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So maybe you want to upgrade some position, or make room for other talented players , or you just dont like the guy....

Can't we write a petition to Stern and ask to play with 6 players this year?

BTT: As much as I like him... Klove. He is the only player who will net us true value. I'd rather die than see AR or SCB dropping 40 on us, knowing all we got was a mid-first rounder. If Klove goes for 30/30 against us, at least I'll know we've netted Gordon or someone else of actual value. But he's the face of the franchise and our only Allstar, so I know this won't happen.

I voted Luke Ridnour. He is a solid player however I rather Minnesota have a more defensive minded point guard to compliment Rubio like Anthony Carter whom we could play together with Rubio if needed. My second option would be Kevin Love. Too many forwards on the roster and Love has the most value of any right now. This team still needs talent and needs to balance out this roster. We need an upgrade at the 5, I wouldnt mind getting another point guard one whom can start until Rubio shows he is ready and I would like to see some veterans and some role players added to this team.

Nikola Pekovic. He just doesn't do enough for this roster to justify his contract. Darko, at the very least, will be a servicable defensive backup.

Also, Wayne Ellington and Lazar Hayward. Trim the fat from the roster.

Probably Tolliver too. I like him, don't particularly want to see him go, but there are just no minutes for him.

I wouldn't say I WANT to see him traded, but Love could bring us the most back in terms of help at center or shooting guard. I think Beasley and Williams are going to both be very good, and two forwards(if one of them can guard 3's) who can do the things they do in the same line up intrigues me. I also think presently we would get a lower rate of return on either of those two players considering where their ceilings are.

Klove would, by far, net the most return. I'm not necessarily saying it's what i want, but i strongly believe in selling high. He'll never be more valued than he is right now. Could get a very good/great sg for him right now. Even though that's an unwritten rule to not trade big for small... it would make the return sg even better.

Hopefully AR has a very good start to the season, he may also be able to bring much in return.

Tier One:
Webster, Tolliver, Ellington, Miller, and Lazar can all go for cap space/salary filler. Pek can go for cap space or an expiring contract.

Tier Two:
Ridnour can go only if deal brings back a better backup PG. Darko can go only if deal brings us back a better defensive-minded C.

Tier Three:
Randolph, Beasley or Wes can go, but only if deal brings back an above-average starting SG or C (Think Iggy/Ellis or Marc Gasol/Gortat).

Tier 4:
Derrick Williams can go in a deal for a legit star (Howard).

Tier 5:
Ricky and Kevin aren't going anywhere.

Would OKC accept a Williams/Pekovic for Harden/Ibaka swap? Maybe if we throw in a couple picks we acquired.

I agree Love would net us the highest return. We could also be a very athletic team with Williams at the 4 and Randolph at the 5.

Love would net us a great return, but Williams probably nets us the second best (better than Rubio would, but can't trade Rubio, too much hope invested there)

Ridnour makes the most sense, followed by all of Tier 1 listed, but again, how much will you really get back for them. Ridnour has value, as does Darko to an extent given position, contract and production.

Hard for me to want to see anyone gone really. We see the potential in these guys and would like them to realize it here. Hayward and Ellington are the easiest for me to see go, but won't be getting anything of real value back on them.

young above really put it out there about the most accurate.

Why Pekovic is not listed separately in the poll? He's my #1 candidate to go.

[RCG] wrote:Would OKC accept a Williams/Pekovic for Harden/Ibaka swap? Maybe if we throw in a couple picks we acquired.

I agree Love would net us the highest return. We could also be a very athletic team with Williams at the 4 and Randolph at the 5.

I'm not sure about that, they are just too lightweight for that. Who's going to box out? They will just get destroyed on the glass. Love has a big butt and a very strong body, he's a banger we need next to those finesse athletes.

younggunsmn wrote:Tier One:
Webster, Tolliver, Ellington, Miller, and Lazar can all go for cap space/salary filler. Pek can go for cap space or an expiring contract. Darko can go- if he doesn't get to start and/or has problems with the coach I can see this bridge burning quickly.

Tier Two:
Ridnour can go only if deal brings back a better backup PG.

Tier Three:
Randolph, Beasley or Wes can go, but only if deal brings back an above-average starting SG or C (Think Iggy/Ellis or Marc Gasol/Bogut).

