Adelman In, Beasley Out?

[PG24]

I think the Adelman hire ensures the end for Beasley's time in MN. He still has the potential to be a great piece under the right system, but Adelman's just isn't it, at all, imo. He can't play off the ball, has low IQ, subpar defender, more trouble in transition than he is effective, etc. All that doesn't fit with Adelman's style and because of that there's essentially zero chance he'll be retained after his rookie deal is up. It was a nice attempt by Kahn at snagging a high upside talent for only a couple 2nd rounders, but it's hard to imagine the Beasley experiment getting much better under Adelman.

My hope is Kahn looks to trade him while getting in return a piece or pieces that better round out the roster to RA's liking.

Thinking Battier is out of reach until proven otherwise, here's the type of deal I'd pull the trigger on:

MIN In: O.J. Mayo, Jared Dudley
MIN Out: Michael Beasley, Wayne Ellington, MEM 1st

I think Dudley is a terrific role player and is exactly the type of glue-guy the Wolves need at this point. Accurate, high volume 3pt shooter, good defender, smart player, vocal, plays within his means. He'd do work in Adelman's system and his impact in the locker room would be big.

Mayo is a guy who potentially could become a key/vital contributor under Adelman's coaching. He possesses a lot of tools that suits the corner offense well, but of course he's limited in many aspects also. Despite his shortcomings, the fact that he's a plus at running the break, a scoring threat with long range shooting spacing the floor, can both handle the ball and is effective off the ball, all of that could equate to a potentially dangerous backcourt combo when paired with Rubio. And again, the maturity in the locker room with Beasley going out and Mayo coming in would change for the better.

MEM In: Robin Lopez, Wayne Ellington
MEM Out: O.J. Mayo

Memphis receives a very capable, defensive oriented backup center in Lopez to help spell Gasol some minutes, and a combo guard to possibly help the void left by Mayo's departure. Not sure what the going rate is for Mayo these days, but it's well known that he and Hollins don't mesh well and I can't imagine it'd be too high.

PHO In: Michael Beasley, MEM 1st
PHO Out: Jared Dudley, Robin Lopez

Again not sure how much Phoenix values these two players so this was more of a shot in the dark than anything. They receive a couple of rebuilding assets to help mold their future better once Nash is finally out while not giving away anything real special. Potentially Pek or Darko could be added in to make up for the loss of Lopez, if the money works.

Rubio / Ridnour
Mayo / Webster
Johnson / Dudley
Love / Williams
Randolph? Darko? Pek? Chuck Hayes!

Or something like that; Mayo could come off the bench and take the combo backup guard role with say Wes as the starting 2. Whatever the case I'd much rather go this type of route then either (a) simply keeping Beasley or (b) going after someone like Ellis, who a lot of people seem to covet. I think it's important that another ball handler is brought in before the season starts to help take pressure off of Rubio as well as adding a vet leader to the team, and this deal would seemingly shore up both those needs. Lots of other potential deals out there though.

[Foye]

I don't think OJ Mayo has much more value than Beasley at this point. He's had a pretty bad season last year and I don't think I would include a first rounder to make that swap. Dudley is just a throw-in, IMO.

[shrink]

Beasley was #20 in scoring last year, he is still on his rookie contract, and hasn't scratched an upside that few other players in the NBA possess.

I think you are under-valueing the guy.

[shangrila]

I think Beasley deserves atleast chance in a half decent system before they push him out the door.

[Grits n Gravy]

I think Beasley deserves atleast chance in a half decent system before they push him out the door.

absolutely agree, i really want beasley here all season...it's fruastrating seeing people rag on him and saying they want to get rid of him when it was his first year playing exclusively at the 3, played under a terrible coach and system and forget the guy was pretty dam dominant and a legit number 1 option before injuries found him. i love beas and though i'm dissapointed by some of his actions lately i think he still deserves the chance to grow up and mature a bit as he is still so young.

[teven_1]

I think Beasley deserves atleast chance in a half decent system before they push him out the door.

Beasley, Darko AND kahn deserve a chance, thoughts?

[Worm Guts]

I could roll with it, I don't know if Memphis would. Mayo's a much better fit.

[moss_is_1]

I think Dudley is probably the best player in that deal at this time, which is sad. I would do it, because Dudley can play some 2, although it does kind of create more of a logjam for us by essentially trading down into more players.

[Esohny]

I could roll with it, I don't know if Memphis would. Mayo's a much better fit.

Yup.

[Klomp]

The value might be off quite a bit, but I've wondered about a Beasley to LAC for our pick returned deal. Before the offseason, Clipper fans were demanding Love. But now with our improvements, maybe they'd settle for Beasley. Our pick would be around #10 in a strong draft, where we could draft a center or shooting guard, or trade it for more established veteran talent.

