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Three way:

Blazers send Batum, Mathews, Babbitt
and receive Gortat, Ridnour, Tolliver

Wolves send Williams, Ridnour, Tolliver
and receive Mathews, Batum

Suns send Gortat
and receive Williams, Babbitt


Wolves get their wings, Blazers front court becomes championship quality with depth, and Suns finally start to rebuild without giving up Nash. Their remains room to tweak this trade to make sure all are satisfied.

Gortat is not worth Derrick Williams.

Why Portland should do that?
they are one of the best team in west. why should they trade 2 youngs nice players for 2 reserve and a starting center?

I'd rather squeeze Portland out of this and trade Williams and Johnson for Gortat straight up.

williams is worth SO much more than gortat. blazers don't even get remotely close to value for this trade either

I don't know about Williams having so much more value over Gortat. But the Pole is a much better player right now and will spare us of watching Darko starting. I would just cut out Portland from the deal and ask for Gortat plus Suns protected future pick( Cassel-Jaric style). What you see of out Nash and Gortat we will continue to see with Rubio and Gortat.

you don't send the #2 overall pick who has already shown us that he's capable of being a star for a 27 year old center whos only averaging 13 and 7 while playing with steve nash

change wrote:you don't send the #2 overall pick who has already shown us that he's capable of being a star for a 27 year old center whos only averaging 13 and 7 while playing with steve nash

#2 pick is irrelevant right know. Wes Johnson is pick #4, so what? We have a player called Derrick Williams. And you have to evaluate what he can bring to the team compared to a player you can add to the team.

I don't really want to sell short on the future just to be better right now. If we're going to trade Williams, I'd like to shoot higher than Gortat.

Gortat has a cheap ETO (Early Termination Offer) in 2013-2014 which he will obviously take, so he'sreally only under contract for the next 16 months. Worse, since next season is his final season on a cheap deal, he will gain the leverage to force his way out by threatening to not re-sign.

Gortat has value, both for his skill and his contract, but if we can only get 50 games out of him, I don't think he's worth Derrick Williams.

That said, I wanted to compliment you Danimals - I've really liked what you've done on the Trade Board recently, and this was a clever improvement of the original deal, solving the problem someone mentioned that Derrick Williams is not a good position fit for POR.

Worm Guts wrote:I don't really want to sell short on the future just to be better right now. If we're going to trade Williams, I'd like to shoot higher than Gortat.

Agree. Don't mind the original trade as my goal would be to try to add the right pieces now that can develop around Rubio and Love. Williams for Gortat would be something we do when we're one piece away.

So all Phx does is trade an average center and gets the number 2 overall pick, whose potential is through the roof, and a potentially solid wing role player?

Phx would do that deal in a millisecond.


I don't like that trade for Minnesota anyways. I don't want to trade Williams this early. What if you trade Williams and Love leaves? Then you're screwed. Williams shouldn't go anywhere, unless they're sure Love is staying and unless the pieces coming back in a Williams trade involve an above average center and an above average SG.

Markieff Morris 9.2 pts, 6.2 reb, 1.3 ast, 0.7 blk, .493 FG%, .583 3P%, .800 FT% in 21.7 mpg
Derrick Williams 8.7 pts, 4.6 reb, 0.6 ast, 0.4 blk, .437 FG%, .346 3P%, .593 FT% in 21.3 mpg

Why would the Suns trade Gortat for Williams when they have Morris?

gaspar wrote:Markieff Morris 9.2 pts, 6.2 reb, 1.3 ast, 0.7 blk, .493 FG%, .583 3P%, .800 FT% in 21.7 mpg
Derrick Williams 8.7 pts, 4.6 reb, 0.6 ast, 0.4 blk, .437 FG%, .346 3P%, .593 FT% in 21.3 mpg

Why would the Suns trade Gortat for Williams when they have Morris?

Come on

Here is a reworked three way:

Wolves send Williams, Ridnour, Tolliver, and Pekovic
and receive Batum, Dudley, and Camby

Suns send Gortat, and Dudley
and receive Williams, Pekovic, and Babbitt

Blazers send Batum, Camby, and Babbitt
and receive Gortat, Ridnour, and Tolliver

Wolves solidify the wings. Camby is most likely bought out, as he hates moving. Blazers move a starter, a rotation player, and a benchwarmer for a starter and two rotation players. Sun begin rebuilding without giving up Nash, who probably ends up making Pekovic look like Gortat on offense and turns Williams into a ROY candidate.

Thoughts?

HELL NO. Wolves get absolutely raped

Danimals wrote:Here is a reworked three way:

Wolves send Williams, Ridnour, Tolliver, and Pekovic
and receive Batum, Dudley, and Camby

Suns send Gortat, and Dudley
and receive Williams, Pekovic, and Babbitt

Blazers send Batum, Camby, and Babbitt
and receive Gortat, Ridnour, and Tolliver

Wolves solidify the wings. Camby is most likely bought out, as he hates moving. Blazers move a starter, a rotation player, and a benchwarmer for a starter and two rotation players. Sun begin rebuilding without giving up Nash, who probably ends up making Pekovic look like Gortat on offense and turns Williams into a ROY candidate.

Thoughts?

First deal was better for the Wolves.

Williams, Johnson, Pekovic, Ridnour, Utah 1st, Memphis 1st, Tolliver
for
Gortat, Matthews, Batum

Would be ideal.

That deal makes no sense for the Wolves. If Phoenix gets Williams, we should get Gortat... I'd rather keep Williams though.

This package;
Williams, Johnson, Pekovic, Ridnour, Utah 1st, Memphis 1st, Tolliver

would probably get us Howard and Redick...