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Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:05 am**

I think it's about that time where we start to have gripes with our head coach, even if it is the wise and all powerful Adelman.

1. Minute distribution - I know we are very injured right now, but our guys are gassed and I refuse to believe that throwing AR15, Pek, Darko, Williams, or Wes out there for an extra 5 minutes to give Love and Rubes a break would cost us any games we weren't going to lose anyway.
Besides, running Love (And Rubio) into the ground this early is ominous. I just don't like it.

2. Infatuation with hustle guys - I hate Tolliver. I used to love him as a 10th man or fill-in guy if the other bench guys weren't producing. Now, the guys just needs to sit down. Tolly is the #1 reason we are getting out-rebounded in games, with Kevin Love being gassed as the #2 reason. I know Darko/Pek/Randolph aren't much of an upgrade, but they are a decent enough upgrade...and Derrick Williams is by and large an upgrade.

3. The drawn out "evaluation process" excuse. It just doesn't take this long to know Rubio helps us win games and should start, get some decent breaks, and finish the game. Also, how can you say he's trying to figure out who works well together when he plays the same lineups all the time? It may have been the correct move to wait, but I'm still going to question it.
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Issues aside, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. Adelman is the guy I've wanted here since Casey left (besides George Karl). I would've loved to get Casey back, but I knew that wouldn't happen.

Since I brought up Casey, look at this:

F Andrea Bargnani missed his second straight game Saturday due to a strained left calf muscle, and much has been made about a perceived heavier workload that may have caused it. Not actually true. Bargnani did play 45 minutes Monday against Minnesota, but it was the only time in seven games he'd been over 38. He followed that 45-minute night by playing just 29 in Washington, a season low. Even with supposed heavy workload, he's averaging just 35.2 minutes per game this season, which is lower -- marginally -- than his 2011-12 average.
(Yahoo! Sports)

Why can't Adelman figure this out?

Adelman has done many things right so far, and I'm happy he is here, but I'm having some doubts that could really cause us problems down the line.

I know YoungGuns will have my back. The rest of you, Flame on! :onfire:

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:30 am**

In that game Bargnani played 29 minutes in, the Raps gone BLOWN OUT by the Wizards. That might be the only game the Wizards win all year.

Unfortunately we've played in a lot of close games. When you have that, you're going to see your stars play longer minutes. After 11 games I really think that's all there is to it.

It's not an Adelman thing to play his best players that much. Look at the minute distribution for the Rockets last year. Lowry was the high at 34, followed by Martin and Scola at 32.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/ ... 1/Averages

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:38 am**

http://www.82games.com/1112/11MIN8.HTM#onoff

Tolliver isn't just a hustle guy. The Wolves have this weird tendency to outscore the other team when he's on the floor.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:50 am**

Narf wrote:http://www.82games.com/1112/11MIN8.HTM#onoff

Tolliver isn't just a hustle guy. The Wolves have this weird tendency to outscore the other team when he's on the floor.

I agree he helps us offensively by spreading the floor as compared to alternative options, but I would attribute a lot of ^ to extended playing time with Rubio more than anything. If you look at the break down of the rotations, all but 16 of his minutes have been with Rubio on the floor.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:07 am**

Krapinsky wrote:
Narf wrote:http://www.82games.com/1112/11MIN8.HTM#onoff

Tolliver isn't just a hustle guy. The Wolves have this weird tendency to outscore the other team when he's on the floor.

I agree he helps us offensively by spreading the floor as compared to alternative options, but I would attribute a lot of ^ to extended playing time with Rubio more than anything. If you look at the break down of the rotations, all but 16 of his minutes have been with Rubio on the floor.

Good call. That'll help your +/-.
Still, he's clearly not hurting us. I think Williams will take more of his minutes once he gets more consistent. And considering Tolliver's age I don't have a problem keeping him around for 5 years as a core bench player.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:13 am**

Are we seriously doing this?

12 games into a lockout shortened season where the new coach did not even get a full pre-season or training camp to work with the guys?

Even I gave Rambis a full season before I called for his head.