[Esohny]

The value might be off quite a bit, but I've wondered about a Beasley to LAC for our pick returned deal. Before the offseason, Clipper fans were demanding Love. But now with our improvements, maybe they'd settle for Beasley. Our pick would be around #10 in a strong draft, where we could draft a center or shooting guard, or trade it for more established veteran talent.

It's off quite a bit.

[Narf]

It's not a bad idea, but maybe we look at something like Williams/Rubio/??? for CP3/??? instead. I wouldn't mind this trade though.

[PG24]

Beasley was #20 in scoring last year, he is still on his rookie contract, and hasn't scratched an upside that few other players in the NBA possess.

I think you are under-valueing the guy.

I think it's been proven over these past 3 years that Beasley has nowhere near that kind of upside. He's a talented scorer, sure, but until he proves he can do it in multiple ways efficiently he's arguably more of a net liability on the court than he is a net positive. Outside of scoring, what else does he bring? Very little, imo. I think he still has a chance to become a real plus scorer in the league somewhere, but it likely won't be under Adelman, who's proven he doesn't need ISO scorers for his teams to be successful. His system is tailored for players who can excel off the ball, so it fits a lot of our guys, but Beasley just isn't one of them. I think it's more possible that, considering the poor fit, Beasley's value actually decreases under Adelman than increases (lack of scoring output, lack of PT, those types of outcomes could easily occur).

What kind of value is expected in return for Beasley?

[eyeteeth]

Beasley is better than anyone we could trade him for, and OJ Mayo is undersized and has a horrible attitude.

As for fit, Adelman was excited for the chance to coach T-Mac, and has coached Kevin Martin for years. Beasley is not at the level of those guys right now, but it's hard to say that Adelman has no use for ball-dominant players or scorers with defensive liabilities.

Conclusion: You're probably happy to find reasons to get rid of Beas. I have no use for your haterade.

[Krapinsky]

I think it could definitely mean we trade for Granger or Iggy when the lockout is over and the time presents itself.

[Mattya]

While I wouldn't mind Mayo as a secondary ball handler, and creator on the court with Rubio, i don't want to trade Beasley yet. I'm just a fan of Beasley, even though he makes some mistakes on and off the court. I feel at the worst he would be a great sixth man. I hope Mike really worked on getting stability back in his ankles. The Wolves do have some great physical trainers, but who knows if he focused on that during this lockout. I really want to seem him succeed here. I think Adelman could get a lot out of Beasley. What Beasley needs to do is stay focused for entire plays, both on offense and defense. On O when he cathces the ball he waits for the defense to need to clear the lane. What he needs to do is see that before he catches the ball. Catch the ball already recognizing the defense, and attack or pass and reposition. Work more out of the post being so much stronger then other players. Defensively he needs to stay down and not bite on pump fakes, and recognize where the offense wants to get the ball. He sees the first offensive threat, but doesn't see the perimeter threats. Hopefully it was partially the Rambis defensive scheme.

[Vindicater]

While I agree that Beasely/Randolph do not fit the Adelman style of his past few coaching experiances. We need to remember that he took the Trailblazers to the finals twice with a team full of knuckleheads who could not play any style of basketball other than frantic run and gun chaos.

God those trailblazers teams were fun to watch. Not always pretty, but damn fun.

[shrink]

IMO, it's interesting you hate Beasley and like Mayo. I find Mayo to be a similar, but inferior copy of Beasley.

[jpatrick]

I don't particularly like or dislike Beas, but the Houston fans say that Adelman won't get along with players that have a low BBIQ and that are primarily iso type players. I worry that this might prohibit Beas and Randolph from getting significant minutes.

Now that he has a coach, it'll be interesting to see if Kahn makes any moves prior tot he start of the season to adapt the roster to what Adelman likes to do, assuming of course there is some period of time between the lock out ending and the season beginning in which teams can make moves.

[PG24]

Uh, I don't hate Beasley. I get that he's a good scorer, a great talent, one of if not the only player on the roster able to create scoring opportunities for himself who also possesses great size and length for the 3 spot. I like the guy, but I tend to point out the negatives simply because there are a lot of them. The talent is definitely there, and he's shown glimpses of being a monster, but to date he hasn't proven he's worthy of much value. PPG need to be taken with a grain of salt in Beasley's case considering how he went about getting them, and outside of that one statistic, there just isn't much else there. He still has lots of proving yet to do and it's tough to see that happening under Adelman, who I don't think is going to give Beas the freedom needed to operate.

Do I under-value him? Possibly. But then again he did just get traded for two 2nd round picks a year ago, and although he is worth more than that now, since then he's been inconsistent while playing an inefficient brand of basketball (blame that on Rambis' system, but still doesn't help his value), hasn't improved in many areas, and he's had a couple off the court issues that won't help the case either. I don't see much value there. Hence the Mayo trade, who I'm not a huge fan of but would clearly make for a much better fit.