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Glen Taylor a hard-liner
Posted: Mon Nov 7, 2011 9:21 pm
by shrink
Berger wrote: According to a person familiar with ownership dynamics, the so-called "original" hard-line teams were Atlanta, Charlotte, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Memphis, Philadelphia, Washington, Portland and Minnesota. There has been growing support in recent weeks for the hard-liners' position that Stern has given up too much in the negotiations -- thus, the ultimatum and subsequent shift to a more severe proposal if the players fail to accept the deal on the table by the close of business Wednesday
http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/33172640
Re: Glen Taylor a hard-liner
Posted: Mon Nov 7, 2011 9:37 pm
by Krapinsky
No surprise there.
Re: Glen Taylor a hard-liner
Posted: Mon Nov 7, 2011 9:38 pm
by AQuintus
So it's basically all of the poorly run, small market teams and Portland, who has had 18 different GMs in the last 2 years.
Re: Glen Taylor a hard-liner
Posted: Mon Nov 7, 2011 9:50 pm
by Foye
No surprise. The franchise lost a lot of money in their recent losing years.
Taylor is a business man. He'll want to limit his losses as good as possible.
Re: Glen Taylor a hard-liner
Posted: Mon Nov 7, 2011 11:30 pm
by shrink
I'm rooting for the hard-liners.
Well, maybe I should restate that. I'm rooting for anything that's going to put all teams on a more level playing field.
What I think is interesting about this list is that several of the smallest markets aren't hard-lining it. NOH (well, they have no owner), UTA, OKC, SAS. MEM is there. I expected IND, after the loads of money they lost.
Re: Glen Taylor a hard-liner
Posted: Tue Nov 8, 2011 12:51 am
by Esohny
Shrug.
Re: Glen Taylor a hard-liner
Posted: Tue Nov 8, 2011 2:00 am
by LordBaldric
Boooooooo.
Re: Glen Taylor a hard-liner
Posted: Tue Nov 8, 2011 2:12 am
by cpfsf
The Hornets owner would have been on that list too had he not sold the team to the NBA.
Re: Glen Taylor a hard-liner
Posted: Tue Nov 8, 2011 3:47 am
by Devilzsidewalk
Good. Stick to your guns Glen, you're fighting to uphold the purity of solid economic footing!
You too Fisher, don't bend an inch. You're like pre-mafia Jimmy Hoffa here - you're helping the underprivileged get whats coming to them by fighting against The Man, never surrender!
I'm finding that not giving a **** about if/when the season starts is surprisingly effortless. I really thought I'd care more. Guess I'm just kinda excited to watch both sides crash and burn behind their stubborn misguided theories and find out everything they've worked for in life is irrelevant and that they aren't a load-bearing pillar of the universe. It'll be a good learning experience.
Re: Glen Taylor a hard-liner
Posted: Tue Nov 8, 2011 4:05 am
by Esohny
Devilzsidewalk wrote:Good. Stick to your guns Glen, you're fighting to uphold the purity of solid economic footing!
You too Fisher, don't bend an inch. You're like pre-mafia Jimmy Hoffa here - you're helping the underprivileged get whats coming to them by fighting against The Man, never surrender!
I'm finding that not giving a **** about if/when the season starts is surprisingly effortless. I really thought I'd care more. Guess I'm just kinda excited to watch both sides crash and burn behind their stubborn misguided theories and find out everything they've worked for in life is irrelevant and that they aren't a load-bearing pillar of the universe. It'll be a good learning experience.
I don't think that either side is capable of that level of awareness.
Re: Glen Taylor a hard-liner
Posted: Tue Nov 8, 2011 5:13 am
by eyeteeth
I don't like it, but I get it. Watching big market teams outspend you year after year would be galling. In this light in particular being in favor of a steep luxury tax makes sense.
Other than that, though, the % BRI is a fairness issue, and it's unfair to ask the players to take less than 50%. Also, I think hard caps make it harder for small market teams to be competitive, not easier. But the big one remains media money. I would be much more understanding if I heard that Taylor was a hard-liner on revenue sharing.
Re: Glen Taylor a hard-liner
Posted: Tue Nov 8, 2011 10:35 am
by Tirion
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUaL1FnotRQ[/youtube]
Re: Glen Taylor a hard-liner
Posted: Tue Nov 8, 2011 6:31 pm
by moss_is_1
I'm to the point where I don't care...I'm not missing the NBA yet, so we might as well try to fix the NBA before we start playing since we've come this far.
Re: Glen Taylor a hard-liner
Posted: Wed Nov 9, 2011 5:33 am
by horaceworthy
AQuintus wrote:So it's basically all of the poorly run, small market teams and Portland, who has had 18 different GMs in the last 2 years.
They are who we thought they were?
Re: Glen Taylor a hard-liner
Posted: Wed Nov 9, 2011 5:46 am
by Beas
According to a report from the blog 24/7 Wall Street, seven North American professional teams are "on the brink of collapse".
The Minnesota Timberwolves, Sacramento Kings and Indiana Pacers are the three teams on the list.
The Wolves have lost money in every season but one since 2004.
Attendance at Kings' games has dropped nearly 20% over the past 10 seasons.
The Pacers have lost $52 million over five years and attendance has declined by over 24%, which represents the second biggest decline in the NBA.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... l_CollapseWell that might explain why he's a hardliner. Would be interested to hear more on this..
Re: Glen Taylor a hard-liner
Posted: Wed Nov 9, 2011 7:14 am
by Foye
No wonder the Wolves have been losing money since 2004 considering our records in the past KG era.
Wolves need to finally put a competitive product on the floor and then we'll be making a profit - or at least not 20 mil. losses.
Also ticket prices need to go up. These buy tickets for as low as our draft pick is offers only ruin the franchise. Obviously, they're hoping some of the guys who buy $2 tickets stick but it doesn't seem to be the case when i watch wolves games.
Re: Glen Taylor a hard-liner
Posted: Wed Nov 9, 2011 7:26 am
by jade_hippo
The Wolves are worth $250million. Glen, their owner, is worth $2.2 BILLION. I fail to see where the Wolves are on the edge of financial ruin.
Re: Glen Taylor a hard-liner
Posted: Wed Nov 9, 2011 7:53 am
by Foye
jade_hippo wrote:The Wolves are worth $250million. Glen, their owner, is worth $2.2 BILLION. I fail to see where the Wolves are on the edge of financial ruin.
Well, as a franchise they probably are on the edge of financial ruin if Taylor decided not to put in his money anymore.
Re: Glen Taylor a hard-liner
Posted: Wed Nov 9, 2011 11:40 am
by KAHN_SWITCH
Good on Glen for taking the hard line, the nba as awhole is in the pts atm and needs serious change, and if it means missing a year so be it.
One question that may or may not have been answered is what exactly happens with the draft if there is no season>>>
Re: Glen Taylor a hard-liner
Posted: Wed Nov 9, 2011 12:05 pm
by Foye
KAHN_SWITCH wrote:Good on Glen for taking the hard line, the nba as awhole is in the pts atm and needs serious change, and if it means missing a year so be it.
One question that may or may not have been answered is what exactly happens with the draft if there is no season>>>
The Clippers will have a 25% chance of the 1st pick if there's no season and we get Utah's pick who'll be around 18 or so.