Tier 4:
Derrick Williams can go in a deal for an all-star.

Tier 5:
Ricky and Kevin aren't going anywhere.

This, with my minimal changes in bold.

Michael Beasley is the odd man out in my opinion and in my opinion he was already the odd man out before they drafted Williams. I firmly believe his best position at both ends of the floor is at PF and while i'm actually fine with playing Love more minutes at center i'd rather do so to make room for Randolph and Williams then for Beasley.

Its not just a basketball thing but his rookie deal is nearly up and if he stays and starts he is going to put up numbers that will result in him either leaving in free agency or worse the Wolves paying him. I have seen nothing from Beasley that would suggest he can be anything more then a 6th man on a good basketball team.

I think the only teams that Beasley is really suited to help, are teams with a legit center who don't require much help down low from a PF ala a Dwight Howard. Lets face it, this league isn't exactly over run with those type of centers. So while a Beasley would be great for the Magic in giving them both the four guys who can shoot threes around Dwight that they love to have but also is enough PF to give some help down low.

I don't see him ever being successful at SF on a consistent basis and he already lacks the lateral quickness to guard the position well, as he gets older that is going to become a bigger issue then it already is.

For my money the best part of his game is his ability to use his perimeter shooting to force PF's to come out and defend him that aren't really quick enough to deal with him off the dribble where he can either get to the rim or use (what I consider the best part of his game) his nifty little in between shots that most players don't ever get comfortable taking.

My hope is that he could be used perhaps with a draft pick to allow the Wolves to both dump some of the trash (Ellington, Hayward, Millic or Pekovic) while also bringing back a solid SG, SF or C who fits and fills a need.

Say Beasley, Pekovic, Ellington for JJ Redick, Earl Clark and Daniel Orton. Redick slides in as the starting SG and you take a look at Clark and Orton on the cheap. Then look for a center in free agency.

By the way, if you guys honestly believe that those listed in tier three are actually enough to be the main piece in a deal that brings back an Iggy, Bogut, Gasol, Ellis,etc you're way off base on the actual value of the tier three guys and in terms of how those teams value those players.

Not assuming the value would necessarily always be there by itself, just saying that is the type of player it would take to move them. And the new CBA and a hard cap could drastically change how players with huge contracts are valued.

I think it would be foolish to trade Beasley before we determine whether Derrick Williams can play SF (especially whether he can adequately defend).

You must really hate Beasley if you would trade him for JJ Redick and 2 draft busts. Redick is nothing more than a bench shooter. According to Lipoli on the ESPN boards (a legit insider) the team is still extremely high on Beasley.

I voted Webster. He just seems like the odd man out. I want to see Kahn get a vet SG to backup Wes and go with a three-man rotation at 3/4 with Beas-Williams-Love. Tolliver and Johnson can pick up any spare minutes. Pekovic seems like he's likely gone if Kahn can find a solid vet C, otherwise, he's entertaining on a non-basketball level. Ellington would be an pbvious choice also.

JMillott wrote:By the way, if you guys honestly believe that those listed in tier three are actually enough to be the main piece in a deal that brings back an Iggy, Bogut, Gasol, Ellis,etc you're way off base on the actual value of the tier three guys and in terms of how those teams value those players.

I didn't see it as a centerpiece, but more of two of them being packaged together...Randolph and Wes for Iggy seems pretty fair to me, I might even ask for another small incentive.

I think Beasley might be the most polarizing guy on the roster. Most of us seem content with Rubio, Love, Randolph, and Wes, but Beas get's this stuff thrown at him all the time. Sure, he'd make a nasty face-up PF....but I think he's fine at SF. Yeah, he doesn't play the best defense against quick wings, but he's what, 22 years old? I don't think we need to worry about him "slowing down with age" until his next contract expires. Is it because MIA gave him away and because those advanced stats say so that he's regarded this way?

I guess I'm just not a big fan of writing off a player who obviously has plenty of talent, drive, and potential after one season, especially for the value he'd probably net in a trade. It makes the most sense to keep him and watch him blow up for us as to selling him for less than he's worth. If he doesn't wow us all and Williams shows he can play the 3 just as well as Beas, then we can discuss options. For at least another season, I'm happy believing in Beasley.

