The Webster/Miller trade chip next offseason

[younggunsmn]

Martell Webster is guaranteed only $600,000 for 2012-13.
Brad Miller is guaranteed only $848,000.

Combined they are guaranteed only 1,448,000.

Webster will make $5,256,000 for 2011-12.
Miller will make $4,752,000.
Combined that is $10,008,000.

Under current CBA matching rules we could take back
$12,261,000 in salary for them.
That is $11,162,000 in potential savings (and cap room) for some team.

Remember the talk about Det sending 8+Hamilton to CLE for their TPE?
Miller and Webster will function just like that TPE on draft day next year.

Even if we don't end up with the Utah pick, could we use those 2 to essentially "buy" a lottery pick next year if the new CBA puts a squeeze on teams? Maybe pick up an overpriced but valuable player?

[[RCG]]

Martell Webster is guaranteed only $600,000 for 2012-13.
Brad Miller is guaranteed only $848,000.

Combined they are guaranteed only 1,448,000.

Webster will make $5,256,000 for 2011-12.
Miller will make $4,752,000.
Combined that is $10,008,000.

Under current CBA matching rules we could take back
$12,261,000 in salary for them.
That is $11,162,000 in potential savings (and cap room) for some team.

Remember the talk about Det sending 8+Hamilton to CLE for their TPE?
Miller and Webster will function just like that TPE on draft day next year.

Even if we don't end up with the Utah pick, could we use those 2 to essentially "buy" a lottery pick next year if the new CBA puts a squeeze on teams? Maybe pick up an overpriced but valuable player?

I'm sure they will be. I wouldn't be surprised if the Wolves front-office had this in mind when they acquired Webster and traded for Miller. Having the option to package these guys could come up pretty big if the new CBA puts a squeeze on some of the bigger-spending teams.

[JMillott]

Actually, you don't even have to wait for that package to be valuable. Miller's salary is insured so any team he plays for is getting paid back whatever they pay him so he is basically a trade exception already.

Webster is a servicable player who can fill a role on a great many teams and like you said he is basically an expiring contract so its a short term commitment. In fact he is exactly the type of player a team might want in return if they were moving a high salary veteran out of the way so a young prospect can start because he can fill that back up role short team for less, isn't unhappy about getting benched and teams love backups who are good for a 100+ threes a year.

In fact this is the exact package i'd expect to be put around a Michael Beasley if the Wolves make a trade for a major piece like an Iggy, Monta, Martin, etc. Perhaps with the Wolves throwing in a pick or two in order to sweeten the deal for someone a little better or to get a team to take an Ellington, Pekovic, Darko, etc.

[NoelTheMole]

I smell a S&T for Dwight Howard!

[shrink]

One more advantage is that unlike expirings, these guys can be traded after the season is over.

Since both players are guaranteed "some" salary in 2012-13, they become eligible for trades before the summer moritorium. Now, several teams that need cap space (and we may be one, so we may not trade them at all) may make deals before the February trade deadline, we often see team directions change in the last third of the season, or especially in the play-offs. These deals have strategic trade value by allowing a team to make a last-second change in their financial direction.

[JMillott]

I smell a S&T for Dwight Howard!

As unlikely as it is that Dwight Howard would willingly sign or agree to be sign and traded to the Wolves, I must admit that the Wolves roster would actually be a pretty good fit for him. I mean the Wolves have shooters, having guys that can maybe be beat off the dribble isn't nearly the same issue with Dwight Horward behind them and for Dwight i've got to believe the idea of a passing PG like Rubio to feed him would make him better and then you've got the factor that he must be getting sick of being the only rebounder on his teams so playing with Love would take all that pressure off of him.

It'll never happen but he'd certainly have enough around him to win titles.

[Devilzsidewalk]

thats pretty awesome to know, the trade makes a ton more sense now. Makes it easier to deal for a good player midseason too because Webster and Miller actually have some ability to contribute unlike Dampier

[Esohny]

Now if Kahn were only allowed to add salary.

[JMillott]

Now if Kahn were only allowed to add salary.

I believe that he would be allowed to take on salary if it was a salary that would make a difference. Its not like Glen Taylor was unwilling to throw money at the problem back during the McHale era, its just that after spending all that money mostly for nothing he likely has learned that you don't do it unless its worth it.

