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I saw this on the trade board, and thought I'd bring it over. I could see why both teams may say yes, or say no.

Ayatollah wrote:What about...

MIN GETS: Monta Ellis, Dorell Wright, Andris Biedrins
GSW GETS: Michael Beasley, Wes Johnson, Brad Miller, Luke Ridnour, Nikola Pekovic

The Warriors won´t go for the post this season, therefore, with this deal they could send two big long-term deals to Minnesota while they aquire two expirings and two talented players with solid contracts...
The T´wolves aquire a perfect slasher and scorer on the SG in Ellis who´ll fit perfectly to Rubio, especially on the D. The Wolves receive a Center who´s better than Darko Milicic and a solid SF in Dorell Wright too though while they keep their 1st Rd Picks...

GSW: Curry, Johnson, Beasley, Lee, Udoh (Ridnour, Robinson, Rush, Pekovic, Brown)
MIN: Rubio, Ellis, Wright, Love, Biedrins (Barea, Ellington, Webster, Williams, Milicic)

Now, it's tempting for the Wolves to jump on this to add the #6 nba scorer (Ellis), to the #5 (Love). It doesn't cost us Derrick Williams, the rebuilding piece many GSW fans would want. On the other hand, Biedrins is a contract nightmare.

Consider this. For the next three years Monta will get $11/mil constant, and Biedrins $9 mil constant.

That means, the package of Monta + Biedrins will get $20 + $20 + $20 = $60 mil over three years. Does the production of that package make it worthwhile?

I like Monta as a player, but I have serious questions about his size on defense, and his ability to play with the ball not in his hands. GSW fans say he can do it, but that's just not what they normally do.

Still, there are no pieces here that MIN would be crushed to lose, and we'd probably be able to find a use for Dorrell Wright as well.

No GSW fans have signed off on this trade so far, or knocked it .. it just was posted. Many have maintained that they would trade Monta, but only if they got a good building piece (hence the desire for Derrick Williams). However, moving this much salary is another useful tool for a team ready to tank and rebuild.

We only unload our dead weight players here so it's a know brainer for me. Yes, we take on lots of money obligations but we can afford it. It's not like it puts us in luxury penalty. Biedrins will expire by the time we have to extend Rubio. Ellis is like Ridnour on steroids so I don't tell me he can't play with Rubio.

I wonder if they'd be fine taking out Biedrins and we take out Miller (Pekovic too if need be) but add in the Memphis '13 1st?

[RCG] wrote:I wonder if they'd be fine taking out Biedrins and we take out Miller (Pekovic too if need be) but add in the Memphis '13 1st?

I'd probably take the original deal, but this might be even better. Although dropping long term salary is probably a major attraction for GSW here.

We desperately need a wing scorer that can create his own shots and drive to the hoop. I would do this deal easily even if it means taking on Biedrins.

Biedrins sucks but he's a serviceable backup C. I don't think he's completely unmovable either so we might not be stuck with him for years.

[RCG] wrote:I wonder if they'd be fine taking out Biedrins and we take out Miller (Pekovic too if need be) but add in the Memphis '13 1st?

If so, they'd be foolish. They'd be buying the MEM pick for $18 mil - whatever production Biedrins could provide.

I'm in love with this trade and I would do this without hesitation, even if we have to take Biedrins.

Dorrell is like Martell Webster, so we have the backup SG and backup SF version of the same player, but Rubio would love to play with those two on his wings since they are pretty good 3pt shooters.

FYI - Dorell is shooting 28% from the 3pt line this season and 37% FG overall in just a shade under 30mpg, i don't know what's up with that.

The main course, of course, is Monta Ellis. He is what I like to call, a 'creative scorer' in the sense that some of his shot's may be unorthodox, but he has found new ways to score to basket with his size and athleticism, an example of that being his one-foot fadeaway floater or his crazy spin move into the paint, which I haven't seen him use as much in the 3 warrior games i've seen this year:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxv-aRtVY1U[/youtube]

Like I said, I would do this trade in a heartbeat, we would finally have someone who can create their own shot, especially in late-game situations and Adelman wouldn't have to worry about Rubio not having another ball handler on the floor since Monta handles the ball just like a PG. He would fill a need in SG and also a need in creating his own offense when we go on those scoring droughts we've seem to be going on lately.

Hard for me to make up my mind on this one. We give up a lot of our flexibility. I'm not sure what to make out of a Rubio-Ellis back court. On the other hand, we get to keep our best trading asset in Williams and could still use him to add another difference maker to the team.

I honestly wouldn't know what to do about this one.

Good trade.

Hard for me to make up my mind on this one. We give up a lot of our flexibility. I'm not sure what to make out of a Rubio-Ellis back court. On the other hand, we get to keep our best trading asset in Williams and could still use him to add another difference maker to the team.