Breakdown777 wrote:

JMillott wrote:By the way, if you guys honestly believe that those listed in tier three are actually enough to be the main piece in a deal that brings back an Iggy, Bogut, Gasol, Ellis,etc you're way off base on the actual value of the tier three guys and in terms of how those teams value those players.

I didn't see it as a centerpiece, but more of two of them being packaged together...Randolph and Wes for Iggy seems pretty fair to me, I might even ask for another small incentive.

I think Beasley might be the most polarizing guy on the roster. Most of us seem content with Rubio, Love, Randolph, and Wes, but Beas get's this stuff thrown at him all the time. Sure, he'd make a nasty face-up PF....but I think he's fine at SF. Yeah, he doesn't play the best defense against quick wings, but he's what, 22 years old? I don't think we need to worry about him "slowing down with age" until his next contract expires. Is it because MIA gave him away and because those advanced stats say so that he's regarded this way?

I guess I'm just not a big fan of writing off a player who obviously has plenty of talent, drive, and potential after one season, especially for the value he'd probably net in a trade. It makes the most sense to keep him and watch him blow up for us as to selling him for less than he's worth. If he doesn't wow us all and Williams shows he can play the 3 just as well as Beas, then we can discuss options. For at least another season, I'm happy believing in Beasley.

Personally I think he's poised for a breakout year, and being that his trade value isn't super high I think it would be silly to cash out on him before we confirm one way or another just what kind of player he will be. If he's healthy, with another year being around the same guys, AND a point that can hopefully make things easier for him... AND it sounds like he's really putting the work in this summer. I just think we could look very, very stupid if we sell low on this guy. Could be wrong, but I think we need to let him play some more and see.

No way beas is leading this

No one wants to trade Darko

I would have to say Kevin Love. Some reasons was already sad.

-Plenty of young talented guys who can play on that position
-He plays defence very poor, even worse than last years even tho he had more playing time. He had even less PF as well. Witch put Beasley and Darko in quick foul trouble many times.
-He can make room for all other players to show they potencial, especially AR and now D-Will.
-He will probably never have more value

I think that his contibution is really overrated, T-Wolfs have plenty of guys who can score they are one of the best scoring teams in league. So his 20+ points is not problem, others guys will compensate that for sure. If you look his 15+ rebounds, same story. And not to mention at least 3-4 of that 15 rebounds is taken from the hand of his teammates.


If you look efficienty he is on paper 1st in the league. But if you really think about it would you rather have Dwight, Lebron, Wade, Dirk, Rose, heck even John Wall, C.Paul, Bogut, Aldrige... and many others. So if he is 1st why would you rather have other guys ?

I think he is not a team lider or a game changer.

I dont think he is bad, he is great guy, warrior who hustle for every ball, give it his best almost every night, big guy who can shot 3's very well. But I dont think he is right for Wolf now. Maybe if Wolfs had better outside defenders.

I see him as great trade bait. I would trade him for 23-28 year old All-Star SG who plays great defence. For example GS has 2 great guards Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry, they would probably trade one if they get right offer. Others like Tyreke Evans, Rudy Gay, Andre Iguodala... would do just fine as well.

Just look at line up then

Ricky Rubio/Luke Ridnour
(Monta Ellis/Stephen Curry/Tyreke Evans/Rudy Gay/Andre Iguodala)/Wesley Johnson/Martell Webster
Michael Beasley/Derrick Williams/
Anthony Randolph/Derrick Williams/Anthony Tolliver
Darko Milicic/Nikola Pekovic/Brad Miller

Last year only Darko was defencive player in starting line up. With this small change you would have at least four.
1. Rubio (in Europe he had lots of steal, I think he is capable to do the same here)
2. (defensive SG, obtained by trade)
3./
4. Randolph (is capable to play good defence and get alot of blocks, and some steal)
5. Darko (tons of blocks, and also some steals, and forcing opponets to alter their shots )

But Beasley is also not useless he can play some defence as well, Toliver and Pek can also shine in defence from time to time. So its a great upgrade.


But I think it wont happen, I'm sceptical about it ... but it would be so sweet if Wolfs can pull it off.