In all honesty, you're better off having an owner and management group that thinks before it spends. I'm very happy the Celtics owners have been willing to pay the luxtax during this window but i'm just as grateful they have drawn a line in the sand and haven't commited to anyone besides Rondo and Pierce beyond the last year of KG's extension besides slotted rookie contracts and even with Pierce and Rondo they only gave them what they're actually worth if not less.

It might've bit them on the *** in regards to not giving Tony Allen that third year but i'd still rather they keep their options open and are ready to reload instead of having to rebuild after next year.

[Foye]

They seem like pretty amazing trade chips. I bet Webster stays and Miller gets cut, though.

[Peezo]

I haven't read anything substantial on Miller's feelings about being here / our stance on his role with the team. Does anyone have a good link?

[shangrila]

Now if Kahn were only allowed to add salary.

I believe that he would be allowed to take on salary if it was a salary that would make a difference. Its not like Glen Taylor was unwilling to throw money at the problem back during the McHale era, its just that after spending all that money mostly for nothing he likely has learned that you don't do it unless its worth it.

Yeah but back then the economy wasn't in the toilet

[Foye]

I gotta say we would have the most trading chips of all nba teams if our 2012 pick still belonged to us.

We might even have the most without that pick.

[Yes We Kahn]

I haven't read anything substantial on Miller's feelings about being here / our stance on his role with the team. Does anyone have a good link?

I believe in Kahn's interview with Bill Simmons he mentioned that he was excited about Miller's veteran presence on the team, but I could be remembering wrong. I think there is a link in that thread.

[EddyCool]

Now if Kahn were only allowed to add salary.

I believe that he would be allowed to take on salary if it was a salary that would make a difference. Its not like Glen Taylor was unwilling to throw money at the problem back during the McHale era, its just that after spending all that money mostly for nothing he likely has learned that you don't do it unless its worth it.

Yeah but back then the economy wasn't in the toilet

There's still nothing to suggest this is remotely accurate. Even the Kahn/Rambis, "don't pay two coaches," has only ever been fan speculation. It's like the only reason anyone thinks Taylor is cheap is because they can reason out financially-rational explanations for our circumstances.

Also - he paid Darko at the behest of Kahn/Rambis when the media said it was moronic, but nobody thinks about that.

I haven't read anything substantial on Miller's feelings about being here / our stance on his role with the team. Does anyone have a good link?

I believe in Kahn's interview with Bill Simmons he mentioned that he was excited about Miller's veteran presence on the team, but I could be remembering wrong. I think there is a link in that thread.

He did. He said he knows him from his time in Indiana, and likes his character and thinks he can help out in the locker room.

It's kind of weird... long ago I decided I hated him because he was pissy and pushy against KG (may not have been playoffs specifically). Times change.

[NewWolvesOrder]

I haven't read anything substantial on Miller's feelings about being here / our stance on his role with the team. Does anyone have a good link?

I believe in Kahn's interview with Bill Simmons he mentioned that he was excited about Miller's veteran presence on the team, but I could be remembering wrong. I think there is a link in that thread.

Miller is an outdoor type of guy,he loves hunting and fishing so we will love his time in Sota while rehabbing from MF surgery. Maybe Taylor will convince to stick to outdoor activities so that isurance company keeps paying his salary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QAumv7wR58
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgUjVfAx-wQ

there's a few more related videos featuring Miller.

[shrink]

I hope that the 15-man roster limit doesn't encourage the wolves to simply buy out the remainder of Brad Miller's contract (with the help of the insurance company). I like the opportunity to have him in the locker room, and the contract will be a trade chip at the deadline, or before the next season begins.

[Klomp]

I hope that the 15-man roster limit doesn't encourage the wolves to simply buy out the remainder of Brad Miller's contract (with the help of the insurance company). I like the opportunity to have him in the locker room, and the contract will be a trade chip at the deadline, or before the next season begins.

With how young our team is, I'd be surprised if Kahn buys him out

[TrentTuckerForever]

It's kind of weird... long ago I decided I hated him because he was pissy and pushy against KG (may not have been playoffs specifically). Times change.

Miller is a classic "love him on your team, hate him on any other team" veteran. If he can suit up and play 15-20 MPG 60-70 games for the Woofies, I think he'd make a difference.

I like all the roster advantages of the young, cheap talent, and the easily moved veterans. I just don't trust that Kahn is the guy to finally make the signature move cash in these chips.

[Klomp]

I like all the roster advantages of the young, cheap talent, and the easily moved veterans. I just don't trust that Kahn is the guy to finally make the signature move cash in these chips.

Why not? He's the one who acquired all of them sans Love.