Worm ... "Lame" is pointing out a mere stat to try and make an argument. Second, I highlighted the article because it paints an accurate picture of what I've seen since his junior season ... not just the NCAA tournament sitting at the bar eating wings. Third, my opinion is that he's a future all-star and is a position of serious need via Ellington ...

No offense, but I'd like to know what you have to add since the "He's 19, quick as a cat, can shoot, and plays defense. Gamer all the way" had no influence on why I think he's a great candidate....

[Krapinsky]

The answer is no, because Knight is a PG and so is Rubio. If Knight had the same trade value as WIlliams or Irving it would be something to consider, but he doesn't.

Still, I think Kanter and Knight may have established themselves as tier 2 and I think that is what has Cleveland postering --- trying to come up with the best twosome of those four players. If Utah takes Kanter at #3, then Cleveland essentially we'll be forced to reach into tier 3.

[cpfsf]

I guess you really want to plant your flag on this one. I don’t think you quite understand my criticism of this thread. All you did was copy/paste a NBADraft article (not DX) and posted some emoticon as a response. I can read scouting reports too, but we don’t need to a thread from every article.

You turned these notes from NBADraft

Extremely fast player who excels pushing the ball up the court

excellent jumpshot

An excellent defender

Into this…

He's 19, quick as a cat, can shoot, and plays defense. Gamer all the way"

Was the age on NBADraft too, or did you find that on Wikipedia? Than when someone disagrees with you, you make the accusation that they don’t watch games.

[Dewey]

I guess you really want to plant your flag on this one. I don’t think you quite understand my criticism of this thread. All you did was copy/paste a NBADraft article (not DX) and posted some emoticon as a response. I can read scouting reports too, but we don’t need to a thread from every article.

You turned these notes from NBADraft

Extremely fast player who excels pushing the ball up the court

excellent jumpshot

An excellent defender

Into this…

He's 19, quick as a cat, can shoot, and plays defense. Gamer all the way"

Was the age on NBADraft too, or did you find that on Wikipedia? Than when someone disagrees with you, you make the accusation that they don’t watch games.

you are much more clueless than I thought ... the printed scouting reports are what they are. I've seen Knight play in person many times and was amused at the similararity of the write up. Go ahead and continue acting like a total smartass ... it's odvious you really know nothing about him. I can see why you brought up Wikipedia. Pull your head out, hike up the skirt, and move on little fella...

[Dewey]

The answer is no, because Knight is a PG and so is Rubio. If Knight had the same trade value as WIlliams or Irving it would be something to consider, but he doesn't.

Still, I think Kanter and Knight may have established themselves as tier 2 and I think that is what has Cleveland postering --- trying to come up with the best twosome of those four players. If Utah takes Kanter at #3, then Cleveland essentially we'll be forced to reach into tier 3.

He's a Combo-Guard .... his desire to dominate the ball is a potential concern, but since we have no SG, I gotta think he'd see the opportunity.

He does not have the trade value of Irving or Williams now ... but he will by this time next year.

[cpfsf]

you are much more clueless than I thought ... the printed scouting reports are what they are. I've seen Knight play in person many times and was amused at the similararity of the write up. Go ahead and continue acting like a total smartass ... it's odvious you really know nothing about him. I can see why you brought up Wikipedia. Pull your head out, hike up the skirt, and move on little fella...

You agree with an article. Thank you for your input.

[Krapinsky]

The answer is no, because Knight is a PG and so is Rubio. If Knight had the same trade value as WIlliams or Irving it would be something to consider, but he doesn't.

Still, I think Kanter and Knight may have established themselves as tier 2 and I think that is what has Cleveland postering --- trying to come up with the best twosome of those four players. If Utah takes Kanter at #3, then Cleveland essentially we'll be forced to reach into tier 3.

He's a Combo-Guard .... his desire to dominate the ball is a potential concern, but since we have no SG, I gotta think he'd see the opportunity.

He does not have the trade value of Irving or Williams now ... but he will by this time next year.

If he's a combo guard he has significantly less value. He's not as strong, quick or athletic as someone like Westbrook that would allow him to be a full time SG (key point being defensively). We don't want a combo guard being our starting SG and somebody we want to build around.

[Dewey]

you are much more clueless than I thought ... the printed scouting reports are what they are. I've seen Knight play in person many times and was amused at the similararity of the write up. Go ahead and continue acting like a total smartass ... it's odvious you really know nothing about him. I can see why you brought up Wikipedia. Pull your head out, hike up the skirt, and move on little fella...

You agree with an article. Thank you for your input.

I've never had a poster belittle my post, and then, clearly reveal she has no knowledge on the topic. Hang in there though ...

[Esohny]

If there was ever a perfect time for it:



Oh boy...

[cpfsf]

I've never had a poster belittle my post, and then, clearly reveal she has no knowledge on the topic. Hang in there though ...

If your trying to insult me, your doing a terrible job.

[Klomp]

There's no denying the boy forced too may shots at KU, but this kid will be an all-star..

Knight played at Kentucky, not Kansas.

[Dewey]

The answer is no, because Knight is a PG and so is Rubio. If Knight had the same trade value as WIlliams or Irving it would be something to consider, but he doesn't.

Still, I think Kanter and Knight may have established themselves as tier 2 and I think that is what has Cleveland postering --- trying to come up with the best twosome of those four players. If Utah takes Kanter at #3, then Cleveland essentially we'll be forced to reach into tier 3.

He's a Combo-Guard .... his desire to dominate the ball is a potential concern, but since we have no SG, I gotta think he'd see the opportunity.

He does not have the trade value of Irving or Williams now ... but he will by this time next year.

If he's a combo guard he has significantly less value. He's not as strong, quick or athletic as someone like Westbrook that would allow him to be a full time SG (key point being defensively). We don't want a combo guard being our starting SG and somebody we want to build around.

valid points, IMO we need the best players ... PG, SG, Combo-Guard, etc ... we sure aren't going to trade for that person you speak of, thus, the draft. Brooks and/or Burk are not on this tier and I like Brooks - 3 years up the road. All I'm saying is is that it will be interesting to see how he develops as he grows into a 6'4" - 6'5" frame ... I simply predict he will be a perennial all-star SG within 3 years.

[Worm Guts]

No offense, but I'd respect these views more if you explained your position more thoroughly. I feel that it's just a DX article. I'm not criticizing that part since NBADraft, DraftExpress, and ESPN are great for scouting info. The only reason I'm saying this is because you called out Worm Guts (I thought that was actually really lame btw). I just want to know why you think he's a better candidate than Williams, or even a vet for that matter.

First, i could give a crap what you think about me calling out Worm ... "Lame" is pointing out a mere stat to try and make an argument. Second, I highlighted the article because it paints an accurate picture of what I've seen since his junior season ... not just the NCAA tournament sitting at the bar eating wings. Third, my opinion is that he's a future all-star and is a position of serious need via Ellington ...

No offense, but I'd like to know what you have to add since the "He's 19, quick as a cat, can shoot, and plays defense. Gamer all the way" had no influence on why I think he's a great candidate....

I don't know why you feel the need to dismiss my watching him play as "sitting at the bar eating wings". I didn't say Knight was a bad player, but he's got significant issues for someone being considered as high as he is. He's 6'3, and he's not Derrick Rose or John Wall athletically, which make it tough for me to project him as an elite scorer in the NBA and when you combine that with questionable point guard skills, and statistics that point out a questionable shot selection and a current lack of ability to get to the line, I just don't see him as an all-star.