My god.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:17 am**

I think I'll trust the HOF coach over a random rube.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:26 am**

Breakdown777 wrote:2. Infatuation with hustle guys - I hate Tolliver. I used to love him as a 10th man or fill-in guy if the other bench guys weren't producing. Now, the guys just needs to sit down. Tolly is the #1 reason we are getting out-rebounded in games, with Kevin Love being gassed as the #2 reason. I know Darko/Pek/Randolph aren't much of an upgrade, but they are a decent enough upgrade...and Derrick Williams is by and large an upgrade.

3. The drawn out "evaluation process" excuse. It just doesn't take this long to know Rubio helps us win games and should start, get some decent breaks, and finish the game. Also, how can you say he's trying to figure out who works well together when he plays the same lineups all the time? It may have been the correct move to wait, but I'm still going to question it.

We have 10 healthy guys. Tolliver is one of two who can play SF right now. Would you rather Wes get 48 minutes?

Rubio is both starting and finishing games. I don't get this beef.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:36 am**

I don't see how any of these games are Adelman's fault. The team is injured and he's had to play guys more minutes than they normally would get. Not to mention so many people on this team are slow getting his offensive scheme. Adelman is an amazing coach and has been successful almost everywhere he has been. Just because we are 4-8 doesn't mean it's on Adelman. Coaches get blamed too much and receive too much credit depending how the team is performing.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:38 am**

I would love to get a steak with Adelman.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:47 am**

I love how high and tight he has his arms crossed on the introduction screen. lol. Makes me laugh every time.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:56 am**

I just rewatched the last 16 minutes of the game. Love didn't even look gassed. The problem was we couldn't score against the zone, which took away our pick n' roll action. The Hawks began double teaming Love within the zone and it was obvious he's not used to that. He couldn't sense the double teams coming, wasn't finding the open and man and was forcing his offense.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:30 am**

I think he's great. I'm sure things would be different if Beasley, Barrea, Webster, Miller and Lee were healthy, but they aren't. He doesn't have anything to work with right now, running a 21 year old, and 23 year old around for a few extra minutes isn't much to gripe about.
I would have liked to see Williams more in the last game, but I don't know whats going on with the bench, I'm not going to pretend I do. I'm sure he has his reasons, and I'm sure they are good.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:22 pm**

Pek needs to start with Ellington who can made some shots.

Rubio-Ellington-D Williams-Love-Pekovic for the moment.

In the future:

Rubio-Barea-Webster-Beasley-Love.

Ridnour-Ellington-D Will-AR-Pekovic off the bench.

And D-League for Wes Johson and Darko..sounds better.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:06 pm**

Vindicater wrote:Are we seriously doing this?

12 games into a lockout shortened season where the new coach did not even get a full pre-season or training camp to work with the guys?

Even I gave Rambis a full season before I called for his head.

My god.

Agree ... usually I can just pass by and not comment on topics like this, but oof da, this takes the cake. We'd be better served on this board if we had a thread called "got the cheese - bring the whine"

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:15 pm**

Dewey wrote:We'd be better served on this board if we had a thread called "got the cheese - bring the whine"

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1092870

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:28 pm**

Klomp wrote:
Dewey wrote:We'd be better served on this board if we had a thread called "got the cheese - bring the whine"

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1092870

yep ... saw that back in February. Kinda my point. :dontknow:

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:33 pm**

RA is by far best coach this franchise has ever had...he might be building endurance in some players or who knows what is object of some actions...RA is heads and heals above most coaches for sure.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:41 pm**

I don't want to get accused of playing the "Adelman is HOF and you're a rube that lives in your parents basement" card again, but I think at the very least, Adelman deserves a little benefit of the doubt when it comes to some of this stuff so early in his tenure. He's had control of the team for what, 6 weeks now?

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:11 pm**

Some guys missed the triangle offense

Minnesota has lost all of the clutch games. It is a young team though. Do not forget that his team averaged the most turnovers last season as well as the worst 4th quarter field goal percentage. So there is much things to change.

I will agree though with the first two points of the initial post. Better rotation adjustment could win some games and we could see less Toliver. He is a hard working and smart guy but he is no threat... 27% 3 points 36% field goals...

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