I honestly wouldn't know what to do about this one.

Good trade.

Going for the high score doctor?

Going for the high score doctor?

shrink wrote:Now, it's tempting for the Wolves to jump on this to add the #6 nba scorer (Ellis), to the #5 (Love). It doesn't cost us Derrick Williams, the rebuilding piece many GSW fans would want. On the other hand, Biedrins is a contract nightmare.

Consider this. For the next three years Monta will get $11/mil constant, and Biedrins $9 mil constant.

That means, the package of Monta + Biedrins will get $20 + $20 + $20 = $60 mil over three years. Does the production of that package make it worthwhile?

I like Monta as a player, but I have serious questions about his size on defense, and his ability to play with the ball not in his hands. GSW fans say he can do it, but that's just not what they normally do.

Still, there are no pieces here that MIN would be crushed to lose, and we'd probably be able to find a use for Dorrell Wright as well.

No GSW fans have signed off on this trade so far, or knocked it .. it just was posted. Many have maintained that they would trade Monta, but only if they got a good building piece (hence the desire for Derrick Williams). However, moving this much salary is another useful tool for a team ready to tank and rebuild.

Yes, I do this one too. Combine with a NOH salary dump of Okafor and TWolves would have 4 legit starters in Rubio/Ellis/Love/Okafor, several decent contract role players coming out of mix of Barea/Lee/Ellington/Webster/Wright/Tolliver/Darko, plus DWill7/acquired 1st round picks to further improve team down the road. The biggest potential cost is cap flexibility but I haven't checked the numbers -- did you check what the cap would look like going out next couple years?

Krapinsky wrote:Hard for me to make up my mind on this one. We give up a lot of our flexibility. I'm not sure what to make out of a Rubio-Ellis back court. On the other hand, we get to keep our best trading asset in Williams and could still use him to add another difference maker to the team.

I honestly wouldn't know what to do about this one.

Good trade.

Yeah - that's my take as well. If I can't decide, I think the poster has put it right on the ledge, and made an interesting trade.

GSW posters insist that they would have to have Derrick Williams though.

theGreatRC wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxv-aRtVY1U[/youtube]

Monta Ellis alone would make us a playoff team right now. He scores 24+ ppg and gives up maybe 5 more than our current rotation does at worst. That would mean like twice the scoring output from the SG position while the defense doesn't suffer that much.

I don't think Monta is the ideal SG for us but he's a heck of a lot better than what we have.

Plus Monta would still have positive value if we wanted to make a move (like needed a contract to package Williams with down the line - same for Beidrins whose contract becomes less of an albatross every year until he becomes expiring.

I'd do this trade - 100%.

Why would GS do that? They already have a better backup PG than Ridnour in Robinson. Ellis is their franchise player and one of the 5 best SG in the league. I could understand the change from Wright to Beas, but giving up Biedrins with Kwame out? We all know how much of an injury-free guy Pek is...

I am 100% sure that they could get MUCH better offers for Monta Ellis. And no need to say that they don't need Love having a guy like Lee who might be less "rebounder", but who's a proven great secondary player, being Monta and Curry the leaders of the team.

I would like to get Monta Ellis, but we have absolutely no assets to lure GSW.

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On the trade board the GSW fans want picks. I think offering 2 picks and some additional cap relief was the basis but I could be wrong.

yowyOw wrote:Why would GS do that? They already have a better backup PG than Ridnour in Robinson. Ellis is their franchise player and one of the 5 best SG in the league. I could understand the change from Wright to Beas, but giving up Biedrins with Kwame out? We all know how much of an injury-free guy Pek is...

I am 100% sure that they could get MUCH better offers for Monta Ellis. And no need to say that they don't need Love having a guy like Lee who might be less "rebounder", but who's a proven great secondary player, being Monta and Curry the leaders of the team.

I would like to get Monta Ellis, but we have absolutely no assets to lure GSW.

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I know the common theme around here lately is hating on Luke but Nate is not better than him. Nate is an overrated chucker who can't run an offense and his athleticism is only useful in dunk contests.

As far as the trade is concerned I would do it. Biedrins is a defensive center who scores more efficiently than Darko, he's a 60% field goal shooter for his career plus he's a actually a good rebounder. Not to mention it'd be nice having another ball handling and shot creator at SG.

When I look at GS I see a team that really should be able to compete when healthy. That is, if Udoh can continue to develop and be a solid starting defensive center. They do need to dump Biedrens salary and for Wright to return to last year's form. Dunno why they want to blow it up right now, unless they think Monta is holding the team back somehow either with his ball dominance or defense, or if they have lost confidence in their current guys staying healthy longterm.